Lone ranger fixation with no killing made me going mad. I was expecting that moment when he finally wakes up of the stupidity, but after he stroke Tonto to save Cavendish from getting killed, it was like %#$=*#&%!!!!!
I know this is a kids' movie, but if Cavendish was able to kill John's brother, even eating his heart, why it is not "justice" to kill him? Killing a bad guy is saving good guys lives.
Because killing people is never righteous. To be a hero you need to take a moral stand. If you start killing people, then you're no longer a hero; you're no better than the villains.
Might be never righteous, but it's efficient and practical. I stopped watching the movie there, but let's assume Cavendish handled to escape from John and Tonto and then killed 10 more people, can we conclude killing Cavendish would have saved those 10 lives? Yes, that is right.
shareSo the ends justify the means?
shareThat would be going too far. I would just say if someone is a criminal and there are significant witnesses and proves against him / her, it should be practical to end the criminal's life for the good of innocent people.
sharethe hero doesnt kill because it is bad. because the hero is better than that.
Yet in EVERY single freaking super hero movie the villain ends up magically dying by some other force.
the day is saved, the hero doesn't have to worry about the villain anymore, everything is perfect (until the next villain comes up in the next movie and it is ALSO killed in the sequel
Look at spiderman and batman franchises.
The whole no kill in hero movies is so ridiculous when the villain dies anyway.
Batman in The Dull Knight trilogy kills. Hell, he even murders. Nolanites live in denial about it since in The Dull Knight Rests he whines about not killing.
shareevery single movie ends with the death of one of the villains... Thats why people online make fun of Nolan's batman that he is legit mentally challenged
shareHey! what a great idea! Let's go full practical then! Kill all the poors! Boom! No more poverty! Yay!
shareExactly....do do do do do do do do.....
shareYou don't have to be too smart to realize there is huge difference between a random poor guy and someone who you witnessed killing your brother and friends with no reasons, then eating his heart while he was still alive; later on, the same guy kidnapped your sister on law and your nephew, and you also learned he would kill other innocent people indiscriminately.
Let's be good boys and don't kill that cancer when we have the chance. The family, friends and relatives of his future innocent victims will surely understand our morale beliefs.
what do you think planned parenthood is? DUHHHH
shareThe classic Lone Ranger had a no-kill policy going back to the 1930s.
He was about bringing criminals to justice. Not killing. Many superheroes have a similar policy.
Thanks for the information. Yes, I remember when I was a kid super heroes would never kill the villains unless it was an accident. TBH, I don't know if writers would do that to overextend a plot and keep a story wellspring always available, or to actually teach morale to the children.
The problem with Lone Ranger is that there is a huge catarsis imbalance and I had no patience to find out whether it was resolve or not. The moment when John stroke Tonto, I got done with the moralistic cliché.
Anyhow, based on your comment, I'll put my Justice League lents and helmet, and try to watch this movie again.
The last 20 minutes are really good.
shareWhat the hell is a "catarsis imbalance"?🐭
shareI like others heard the initial terrible reviews of this movie. I also am old enough to remember the TV Lone Ranger series. Although the TV Lone Ranger was campy and unrealistic there was something about the Masked man, Tonto, Silver, Scout and the situations that was captivating. The silver bullet endings and the William Tell overture cemented it all together.
To make a full length feature film from this I knew would be very difficult in view of the past failures of Lone Ranger movies and the uniqueness of the TV series. Then I saw the trailers and I was convinced that they botched another attempt at recreating tales from yesteryear. Furthermore I am not a big fan of Johnny Depp because his characters are usually too bizarre to grasp, and that bird headgear sealed the deal for me. What a joke.
But then one night I stumbled across the movie playing pay per view. I had nothing else better to do so I decided to watch it and see just how bad it was. The first few minutes of the movie confirmed my suspicions and that kid with the cowboy outfit was so cute he was sickening...but Tonto was at least a little interesting until they decided to rob the bank...Not right, Kemosabe.
I was about to cancel it out but I decided just to watch for the CGI. And then the mystical white horse showed and I acknowledged thet they got that part better than the original. And "Tonto's" one liners, "you call me a savage?"
Then it dawned on me that this story was being told and embellished by an old Indian to a little boy. After all it is a legend. That explains why the Lone Ranger was kind of a dork.
And then Silver jumps from the roof through the flames...a fiery horse...maybe this isn't that bad after all...and then I got the reason for the bird headgear and the Tonto backstory.
The tongue in cheek comedy began cracking me up and suddenly the story began to flow and got me engrossed. This isn't so bad. Its campy and unrealistic but so was the original...its just that Arnie Hammer isn't the Lone Ranger I knew...but he was getting better...And that horse, there is clearly something wrong with that horse.
Then Tonto gets Armie to wear the mask again...and that crazy horse...then Hi yo Silver...the crescendo of William Tell...trains crashing, bridges blowing, galloping through train cars and into tunnels and bad guys getting their comeuppance...and the end credit scene through Monument Valley.
I realized I really liked this movie, a lot. And I liked Johnny Depp and that stupid bird...and the old Indians' gift to the little kid. Who was that Masked Man? Cue the music...
Gronsk do you mind me asking how old you are and what country you are from? A/S/L?
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