For the record. I really enjoyed "Lion King 3-D." Thought it was a great experience like this mentions --
http://moviecriticassassins.com/essays/sundance-the-muppets-and-the-os cars-get-reality-checks/
I see what it means. "Muppets" could have probably handled the whole controversy by being entertaining about it -- as opposed to partisan. Box office would have been higher, I agree there.
shareThey a are actually wrong about the lion king 3d beating the muppets. All of lion kings showings where in 3d and the muppets was all 2d so if you knock off the ticket price inflation the muppets beats the lion king easily.
shareActually no they weren't. You're forgetting the large screen advantage "Muppets" had over "Lion King 3D" (well over 1000 + screens)... Like the article says
That's a huge advantage that "Muppets" should have won on easily. A lot of Lion King's showings were also shown 2 D also, I remember.
There were showings of Lion King 3D in 2D?
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MCA just recycled this absurd idea from Big Hollywood. There's not a shred of proof that calling the villain 'Tex Richman' caused one person to stay away from the film. The idea that thousands or tens of thousands of families refused to go see the film in protest against media outlets calling out Fox Business on a silly segment (where this whole thing begin) is a complete fantasy.
If The Muppets took a hit at the box office - and its worth remembering that this took more in its first two days than the last film made in its entire run - then it was because of the crowded opening weekend. Tex Richman had nothing to do with it.
(and I won't even bother to go into how stupid it is to compare the Oscars to the Superbowl, another idea that originated on BH).
**and its worth remembering that this took more in its first two days than the last film made in its entire run**
Worth remembering??? Oh please. Muppets in Space was a colossal flop. Whereas The Muppets is also a flop - just not as "colossally". You're merely splitting hairs.
Production budget of $45 Million.
World Wide gross as of this time $147 Million (with some major markets still to open).
Then factor in DVD/Blu Ray sales.
And then the merchandise.
The only unknown factor is the marketing cost but even if it equalled the production budget the film is still heading for the green (no pun intended).
Not doubt it would have made more without so much competetion (Hugo, Arthur Christmas, Puss in Boots) but it showed there was still life in the franchise.
Don't forget that it also opened against Twilight... ::Gags.::
"Nothing is true. Everything is permitted." -The Creed
Reality check indeed. It says something when a 17 year old 2D films beats the pants off a brand new movie, even if it does star "talking socks".
For the record for those of you still delusional about this: The Muppets is a box-office disappointment. Period.
It's a blog by an opinionated white right winged nut job. Please check your sources before you try to pass them of as important. Talking about importance do you know the Fox news ratings!!? Look it up and tell me again that their opinions are relevant....
shareUm...ratings-wise, Fox News kicks the butt of every other cable news source out there. It's done that for years. It's number one. YOU need to do some research.
shareI think you missed the article's point. It's talking about how it could have reached a wider audience (like "Lion King 3D) but NOT engaging in a partisan fight with Fox News. Hence, the "reality check."
shareYeah, the sequel might be in the dumps. Seems weird, announcement here and there that its going forward then another saying people are dropping out...
I would be shocked if Disney did the sequel.
Yeah, figured that. Now reading articles where its "Well we WANT to do a sequel." Even the cast isn't even figured out yet. Sequel could be a long way off.
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Oh stop, there's no "controversy." The general public couldn't care less about the character Tex Richman. That didn't hurt the film at all. And yes, the movie was hit, stop saying it wasn't. Did I expect it to make more? Sure. But again, you're talking about reviving an old franchise that hasn't done well it's last few outings, plus today's generation of kids don't know it, plus it was up against a lot of competition from other family films.
I don't get the "A 17 year old movie beat it out, that's that good." Well, yeah, it's the Lion King! Everybody knows it, everyone knows how good it is. Plus it opened in September. Like it was said, today's kids don't know the Muppets. But after the success of this film, and DVD sales/rentals, they will...which should spark the sequel just fine.
Yes, STAZZ, all true.
And to those who say the cast doesn't want to return it's because they actually don't want to. They have said they loved the movie but it's obvious the franchise isn't based on returning human characters, it's about the muppets.
If Segel returned it would seem like it was his movies.
I admit, excitement isn't really high for a sequel. I have to think some damage to the franchise during this whole affair.
shareWhat affair? You're making more of an issue than anyone really cares or knows about
shareIt's very high, film has made 158 million plus all the bank on merchandise and won an Oscar and you think people give a **** about a little jab at Fox News, roundly considered to be a cesspool worthy of many more jabs? No, they don't.
zider is a lying pro-Uwe Boll douchebag - Note that.
I remember when Kermit appeared on COLBERT REPORT, and trying to get Kermit to discuss politics didn't seem necessary, almost like a strange joke. But I never really cared about the "contoversy".
http://www.freewebs.com/demonictoys/
That was just last week, it was a straight, objective analysis of where the primary is heading with no political subtext as only Kermit could give it, the references to the old show made me giggle.
zider is a lying pro-Uwe Boll douchebag - Note that.
158 isn't that impressive worldwide. I mean, we're talking about "The Muppets" which could have been huge. Instead, the results look pretty good, not great.
Seriously, family fare like "Lorax" "Rio" and so on have easily passed that mark. Not that difficult with family fare.
Again, you're comparing cartoons to a franchise that was dead for almost 20 years that no kids today know. Now that the film is a hit and acclaimed by both critics and audiences, the sequel will most likely do better as long as it is good.
sharewe're talking about "The Muppets" which could have been huge.
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Um, yeah, it's huge for The Muppets. It's the biggest Muppet movie since the original.
Biggest "Muppets" since the original, true. But man, could have been one of the biggest films of the year!!!
shareSecond that. Reading around there's not a real rush on the sequel.
Seriously, get back to Mr. Henson's roots with the characters, that's what everyone wants to see. Not political bickering.
I'll actually be watching the film (next week it appears) so I'll be able to comment more directly.
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