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So basically the protagonist in this is a retard?


He admits that when joining the US army as a grunt the recruiter lied about his IQ just to reach his target quota and get him in! At least bourne, from my recollection, was an army officer when ge volunteered for treadmill and was quite intelligent?

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Do you just go around on message boards stating facts?

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I thought it was a rather poor story point.

Simply increasing someone's intelligence would not be anywhere near enough to produce an intellectually superior 'agent' since with his limited intelligence prior to 'upgrading' he would not have built a sufficient knowledge base to use his abilities in the real world. It would be like (on the intellectual side) expecting an extremely intelligent six year old to be able to operate as a fully trained agent.

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Actually a person with lower intelligence would need to rely on and develop other aspects of his brain. So he'd probably make a superior agent. For example a person with lower intelligence would need to be more patient, humble, emotionally controlled and perceptive than someone with higher intelligence.

Admittedly he would have less knowledge to draw from but he isn't a scientist, he's just an agent. He's supposed to operate in the normal world not the academic world.

Also he'd still have his memories which he would be able to analyze. In addition, he'd have 'fresh eyes' when he views the world and how it operates, which I think would increase his ability to perceive things.

Remember as kids we are born into believing all manner of fairytales. Religion for example is one such fairytale the majority of people can never escape inspite of their adult intelligence. Aaron Cross wouldn't suffer from that disadvantage.

One aspect of this in the film is Aaron Crosses curiosity, something the other agents have lost. And an asset that saves his life. (when he doesn't dismiss that sound he hears)

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"For example a person with lower intelligence would need to be more patient, humble, emotionally controlled and perceptive than someone with higher intelligence. "

Why? In my experience it actually seems like quite the opposite. You think that in general people with a lower intelligence are more perceptive and emotionally controlled?

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He said 12 points higher. Not huge unless it is with discussing iq

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Just watched it for the second time and it was IQ.

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@gb901 ...volunteered for treadmill...
*Treadstone

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At least bourne, from my recollection, was an army officer when ge volunteered for treadmill and was quite intelligent?

You're right. When he (Jason Bourne) was first ushered into the Treadstone training facility they called him Captain Webb (his real name was revealed to be David Webb).

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This kept bugging me trough the movie. He was afraid that when off the pills he would basically become stupid.
Plus he was addicted and needed them badly, but still.

I wish they put more depth in the pills.
I wish that they did more than just improve his intelligence. And that maybe there was bigger consequences when not taking the pills in time. - I kept convincing myself that there was more to it, but naah.

This is not me hating on the movie, just a thought.

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You all seem to be missing something... the recruiter lied 12 puts higher just to get him in military service... the pill gave him an unknown increase. He valued that increase not only for the benefit, but to avoid the deterioration going off meds, and... also felt it necessary to keep his edge in the fight against those who were trying to stop them, permanently... a fight for who knows how long.
Plus... they did not just augment him physically and mentally...he was put through a training and conditioning program, honing his skills and reactions, etc. You're too literal.

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From the interviews it actually does sound like he was retarded. But it appears his good character got him in the military anyway. An iq less than 60, so the meds practically doubled his intelligence, an incredible feat. The meds must have been much less effective on already intelligence individuals, which makes alot of sense.

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This is fundamental to the plot.
And is an excellent inversion of the Bourne origin story.
Bourne couldn't remember who he was, and was driven to find out.
In contrast #5 (Renner) remembered exactly who he was, and is now intelligent enough to never want to go back there, as he says when explaining ti ti Weisz - "It's a hell of a long way to fall".
But he also explains that they were warned graphically of the consequences of withdrawal of their meds during the program training, this was never fully articulated for viewers but it was clearly not as simple as "you'll just go back to how you were", it was clearly sufficiently disturbing to establish a complete psychological dependence on the medications and a fundamental fear of the prospect of withdrawal such that it was considered unthinkable.
And finally, do you remember the bit where he was joining the dots about being seriously "when I nearly died" ill when viralling off the physical meds the previous year... remember, he could have died...
It's all covered in the movie.
Maybe the OP was taking a bathroom break and missed these scenes...

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It didn't just improve his intelligence.

She explains this when explaining what the two different pills do.

One was physical effecting the body and the other effected the brain. It's clear that it was not just potential intelligence. I think you forgot their entire conversation in the car.

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This makes for a compelling protagonist with understandable motives. If I had the chance to experience what it would be like to have my intellect doubled, I doubt I'd ever want to go back to the way I was, and I'm unremarkable either way as far as smarts are concerned. Imagine how it would be for a guy who is actually retarded (can we use that word?) I don't blame him.

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