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Is the ending spiritually correct?


In the end Oscar is reincarnated as a baby which signifies him entering the void. I'm not so literate on eastern spirituality but here's the problem. The void is another term for Nirvana, oneness with the Universe, oneness with God etc. In Buddhism and Hinduism, you achieve this when you've broken from the cycle of reincarnation as explained in the beginning of the film...so Oscar didn't enter the void since he was just reincarnated again.

Okay so while I'm on the subject I might as well look into the deeper meanings of the ending. After Oscars death his soul searches to be reincarnated because he still has his earthly attachments which are mainly his Sister and drugs and the usual stuff hence he is reincarnated. This goes against the idea of entering the void.

The only way I see it working is that becoming a new born baby is a form of enlightenment because babies are more aware of their connection with the Universe?

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not exactly

http://www.vulture.com/2010/09/gaspar_noe_on_why_enter_the_vo.html


How did you go about making up rules for this world? For example, there seem to be certain ways that his spirit can pass from one place to another in the film.
This was hard to figure out how to represent. His mental trip is structured according to the Tibetan Book of the Dead, which is what he’s reading when he gets shot. And there it says there are two first lights that come to you, very bright lights. After that, there are other color lights that come to you, and these are like different gates that can take your soul somewhere else. I didn’t know how to represent them. It took some time to find the right kind of imagery for those vortex scenes.

How about the ending? Are you willing to explain it at all?

There’s one thing about the ending that I want to say. I didn’t want to show the sister giving birth, but the mother. He hasn’t been reborn as someone else or something like that. We’re just not sure if he’s just starting the loop of his life again, or if it’s maybe just his first memory, like maybe the strongest memory of his life is the moment he came into the world. I don’t believe in telling people you can suffer this life because you’re rewarded in a future life. It’s like telling people that you’ll go to paradise and meet virgins. Why don’t you just tell people that they’re dead? You come, you see, and you go. That’s also why the title came at the end, “Void.” His life is not a void, but it’s kind of a maze. There’s nothing beyond it. Or, maybe there’s something beyond, but your soul isn’t part of it. It’s funny how much the lie of a life after life works with people. Even people who are non-believers seem to think that their soul is going to survive.


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Even people who are non-believers seem to think that their soul is going to survive.


I don't see how that works. Believing in the soul is being a believer. The idea of soul is a byproduct of the faith in gods and in the existence of an immaterial world beyond the world we can perceive with our senses. Non-belief is the opposite.

Just saying. Often filmmakers and artists are completely irrational and/or don't rally know what they are talking about.


People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs

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In an interview excerpted on Wikipedia, Noe says that there is no reincarnation in the film -- the film, following Oscar being shot, is nothing more than one big hallucination Oscar endures as he is dying.

_Richard

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I like the answer because I have been wondering whether Oscar deliberately made the choice to be reincarnated or he simply "got sucked in" unwittingly when he came too close to the vortex of the mating action.

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I thought that, too, there is uncertainty about whether he is reincarnating or hallucinating, and whether he is choosing where to float during the course of the movie or whether he is a victim of chance here.

For a Buddhist, most of what we see and hear are products of our minds' tendency to grasp at our desires. A Buddhist will train to let go of the desires which tether our minds, because we know these are the main cause of suffering in the world. There is much suffering in the film, all resulting from Oscars desires, for drugs and escape, for his sister, his English friends jealousy, Oscar's memory of his parents and ties to the world. Oscar seems to resist saying farewell to life, because he grasps at his worldly desires - his friend, his love for his sister and his promise to her in particular.

Everything we perceive is in our heads, so there is no difference between ordinary life, dreams, drug hallucinations and desire filled day-dreams. Films know this, they are useful is demonstrating that our perception can be easily fooled, drugs too show that the mind is susceptible to mis-direction. Whatever is happening to Oscar is in his head anyway, whether it's a real view of the afterlife or near-death hallucination. The void, or nibbana, exists only when we have trained our minds to fully acknowledge the lies and mis-perceptions bouncing around our heads. Poor Oscar and his sister seem a long way from this. Their bad choices will affect the world for some time. Another theme is Buddhism and in this film, is the interconnectedness of all things. The scenes in the Love Hotel show lovers connected through sex - a real connection, not mis-perception, because it is about the sacred creation of new life. Also, bad decisions (caused by desire-fuelled misperceptions) affect those around us, illustrated by Oscars decision to deal drugs and the English lads jealousy-fuelled decision to call the police.

Buddha also famously said "if you meet Buddha on the road, kill him", meaning Buddhism is not a doctrine to accept unquestionably - you should enquire for yourself whether the principles of the philosophy are good or not, and how you should apply them. This allows it to evolve. I'm a Buddhist but I don't believe reincarnation actually takes place in a physical sense - I believe we leave shades of ourself when we die, ideas, memories, guidance for our children, grandchildren and others who know us. We leave these parts of us behind in the 'real world', but these again, like our perception of the world, only exist in people's heads. Our choice is whether we want to leave good things (which reduce suffering) or bad ideas/memes (grasping concepts which increase suffering). In this way, the world will evolve towards Nirvana as more and more people leave healthy, untethered thoughts behind to spread throughout the world.

All of this is apparent in Enter The Void and I can read the final scene not as a physical reincarnation, but Oscar's realisation that some part of him continues in his nephew, for better or worse. When we realise this, we can let go of our desire to escape death. As I say, Oscar is a long way from this enlightenment, but so are most of us, and we have this great film, and other stories and parables to learn from.

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The title "Enter the Void" could mean many things; trying to enter the (spiritual) void; entering the club Void which led to his death; or the temptation to enter the spiritual void and his resistance to it, which led to him being reincarnated as his own nephew. The title is meant to be arbitrary, it's not like "I did enter the void".

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Nicely put. Agreed.

People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs

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