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freaking Stormfront!

posted 4 years ago by exatera (3966)
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And I thought I hated A-Train... He is a mewling baby compared to her!

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

She is the best thing in the series. She is more powerful than the other supes, who can stop her?

[–] exatera (3966) 4 years ago

Well, she is more evil than the rest of them combined, and more dangerous than any of the super terrorists, so...

I'll definitely be glad to see her gone. I think someone like her will finally make the Seven an actual team. They'll have to team up against her.

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

I think the one that absorbs lightening may be the key to beating her. Forget her name now.

[–] exatera (3966) 4 years ago

Starlight

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Yeah she may be the key to beating Stormfront.

[–] exatera (3966) 4 years ago

Well, I still don't see how Stormfront is more powerful than Homelander.

[–] papamihel (1616) 4 years ago

Evil? This is not a standard DC\Marvel superhero lineup. There is no battle between good and evil.
Supes in the series are our celebs. And Stormfront is a classic officially woke but secretly racist Hollywood liberal type - they are everywhere now.

[–] exatera (3966) 4 years ago

Sadistic, has complete disregard for human life - yes, I'll stick with evil. I don't think any of the other supes (that we've been introduced to, that is) have ever killed purely for fun, so yeah...

And honestly, papamihel, it's not like after season one I could have possibly thought that this show was about good and evil, so you are not conveying any new information here.

Also, according to The Boys Wiki Stormfront is a Nazi.

[–] exatera (3966) 4 years ago

And btw, Homelander saved Madelyn Stillwell's baby.

You know Stormfront would have just totally let it blow up.

[–] gbu (585) 4 years ago

Super Villian!.... :D

[–] exatera (3966) 4 years ago

"Super villain" somehow sounds a lot more benign to me, so I'll stick with super terrorist. 😄

[–] gbu (585) 4 years ago

Homelander will not be pleased with your choice :P

[–] exatera (3966) 4 years ago

Aww, that poor baby...

Seriously, what is it that that guy and MILK?

[–] naDaht (1087) 4 years ago

Oedipus Complex, a.k.a. mommy issues.

[–] linuxlad (996) 4 years ago

I agree, compared to all the other supers and terrorists, stormfront is the most evil on the highest level. Everyone else had reasons, purposes, and motives behind their actions and at worst (negligence and/or indifference), but she enjoys murdering anyone and everyone for the fun of it. Based on her "powers and abilities", homelander alone will probably not be able to put her down, so yea, this is going to either take multiple opponents or exploitation of a weakness.

[–] exatera (3966) 4 years ago

Why wouldn't he [be able to], though? Homelander could easily laser her in half like he does everyone else.

[–] linuxlad (996) 4 years ago

Because that is one of her powers/abilities:

Superhuman Durability: Stormfront is able to withstand a blast from Homelander's deadly eye lasers.

[–] exatera (3966) 4 years ago

Ah, I didn't see that.

Yes, in that case my initial guess was correct, that they'd have to do it as a team.

[–] linuxlad (996) 4 years ago

Exactly!, or exploit a weakness in her 'powers/abilities'

[–] exatera (3966) 4 years ago

I am thinking that's precisely the reason "Gus Fring" put her on The Seven - Homelander has gotten too out of control, and she is the only one who doesn't have to be afraid of him.

[–] exatera (3966) 4 years ago

Oh my god, it's so much worse than I even thought!

Somehow I doubt that Mr. Edgar knows her true history...

[–] linuxlad (996) 4 years ago

Yeap, she is much older than she looks and apparently maintained some anonymity to hide her identity all those years. It appears that Homelander's laser vision may cause her some major damage after all.

[–] Goliard (1456) 4 years ago

This is the second time I've seen someone claim this. Where are you getting this info from? Because it's not supported by the source material, and makes no sense, given the events of episode 4. . .

[–] exatera (3966) 4 years ago

I already answered you, but fine, here it is again:

https://the-boys.fandom.com/wiki/Stormfront#Powers_and_Abilities

[–] Goliard (1456) 4 years ago

Ah, I see. You're getting bad info from a fandom wiki.

To repeat: that site is in No Way "official," and is inaccurate as often as not. This is the same wiki that describes Black Noir as a "superpowered ninja", "very in touch with his emotions". . .which is about as FAR from what Black Noir is, as is possible.

Getting back to Stormfront. . .consider that when Homelander threatened her w/those eyes, she QUICKLY kowtowed. Clearly, she doesn't want any parts of a physical conflict w/him.

[–] linuxlad (996) 4 years ago

The wiki describes one of SF's abilities to be durable enough to withstand HL's eye laser.

All sources and graphic novels came prior to the tv-series, therefore, if the writers of the tv-series decide to make her vulnerable to HL's laser vision, it does not make the wiki inaccurate or wrong.

Most screen adaptations based on graphic novels often deviate the 'powers/limitations' to a certain degree from the original source material including some differences in personality, behavior, clothing, etc.

Not every one is a fanatic "true fan" expecting screen adaptions to be exactly the same as the source material.

[–] Goliard (1456) 4 years ago

???
Make up your mind. Why are you citing (erroneous) sources about her being invulnerable. . .then digging at "true fans" who want adherence to the source?

Bottom line: the wiki is NOT a reliable source. And it seems as though you haven't read the comics, either, as Stormfront isn't invulnerable in those, either. There *is* no other source you can point to, that indicates such. It's just not so.

Finally, to repeat: Stormfront is CLEARLY afraid of getting lasered by Homelander. Don't know why you continue to argue the point.

[–] linuxlad (996) 4 years ago

Make up your mind. Why are you citing (erroneous) sources about her being invulnerable. . .then digging at "true fans" who want adherence to the source?

As I also mentioned, there will not always have accuracy nor exactness from source graphic novels to screen adaptations especially since SF's gender was changed from male in the graphic novels to female in the tv-series.
In the GN, he channels his electricity through his mouth where as the tv-series female version does it through her hands. The GN stormfront was a member of the super-team "payback" and never a member of the seven as in the tv-series.

Bottom line: the wiki is NOT a reliable source. And it seems as though you haven't read the comics, either, as Stormfront isn't invulnerable in those, either. There *is* no other source you can point to, that indicates such. It's just not so.

The SF male version from the GN was actually the second most powerful super behind HL. The DNA from SF was used to create HL/noir (clones).

Finally, to repeat: Stormfront is CLEARLY afraid of getting lasered by Homelander. Don't know why you continue to argue the point.

As I have already mentioned, if the writers of the tv-series decide to make her vulnerable to the eye laser it does not make the wiki erroneous or inaccurate since they describe her to be durable enough to withstand HL's eye lasers.

[–] Goliard (1456) 4 years ago

I get what you're saying. . .there is already deviation from the original story, and this will likely continue. I actually like (most of) the changes they made so far; Stormfront as female creates some interesting possibilities.
And since they clearly don't intend to hew exactly to the original books, sure: it's possible she can withstand HL's eyebeams. All I'm saying is that so far, we have seen NO indication of such. . .in fact, the only thing we've seen so far indicates the Opposite: she was clearly intimidated when he amped his eyes up.
And referring to "all sources" continues to be puzzling. . .the only real source is the books, and that version DEFINITELY wasn't invulnerable. If you remember, a swift kick to the jewels is what eventually took him down!

I'll repeat: the wiki that's been quoted is a *fansite*. NOT a valid source. I've already pointed out several other fundamental errors they've posted. No idea what other "all sources" you're referring to.

[–] linuxlad (996) 4 years ago

The SF from the graphic novels and the tv-series are very different in several aspects, that wiki page is referencing the "tv-series" version, so if you refer to them as inaccurate and erroneous compared to the GN, then yes, however, the wiki and fandoms that refer to the female tv version are making her durable enough to withstand laser blasts from HL, we just don't know yet her level of durability.

Yes, she was intimidated by his laser eyes, yet she antagonized and provoked him with words and pictures several times with little or no concern to repercussions by HL. To me, that shows that she is confident enough about her 'powers/abilities' to withstand and/or possibly survive a one-to-one fight, then again, psychopathic sociopaths are not known to be concerned about consequences and repercussions.

By the way, almost all sites about graphic novel characters are fan made with the exception of Wikipedia which does not make them any less valid.

According to Wikipedia: the male comic book version of SF:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Boys_characters#Stormfront

"Stormfront was one of the most powerful superhumans next to Homelander and Black Noir. He possessed superhuman strength, durability, flight, and the ability to exhale what appeared to be lightning bolts from his mouth."

The same superhuman durability that allows him to withstand a laser blast from HL.

[–] Goliard (1456) 4 years ago

"Yes, she was intimidated by his laser eyes, yet she antagonized and provoked him with words and pictures several times with little or no concern to repercussions by HL putting her down."
Nah. She antagonized him UNTIL he flashed those eyes at her. Then she (Quickly!) backed down.

"By the way, almost all sites about graphic novel characters are fan made with the exception of Wikipedia which does not make them any less valid."
Of course it does. There are fan sites, then there are Official sites the creators/publishers create. Fan sites are, for the umpteenth time, NOT a canonical source. They're (usually) opinion-driven. And To Repeat: *this* fan site in particular is demonstrably wrong about other characters. (Noir amongst others; w/o going into spoilers). So it simply is Not a source of proof for Anything.

"The same superhuman durability that allows him to withstand a laser blast from HL."
Why do you continue to say things like this? THAT NEVER HAPPENED. Have you even read the comics, or are you quoting from those (erroneous) fansites? THEY NEVER FOUGHT. The comics Stormfront was killed by the Boys. . .Butcher took his teeth out w/a *crowbar*, for g-d's sake. Then the rest of them essentially stomped him to death. Stormfront is simply NOT nearly as invulnerable as you keep claiming!

[–] linuxlad (996) 4 years ago

Yes I read them, however, the fan sites are describing her 'powers/abilities, not the male version from the GN, which does not make them inaccurate or erroneous to the tv-version.

I'm not claiming it, that information is simply from the fan sites which are more dedicated than the "official sites". The official sites are for the source material only (GN), while fan sites are for both GN and tv adaptations.

The tv version of SF is obviously more durable than the one from the GN which is one of several differences from the GN male version. The fan sites are simply noting all the apparent differences regardless of how they were in the GN.

Bottom line is the writers of the show made several differences between the GN and the tv-series, especially the gender change. Why should the fan sites be at fault for notating and describing these differences. I do not disprove of them and I do not find them inaccurate nor erroneous just because they are not the same as the GN version, and I do not expect them to be the same.

Since this is the case there is no point in referencing any "official" or "canonical" websites since they are only able to 'confirm/verify' the 'information/versions' for the GN and have "nothing" to do with the tv series and the 'changes/deviations' made by the writers of the tv-show, hence, which is whey there are several dedicated fan sites for this purpose.

[–] Goliard (1456) 4 years ago

Good grief. . .

You keep referencing those sites in trying to "prove" something about this show. I'm running out of ways to explain to you how that simply doesn't make sense. Try this:

*I'm* a fan of the show. Tomorrow, I'm gonna create a fansite. In the bio for Frenchie, I'm gonna put that he's a transgender ex-major league pitcher for the Astros, who got kicked off the team for leaving gum under the dugout seats one time too many.

Is that now "official," "confirmed" info, that anyone can quote as true? (Hint: NO)

To say that there's no point in referencing an "official" website is similarly ridiculous. If Amazon decides to get Kripke, Rogen and Robinson to put together a dedicated site, with all the relevant info: guess what? THAT'S OFFICIAL. And that's the ONLY one that would be official. Failing that, all we have to go on is what's on-screen, or what Amazon chooses to tell us. Dunno why that's so hard to understand. . .

[–] linuxlad (996) 4 years ago

Read my explanation below

[–] linuxlad (996) 4 years ago

Here you go, this is the reason why all the 'wikis/fandoms' fanmade websites describe that stormfront is able to withstand a blast from Homelander's deadly eye lasers.

As you can see at 1:30, she was already hit once in the chest by HL's eye laser and she is taunting him for a second shot at her tits. The first shot obviously burned her chest but obviously not enough to incapacitate or kill her.

https://vimeo.com/458002254

[–] Goliard (1456) 4 years ago

Uh huh. I remember this, from the trailer(s). Like I said; these two are on their way to developing a really twisted relationship (yikes).

Doesn't mean he can't hurt her. . .just means he wasn't trying to, in that scene. Out of context, there's really no way to tell what's going on. . .but it certainly looks as twisted as the source material. . .

[–] linuxlad (996) 4 years ago

Never the less, she is able to withstand his lasers as described by those "fan sites".
Yes, he definitely can hurt her and even kill her, however, she can hurt him as well.

BTW; about Black Noir:

The "superwowered ninja" is a perfectly subjective description of what I have seen so far from the series 'regardless of the source'.
As far as "been in touch with his emotions", this is also subjectively apparent and obvious based on his emotional reactions on the tv-series 'regardless of the source'.

So yea, nothing erroneous or inaccurate about any of it, it was simply how the writers of the show wrote these characters and they chose not to be one-hundred percent source-canonical about them.

You seem to be faulting these sites because they are not been canonical to the source (your preference) when they are been thorough and accurately subjective to the tv series when describing their attributes in powers, abilities, and personalities.

[–] Goliard (1456) 4 years ago

"Never the less, she is able to withstand his lasers as described by those "fansites"."
NO. She is able to withstand what he's doing. . .you do NOT know whether she can withstand them if he's really trying to hurt her. CONTEXT. In this case, specifically his overt concern/attempts NOT to hurt her, and then proceeding reluctantly. Hardly an indication that he's hitting her full-force; the implication is clearly the opposite.

"Yes, he definitely can hurt her and even kill her, however, she can hurt him as well."
Why on earth you say things like this is beyond me. There's NO indication she can hurt him. Nothing we've seen so far; nothing she's demonstrated, nothing.

"BTW; about Black Noir:
The "superwowered ninja" is a perfectly subjective description of what I have seen so far from the series 'regardless of the source'."
Unless they throw a SERIOUS curveball at us, "superpowered ninja" is a complete distortion. I doubt they'll change who he is that drastically; however that's besides the point I was making. My point is exactly what you said: whoever made that site basically made a guess, based on what they've seen so far. No more, no less.

"As far as "been in touch with his emotions", this is also subjectively apparent and obvious based on his emotional reactions on the tv-series 'regardless of the source'."
It's nothing of the sort. I'm still tap-dancing around spoilers, but Noir is DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED to that description. Again: whoever wrote that site saw a couple scenes and made a Completely Inaccurate, snap decision about what was going on. What's going on in Noir's head is exactly the opposite of what they're claiming; it's pivotal to the endgame of the story.

Are you sure you've read the comics? Seems like you're misremembering/ forgetting a Bunch. And Yes: I get that the show is going to depart from the source, so that doesn't need to be repeated.

[–] linuxlad (996) 4 years ago

Regardless of the context or the degree of laser force involved which are irrelevant semantecs, she was hit by his laser eyes and was able to withstand it as described by the fan sites, they did not say anything about her not been hurt by it nor his degrees of laser force which are not described or mentioned anywhere; fan sites or GN.

Of course she can hurt him, considering her level of strength and powers, not to mention that a little powerful boy knocked HL on his proverbial ass with a simple shove. Hell, she has already hurt him mentally and emotionally on a much higher level than a physical one.

The BN super-ninja, is a subjective physical attribute/description that I agree with 100-percent. This is my subjective view that I'm not comparing nor faulting to the GN.

As far as BN been in touch with his emotions; I completely agree based on his reactions on the tv series. This is also my subjective view that I'm not comparing nor faulting to the GN.

Yes I read them, but I'm not thinking about them or considering them when watching the tv-series because of the differences between the comics and the tv series (not a fanatical fan). Since the tv series is not 100 percent canonical nor official to the source, there is no point in comparing them, nor siting them, nor finding fault and inaccuracies with fan sites that so far have been thorough in describing the tv version of these characters.

Just because you are obviously opposed to fan sites and disagree with their descriptions and comparing them to the "official/canonical" versions, it does not in any way make them erroneous or inaccurate. They site both official source material and the material written for the tv series which I have found no fault or errors. You are faulting fan sites for their subjectivity which of course that is what many films and tv series are based on in several aspects and they will not always be 100 percent objective.

[–] linuxlad (996) 4 years ago

Your frenchie analogy was a complete 180 degree comparison to how those fan sites describe their tv characters, except for the name "frenchie" which was the only aspect that I can agree with. Your analogy was not even considered subjective as much as it was a 99% fabrication and false.

No, there is no point referencing official since they have nothing to do with tv series as it is the other way around, the tv series has something to do with the official eg. partially based on.