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Are the people who are posting about Howard being a hero, trolling?


Or did they legitimately watch this and completely miss all the *beep* up *beep* he did with absolutely no ambiguity?

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I like to think they're trolling, but theres so many idiots in this world and on this website its hard to figure out.

Mad Max: Fury Road > Every Other Action Film

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a person who prefers fury road to any other action movie sounds more like an idiot himself. Your opinion is worth crap

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Totally agree. Like the people who said the ending sucked. Yes, the ending was a little off but it was a good movie!

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We could've done without the molotov, but yeah the rest of the movie was solid. Also loved the shot of the big alien ship at the very end.

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People that see things differently are trolls? I think the girls was the problem, what a bitch.

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I doubt it. I don't know if I'd call him a hero exactly. But I empathized with him more than anyone else. As the story goes he didn't exactly let Emmett in and only took her for the guilt he had from hitting her. It seems to me like he would of preferred to be all alone. So essentially all he did was not in his best interest and for them and in return he just gets distrust and scheming.
I'm as skeptic as anyone but she never even tried to dig a little deeper into what she thought, she just made assumptions and acted on them.

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Howard had serious issues and was on the verge of losing it big time. He had anger issues and an ego power trip problem that was making him more of a liability. He killed Megan, and had a big vat of acid sitting around in case he needed to kill someone else. He then wanted to play house with Michelle and use her as a replacement daughter and most likely would have killed her if she didn't play along. Regardless of his first intentions he needed to go. Emmett and Michelle would have been much better off if they had just killed him. Then checked out the situation outside.

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It's funny how he was right and telling the truth about what was going on above the surface. But yeah, he was already a psycho before the shtf.

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If you empathize with a sociopath kidnapping murderer, you might want to seek some treatment!

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First of all, he may have had sociopath traits, but he was in no shape or form a true socio like that of Ted Bundy.

He freaked out about the news and clearly felt uneasy himself trying to explain what was going on to these strangers. He saved them from impending doom. If he would have just drove on without rescuing her, Michelle would be dead. So would Emmett if he hadn't let him in.

Obviously in this state there is a lot of panic going on. But he was a hero.

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People seem to be missing the part where he kidnapped and most likely killed a girl to fill the role of his daughter. So the whole kidnapping/murder was a thing of the past and he just genuinely wanted to help Michelle? No...he ran her off the road and kidnapped her. Saving her was just a coincidence.

What kind of "good samaritan" chains someone to the wall? Oh and Emmett did end up dead when Howard shot him.

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Howard was a kind and generous man who provided shelter, medical care, meals, clean drinking water, entertainment, and all the comforts of home. All he got in return was some ungrateful feminist who kept looking at him like he was crazy, and then made up some insane accusation that he killed some girl.

Then she manipulated Emmett into believing her crazy story, and together they were going to screw John Goodman over.

This is clearly a movie about a crazy girl manipulating two men, not a story about a "psycho" who kidnaps people.

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@xystophoros


This is clearly a movie about a crazy girl manipulating two men, not a story about a "psycho" who kidnaps people.



Seriously? You sound like someone projecting your own issues about women onto this flick. That's not even what it was about. It was about a woman who, after a car accident, find herself in a situation with a man who may or may not be a psycho, no matter how nice he seemed at first. And she didn't manipulate anybody into anything---she did panic over the pictures, but she was clearly uneasy about the whole situation from the get-go. In real lie, most people would have been looking at Howard like he was crazy as hell, and wanted to get the hell up out of there---they damn sure wouldn't have believed most of anything he said.

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If you empathize with a sociopath kidnapping murderer, you might want to seek some treatment!

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and only took her for the guilt he had from hitting her. It seems to me like he would of preferred to be all alone.


Did you fall asleep during the movie? You missed a big reveal that proves Howard is insane and kidnapped her.

Mad Max: Fury Road > Every Other Action Film

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I guess we're suppose to empathize with him even though he murdered that young girl too, right? 

One little Indian boy left all alone;
He went out and hanged himself and then there were none

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And see I have read some other interesting theories about which guy was the bad guy, Howard or Emmett? All we have is Emmett's words with no proof. The look he gave Michelle when she showed him the picture was downright creepy to me and I expected him to do something to her then. If he was lying, he must have been very believable, both to her and the majority of the audience.

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Which part of Howard shooting Emmett in the face in front of Michelle after threatening to dissolve them alive in acid, is ambiguous? Seriously, stop being stupid.

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They were plotting against him and he knew it. Emmett admitted (falsely) that he was making a WEAPON to use against Howard. I would have shot Emmett. Howard was a survivalist and Emmett admitted to being a direct threat to his survival.

Now, that does not change the stuff about the girl who he apparently kidnapped and killed.

I would say my memory is not what it used to be. But I don't remember what my memory used to be.

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@jpkpunch


Emmett only admitted to making a weapon to keep suspicion off Michelle, and keep Howard from snapping on her. Apparently neither one of them believed Howard was serious about the acid thing, but he still was scaring the hell out of them anyway. Howard could have just locked up Emmett somewhere else in the bunker and kept the two separate---he didn't have to do what he did to him. To say you would have shot him is stupid---that was really unnecessary. And after that, it was clear to Michelle that she needed to get the hell up out of there, like most normal people would have also tried to do. I mean, Howard already showed what horrible acts he was capable of, so hell, yeah, she understandably freaked the hell out.

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That is nice. You are very sentimental. And very dead in that world

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Your thinking too rational about a very dangerous situation. In a life or death unprecedented situation like this you cant take chances. You dont want a guy plotting to kill you sitting locked in a room eating your limited food, or burning the whole shelter down.
Its easy to back seat quarterback his decisions, but from his perspective its kill or be killed just like a cop would do. Cops kill people all the time when maybe afterwards you try to argue they should have done this or that. You make a split second decision right or wrong.

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Its easy to back seat quarterback his decisions, but from his perspective its kill or be killed


From Howard's perspective Michelle is also a "girl" and a "little princess". The dude is messed up in his head.

Howard's actions might somehow align with your own logic about the situation, but Howard is not operating from a place of sanity. After killing Emmett he says to Michelle "Now it's just you and me, like it was always meant to be." Howard killing Emmett is not primarily motivated by survival, in my opinion, it's about eliminating the competition for Michelle's affections.

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Probably 50% trolls 50% inbred morons. I mean he kidnapped and murdered a girl, but he wasnt "that bad" according to some. While I agree life is rarely completely black and white it's safe to say it was obvious Howard had a severe personality disorder and if he wasnt a sociopath he was really close.

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I'd say that many of them are just trolls (especially people who refer to Michelle as a "feminist" because apparently that's the label you give someone who doesn't like being kidnapped).

But I think that some people are simply unable to empathize with someone else's point of view.

It is true that Howard saves Michelle's life by kidnapping her. But the fact that his negative action had a positive consequence doesn't make him a hero. If you were robbed at gunpoint and the robber pistol-whipped you, and then in the course of receiving treatment for that injury it was discovered that you had an unrelated brain tumor that was then cured, well, technically you could say that the robber saved you life. But was his pistol-whipping you a "good" or "heroic" action? Of course not. It was selfish and cruel and the fact that it had an overall positive outcome is not at all connected to the perpetrator's character.

People who say that Michelle should have been more trusting or grateful are just laughable to me. Think about the world we live in. Think of the countless horrible stories about girls/women who have been kidnapped and held (sometimes for years) and endured all kinds of abuse. The man who kidnapped Jaycee Dugard also provided her with a shower, food, a room, a television, and clothing. A gilded cage is still a cage.

I think some people get caught up in the fact that Howard was right about the attack and totally overlook the fact that his motivations and intentions were not at all connected to saving people.

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