Huge Plot hole (ruins movie)
Smaug calls him "Oakenshield". However, he got the name Oakenshield after they were forced from the mountain by the dragon, and Smaug had been sleeping there ever since. How did he know about the nickname?
shareHuge Plot hole (ruins movie)We find out when the Dwarves are still at Bag End that Smaug was seen as recently as 60 years ago. Fili and Kili are both older than that and they were born in the Blue Mountains. Obviously Smaug's occupation of Erebor took place long before that; I make it out to be at least 120 years before the quest of Thorin (in Tolkien's legendarium Erebor fell to the dragon in TA 2770, more than 170 years earlier). Smaug has had time and opportunity to have heard about the Battle of Moria and Thorin's nickname.
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The dragon has been hibernating for 200 years inside the mountain, so no. No opportunity. For such an ill-informed, stupid ass response, you sure were smug about it. Better luck next time?
shareThe dragon has been hibernating for 200 years inside the mountain, so no. No opportunity.No, we are specifically told that this is not the case. We are specifically told that Smaug was active as recently as 60 years ago. And even in the book, the dragon has been in Erebor for less than 200 years (TA 2770 to 2941); here, in the films, it was probably closer to 120 years since Peter Jackson wanted Thorin to be younger.
For such an ill-informed, stupid ass response, you sure were smug about it. Better luck next time?Time to look in the mirror and eat your own words, friend. I'm not being smug, but if I was then it would be justified.
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But if we use that timeline (which you brought up), Azog wasn't mentioned until at least 2790. So once again, your Smaug smugness is unwarranted and your timeline is off by decades. Don't you ever try to outgeek me, boy.
shareBut if we use that timeline (which you brought up), Azog wasn't mentioned until at least 2790. So once again, your Smaug smugness is unwarranted and your timeline is off by decades. Don't you ever try to outgeek me, boy.Murph, I've got you out-geeked six ways from Sunday. The last time in the film-canon that Smaug would have been sighted (according to Thorin no less) would have been around the year TA 2880, long after the Battle of Moria. Your arguments just don't hold water, son. Further argument on this point will prove that you are either simply a contrarian or an idiot.
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You've done nothing but guess and speculate this entire thread. You have nothing concrete to offer, just a bunch of could'ves and would'ves. Further guesswork on your part will prove that you are obsessed with defending bad, thoughtless script writing by pulling answers out of your ass.
shareContrarian it is. You have no interest in participating in a reasoned discussion. If you can't even acknowledge Thorin's own assertion about Smaug's activities then there is no point in continuing this.
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The dragon has been hibernating for 200 years inside the mountain
My understanding it was only 60 years.
My understanding it was only 60 years.What Thorin says at Bag End in Peter Jackson's The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey is that the dragon was last sighted sixty years earlier. Fili and Kili are both older than that and they were born in the Blue Mountains after Thorin brought Durin's Folk to settle there.
In the book, Smaug attacked and occupied Erebor just over one hundred seventy years before Thorin and Company embarked on their quest. In the films, it had to be at least one hundred twenty years before the Quest of Erebor (given that this Thorin seems to be younger than his book-counterpart).
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