Christianity coming to an end....

Probably because it's getting far more liberal to the point where one really needs to question exactly what qualifies a "Christian" to begin with. That and Church attendance is decreasing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/25/us/25cnd-religion.html?_r=2&hp=&; amp;adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1204053548-dk8km+AOVgZ4oi6Vbk 62mQ
http://www.newsweek.com/id/192583
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/statistics.suggest.anglican.chur ch.of.canada.in.huge.decline/5307.htm

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all religions need to parish and we all must start having a healthy perception of reality so we can indulge on a more realistic outlook to improve the human condition.

I hear this a lot. How Religion is some sort of fantasy or delusion, and that those who do not have a Religion are able to see the world as it is, and use reason, an d think for themselves. We need Religion to die so that we can have a healthier poutlook on life base don reality. I've also been critisised for pointign out that this is itself san impossible task, and based upon polemic.


The idea that Religion is a hinderance hat rpevents us from seeing eReality is nonsense, just as it is Nonsense to describe oneself as Nonreligious. Everyone is Religious. A Religion is nothing but a Philosophical model that described our existance. Its not somehtign we can really do wihtout, and is an innate wuality of the Human species. Those hwo describe themselves as not beign Religious, such as yoruself, still in the end have a set of beleifs about the Fundamental Nature of yoru existance, from which your understandign of yoruself and the wold aroudn you emerges, and from which your moral ideology springs from. This is what Religion supplies, and there really is nothign to distinguish one setof beleifs from another aside from the actual content of what they teach.

For example, A Secular Humanist is still an adherant of a Religion. Most Secular Humanists posit Secular Humanism as an alternative to Religin, but in the end Secular Humanism addresses all the same topics that Religion addresses, and covers the same ground, and Secular Humanism fills the same Rile that Religion Fills. So in what way is it not a Religion?

Religion is not defined asbeleif in gods or supernatural Powers, its simply defined as how we see our world.

Even your claim that we need to get rid of Religion, that all Religion shoudl perish so we can develop a Healthy perception of Reality and have a more Realistic outlook on ur world is itself a Religius View, though you won't call it that and if your' liek most may even be offended that I said this.

Your not really tryign to get rid of Religion, yoru simply trygn to supplant every other Religion wiht the one you hold to.

But what I find most amusing about htis is that you stil see it as a Perception. What you beleive is a mroe realistic putlook on rhe world is in the end still just an intellectual Model, a Philosophical construct that serves as a famework in yoru mind that tells you how life shoudl be and how our existance works. It rsts on Philosophical assumptions, many of which are subjective or untestable.

Really its not Reason over Religion, its simply the adoption of a differnet outlook base don yoru own different Philosophical tenets, and startign form a different frame of refefence wiht different startign assumptions.

Its not that yoru putlook is more realistic, its just that you buy into the polemic that Religion is Fantasy and not beleivable, wholst yorus is backe dby evidence.

Of xoruse Religiosu Claims are also held by evidence, and arent all beelived wihtotu evidence, btu I doubt you'll pick up a book by a leadign Theologian to find out what I mean.

hiding behind fiction and external authorities will do nobody any good and failure to understand this will only stunt your life's pleasures and abilities to fulfill desires.

Why shudl we assume that belifs that do not align wiht yoru bleifs are Fiction? And why do you asusme Religion is simply about hidding behidn fiction and external authorities? Again, this Polemic is getting old, and I for one am very tired of it. The idea that Religiosu peopel just take whateve heir authorities tll them as Truth wihtotu Quesioning it and never think for themselves is not really a reflection fo what actually occures, just as the self-styles Freethinkers with no Feligoion usually just parrot other peopels arguments, rathe than actually thinkign for themselves or becomign informed on the topics they speak of.


This sort of Brash asusmption on yoru aprt, which in turn is rooted in acceptance of said Polemic, emans you are a Hypocrite. You have basically aepted what Authorities have told you abotu Religion and Religiou peopel withotu questionign it and not make these sorts of statements as if they are unquestionably True.

There is honesty and there is personal opinion/preference.

But presenting an opinion as a facrt as you do here is not Honesty.

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PeopleSuckPeriod,
-Your name is not fitting of a "humanist"
-Your name implies that nobody, especially you, "owes humanity a great deal."
-Your name does not imply that those people who have died under the tyrannical hand of religion ever had "so much potential."

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If you understand Quantum Mechanices basics you then may understand how somthing can come from nothing. You can't get to a time before the big bang because there was no time for a cause to have existed. Therefor there was no time for a god to create the universe before the BB.

The question, did god create the universe? Makes no sense becaues time didn't exist before the big bang.

If you presume to lecture us on quantum mechanics, spelling it properly might give you more credibility.

I've ran across this quote on the Big Bang Theory:

No reputable model yet exists that runs counter to the Big Bang model ... that stands up to the experimental tests that the Big Bang model has passed

So, basically, the Big Bang Theory is generally accepted since no other theory exists at this time to disprove it. Reminds me of the time when everyone believed the world was flat. Seems to me the last time I researched this topic, scientists believed the expansion of the universe was slowing down and would eventually stop. Now, they've discovered that distant galaxies are speeding up.

The theory of the Big Bang seems to rest on the measurements of galaxies that are moving away from us. However, I've recently read an article that claims that at least one other galaxy is moving toward us on a collision course.

Let's face it. There's quite a bit that science doesn't know or can't explain and every discovery ought to come with the disclaimer: "Science hypothesises today that..."

I don't know or haven't seen any scientific discovery that can claim it's possible to create matter and energy and time from nothing, zilch, zero.

That said, I will agree that I do not believe in a patriarchal giant deity that created the universe.

Both premises are flawed. The religious argument of First Cause--being, there had to be something in the nothing that created the universe--is a philosophical concept. As well, the scientific standpoint of a Big Bang in the absence of any other explanation is also merely a theory at this time.

It's the idea that in the beginning there was nothing, or, scientifically speaking, in the beginning there was a tiny blob of energy are both wrong.

Consciousness creates the universe and it is eternal. It never spontaneously began and it will never end. But, you say, something must have created consciousness, matter, etc. and I say no. Why does there have to be a beginning?

Everything always existed--however, to say that the universe behaves in a purely natural way is short-sighted. One must take a look at the idea of 'intelligent design' as a real possibility. The problem comes when, for lack of another explanation, society imposes a humanoid super giant all powerful male deity on this phenomenon. Some benevolent super being must be behind all creation. No.

It's highly likely that collectively all beings and all matter conspire to create the universe together.

Anything is possible.

I am a leaf on the wind - watch how I soar.

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