The reason they never made it


I've never heard of Anvil till I heard about this movie. I finally saw it and I know why Anvil didn't make it. Their songs suck. Robb is a kick ass drummer, but the songs have horrible lyrics and aren't aren't good at all. Metal on Metal is laughable and sounds like a 3rd grader wrote it.

And I don't know if the one scene was staged, but it was straight out of Spinal Tap. When they are eating at some burger place (just like Spinal Tap) they talk about their song Thumb Hang and sing a little of it. It's right out of Spinal Tap when they sing All the Way Home.

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Yep they are the dumb thrash metal bad lyrics stereotype. Are they the band the Meatmen made fun of on Rock N Roll Juggeraut?



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not "staged" per se...the answers were honest....but the venue for the interview was chosen to emulate the ST scene

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The music wasn't (isn't) bad, but yeah - the lyrics we could hear in the movie were just silly. And not clever silly.

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The guys are nice and "Metal on Metal" is a catchy tune and they are a fun band to watch.......but they aren't anywhere near as good as Metallica or Motorhead.

Its not a mystery why they didn't "make it".

I'm happy for them though and its a good movie!

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"good" is an opinion...

I love 80s Metallica...but would rather listen to Anvil over them or Motorhead

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Master of Puppets much better than Anvil

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once again...opinion

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ummmmm.....isn't the reason for the message board to give us all an opportunity to express our opinions?

Just my opinion.

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saying "X is Y" is fact

saying "I think/feel X is Y" is opinion

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I think/feel that you are a complete d bag

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OK tgallo, run along now and police all the thousands of threads on the thousands of boards on IMDB, because I have a hunch that other places, horrors! people stated an opinion without putting "I think" in front of it. Most people with two brain cells to rub together know that these are discussion boards and people are expressing opinions, but in case there are other anal people like you, go make the world safe for them and point out all those missing "I think""s. Sheesh.

You must be the change you seek in the world. -- Gandhi

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exactly---thank you

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hey...I'm expressing my opinion...just like you...why does that make me a douche bag?

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Because you're dogging me for expressing mine....opps....I think/feel you're dogging me for expressing mine (almost forgot your rule)


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you're right...I was being anal retentive....my apologies

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Now i feel bad.....sorry for calling you names

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You mean there are people out there who actually CARE about the lyrics in heavy metal music? Half the time they're indecipherable growls! Personally I think the "Metapocalypse" band Dethklok is a deliberate and terrific parody of metal bands in general, and I can't understand a word Nathan Explosion grunts.

"I hate people I don't like."
The Twelve Chairs
Newz Dawg

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When it comes to a matter of opinion - there is an implication of "I think" when someone says "this band is terrible".

Since the matter is so subjective, leaving out the statement "I think" or "in my opinion" is ok - it is obvious it is your opinion. You are stating it. And it is an opinion. Therefore, it is your opinion.

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i agree with you,the drummer is great. While i enjoyed the movie, lips lyrics are terrible, his voice just isn't good and their songs overall just aren't good. While they have a talented drummer and a guitarist who has ability i just don't think they have anything that is anything special aside from the fact that they've remained together all of these years.

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I think as goofy as they are. They would be fun to see after a few beers and to hang with after the show. I mean even bad early 80's traditional thrash like these dudes. Bad lyrics and all is better than a lot of crap out now or the past 10-12 years. Like Slipknot or the bands newer than them.Tis how I feel.


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I deeply love heavy metal in all its forms, but criticising a metal band for having bad lyrics is like criticising a porn star for being dumb. I can't think of a single metalband of any persuasion that has 'good' lyrics. If there is one, I don't want to know about it. Good lyrics in a metal song would be about as welcome as psychological depth in a Van Damme movie.

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I don't know about that. Iron Maiden has some great lyrics.

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They have some great heavy metal lyrics, but they're not exactly TS Eliot. Nor should they be! They're great in the sense that they're un-ironic and un-selfconscious, but then so are Anvil's lyrics.

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She came to me with a serpent's kiss,
As the Eye of the Sun Rose on her lips,
Moonlight catches silver tears I cry,
So we lay in the black embrace,
And the Seed is sown in a holy place
And I watched, and I waited for the dawn.

Beautiful stuff.......

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I don't know, man. That sounds an awful lot like bad teenage poetry to me. I mean, it works great in the context of the song but if one were so inclined it would be possible to be very cruel indeed about those lyrics. Not that I think anyone should - one of the things I like about Maiden is that this kind of thing is so overblown as to be beyond criticism (although let it be noted that I think the music is straight-down-the-line brilliant). But describing it as 'beautiful' seems over the top. It's about as good as anything a 17 year old with a GCSE in English Literature would write (and even then serpent's kiss, black embrace, silver tears in moonlight, are horrible cliches). The reason it works is because Bruce Dickinson has an awesome voice and he belts it out with complete and utter sincerity. It's his conviction that really sells it.

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Metallica, Black Sabbath, and Judas Priest all have produced songs with great lyrics.

How can you "deeply love" metal and say that bad lyrics are the norm for the genre?

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How can you "deeply love" metal and say that bad lyrics are the norm for the genre?


I think bad lyrics are the norm for most genres. Decent lyricists - that is to say lyricists whose words can stand up to their contemporaries in theatre, screenwriting, poetry, and novels - are pretty thin on the ground.

But, as I said before, that's very welcome. I don't really want clever lyrics in heavy metal. Take an album like Vulgar Display Of Power. Phil Anselmo's lyrics are just a torrent of ludicrous self-aggrandisation. But it's fine because that's what the album's for. It wouldn't work if each track was a heartfelt treatise in the vein of Death of a Salesman - it's primal, fist in the air howling nonsense. It's great! But lyrically, you're not really going to find anything that hits you right in the heart and makes you think "oh my god, I've been getting life wrong all this time", just in the same way that you wouldn't pick up a Saul Bellow novel and expect to freak out to killer riffs and a crazy, howling redneck.

I generally feel like 'good' lyrics get in the way of what heavy metal is good at: raw, unexamined explosions of emotion. You know. You listen to Jarvis Cocker's lyrics and you can practically hear him chuckling to himself about how f___king wry and insightful and clever he's being. Urgh. I hate that. I'd much rather listen to Hetfield singing about Cthulu, and sea monsters, regardless of how absurd it is.

The only exception I can think of to this is Clutch - who aren't really metal - where somehow Neil Fallon manages to write lyrics that are witty, literate, original and thought-provoking without coming across like a pompous jerk. But you know. For the most part, I prefer the straight-up sincerity you tend to get with metal, even though it often comes at the expense of good writing.

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OK---I see what you are trying to say.

But I think you mean that metal isn't pretentious. Being sincere in your lyrics is a good thing.

I think that the best metal bands have produced good meaningful lyrics. They do stand up to lyrics in other genres.

There are are few anti-war songs better than "War Pigs" or "One".

"Breaking the Law" by Judas Priest really gets to the root causes of crime.

Just a few examples.


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what you're doing there is picking simple popular metal bands and pitting them against the most well respected writers in history

there's tons and tons of absolute garbage in theatre, screenwriting, poetry and novels

harry potter is a much better comparison to pantera than death of a salesman

if you're gonna pick the best of literature, pit them against the best of lyrics and i think you'll find there really isn't much of a gap

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How can you "deeply love" metal and say that bad lyrics are the norm for the genre?


Easily. Lyrics are, like, the 29th-most important aspect in determining what makes for good metal.

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Drummer; world class.

Guitarist: Certainly competent (both of them).

Singer; grey area. Not the warmth of Hetfield or the extremes of Araya, but as good as Joey Belladonna any day, and Steve Souza for that matter... hey, if you wanna talk about bad singers that didn't hurt their band's careers, look at Taime Down from Faster Pussycat (!).

Bass; anyone that loyal is a perfect bassist.

Songs: As good as early Judas Priest, better than Papa Roach and Good Charlotte, not the wider melodic appeal of Metallica or Motorhead but a good companion to Black Sabbath and even early Faith no More.

Showmanship; peerless.


They didn't get famous because unlike other bands, from Twisted Sister to Slayer, they missed out on having an appeal that just about anyone could like; Anvil sound good to metal fans only. Slayer sound like pop stars compared to the raw metal of Anvil. The brit comparison would be Venom; influenced every death/black metal outfit currently going, broke up in obscurity years ago after never making a mark outside of metalhead legend. At least Anvil kept at it.

The reason they failed to 'make it' is because there aren't enough metalheads in the world, and those of us that do exist are generally too poor to buy records:)

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Thumb Hang was written before Spinal Tap was a wet dream in Rob Reiners mind. Anvil is the real deal. There concerts and new fan Base only go to show they still got the chops and make all other bands take notice. Not a Burger Joint but a well respected Deli in Toronto where Robb and Steve have been eating in for years. Watch for the upcoming Rush Doc. they film a scene in the same spot. Anvil has 13 albums to there credit,listen carefully and you will get it.

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If you can't think of one single metal band that doesn't have "good," or at least well thought out, unique, and thought-provoking lyrics, then you must be listening to some really awful, cheesy metal. Off the top of my head, I can think of about a dozen metal bands that write smarter stuff than 90 percent of musicians out there.

Silencio...

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Forged in Fire is a solid and highly enjoyable album. Metal at it's finest. <3

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Who cares about lyrics? In my view lyrics are the least important part of a song- what's most important is the instrumentation, so having awesome riffs, a groovy bassline, solid drum beat etc.

Yes, Anvil's lyrics do suck. But musically, pretty much all of their songs are great- Metal on Metal, Free as the Wind, Plenty of Power, Thumb Hang, 666, Race Against Time to name but a few all meet the criteria I listed above and are better than most of today's metal....

To the rational mind, nothing is inexplicable - only unexplained.

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Dude, there are more bands that have "made it" that sounds more terrible than Anvil, both on record and on stage. Ive listened trough their entire discography, and after what i heard they should be up there with at least Motörhead. And AnviL had major influences on bands back in the day that just were starting out as is evident in the documentary. The band didint make it because there was no one there to guide them into the spotlight, just 3 guys wanting to play music but no one to manage them. I mean, listen and compare Motörheads first album and Anvils first album. Anvil could have matured into a superband by this time given the proper management and production. Record companies didint see the potential of this band back in the day, now they are paying for it. When you have guys that are as dedicated as these guys are, there is no where the music industry couldnt have taken them. They live, breath, eat Metal. Metal IS Anvil.

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actually 4 guys....they only recently became a 3 piece during the filming of the movie

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I would have to agree with the OP, the reason Anvil did not make it into the big leagues like many of their peers, was crappy song writing. I loved the film and wish them all the best, it was a truly inspirational story (to have that level of passion after 30 year is amazing), but to my ears, the songs were just not good enough, thus the appeal to a small niche market of die hard metal heads.

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