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Every man has the right to kill to defend his property


If someone breaks into your house and threatens your family and takes your *beep* then you should have the right to kill him and no be charged in anyway. I hate how the justice system works. A burglar can break into your home, hurt himself then sue you or you can go to jail for killing someone in self defence when they started it. If i was the Police chief I would have given Porter a pat on the back not a murder charge.

Even if someone just breaks in, at the end of the day hes breaking my windows and doors that i *beep* paid for. Like he thinks he can. Im gona punish him doing it.

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Things to note, the burglar did still have his wallet when he had left the house, while that may not be murder it can lead to something disasterous (ie ID theft) so he had to be stopped, and if he caused any damage in the house he'd have to pay for it. And the only chance of that happening if he hadn't stopped him is to ID him and hope he's found, and how good are many civilians at identifying criminals under duress. That ****head chief didn't have a clue what he was saying, "stay in and dial 911".

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Things to note, the burglar did still have his wallet when he had left the house, while that may not be murder it can lead to something disasterous (ie ID theft) so he had to be stopped, and if he caused any damage in the house he'd have to pay for it.


If you had any sense after your wallet was stolen, you would cancel all the credit cards that were in it, report the driver's license as stolen, maybe issue a fraud alert to the credit bureaus. I'm not sure the possibility of identity theft, especially when the extent of the threat is known and can be actively guarded against, justifies what would otherwise be murder.

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Even if someone just breaks in, at the end of the day hes breaking my windows and doors that i *beep* paid for. Like he thinks he can. Im gona punish him doing it.


Totally man. We should have the death penalty for petty larceny too.

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The US has really good laws regarding self defense and home protection.

In Canada, it's very hard to justify self-defense. All you are supposed to do if your home is invaded is call the police and/or leave the house. If you can't do that, you have give the criminal whatever they are asking for.

Merely showing a gun to someone who has broken into your house will turn him into a victim and you a criminal. It's insane.

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Dumb redneck. The problem is you inbreds fire at anything that moves, especially when you creeps are drunk. Your judgment is not sound and if you kill someone just for trespassing, you deserve to be put away!

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he clearly did not mean to kill the guy. he clearly felt a great deal of remorse for it, reguardless of his own predicament over it.

he smung at a guy witha baseball bat. swung for a body shot, but the guy ducked, and took an unrealistic amount of damage to his head for it. even an aluminum bat wouldn't likely have killed a running man from single headshot from someone running behind him.

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That's *beep* What the *beep* do I care if he is hungry? If he breaks in my house I should be able to kill him. *beep* all that,'"what if he's starving". That's the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

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Though it's kinda redneck and whatnot, I kinda agree on a lot of levels with the notion that you can defend your property. Yeah, some people are just fricken crazy and would take that to the extreme, but the bottom line is, you'r win your house minding your business. Someone has broken in and disturbed your situation, and you don't know what their intentions might be. I think it's your right as someone who's safety and security is being invaded to make your own decision on how to handle it. You should;t have to wait and see if this guy was gonna tie you up and gag you and torture your wife in front of you before you do something.

If somebody wants to commit an act that puts them in a situation where you could interpret them as intending harm, even if they just intend theft, that shouldn't be your fault.

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**What if the man is starving and is just desperate?**

Get a job; if you can't get a job and breaking into homes is your only way of providing for yourself then what kind of life is that to live? Wade probably did that guy a favor.

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Having worked in the legal system in Texas, a person has the right to defend him/herself and/or family and/or property, if being threatened or harmed, including using excessive force, if excessive force is being used by threat. For example, if the burglar has a knife and you have a bat, that is considered equal defense. But if the burglar has a knife and you have a shotgun and blow his head off, then that's excessive force.

However, if the threat or harm goes away (e.g., burglar leaves the home, thief runs off, etc.), the threat no longer exists and thus self-defense no longer pertains. So, the fact that Porter ran after the burglar after he exited his home, could be construed as an attack and no longer self-defense.

Porter should just have let the thief run off and cancel his credit cards, bank accts, etc. Although, if he had done that, the movie would have been over in 15mins...LOL.

But, to make the movie worth watching, they had to exaggerate his conviction and sentencing.




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Oh, ultimately, your subject line is incorrect. That is what I left out on the above post....



"Apparently, he had a VERY good time!"~Warden Gad Hassan from The Mummy

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What you say is true, but what you are talking about is more of a situation where you encounter someone away from your home and feel threatened.

All bets are off if you are inside your home. I can promise you that if you kill an intruder dead inside your home in Texas (most parts anyway) you will definitely not be convicted of any crime whatsoever.

It becomes more of a grey area when the burglar flees the house. Technically I don't think you are within your rights to kill him at that point, as he is running away, even if he is on your front lawn. That's why I would let it go to trial, because in this state most juries would be reasonable about seeing how the events played out and be sympathetic to the situation.

By the way, I have no remorse for a burglar being killed in a home invasion. If someone is in my house uninvited late at night, then I can only assume that they are up to no good. I have no idea if they are just robbing the place, or if they came to rape my wife and kill everyone, and I should not have to guess.

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I agree chiselpoint.

I think the writers made an error in having the officer charge him with murder. Possibly a deliberate error for dramatic effect.

In reality it would be manslaughter at the most and probably involuntary manslaughter.

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Wow, a lot of liberal hate going on in here, but I understand. However, not all of us are like this. As a liberal, I feel we should go far to help those who turn to crime, I believe rehabilitation is possible but not aimed for enough. That being said, I own about 14 guns (most older historical models) I keep a 9mm beside my bed and if I heard my front door open at night I'd reach for it. Even though I feel for people in that position it's the right of any free man to defend himself and his property. I also want to be clear that I believe one warning without compliance=the right to use lethal force. I live in KY and I love our laws on firearms.

I also carry a .32 when I go somewhere projected to be a rougher neighbor hood. Other than then, I carry a pocket knife. I'm very serious about self defense I weigh about 120 and aside from a few maneuvers a bigger person would easily have the edge on me, I don't see defending myself as this great endeavor and normally I could probably run and get away or comply and not get hurt but I feel it's my responsibility as a man to take care of those I love.

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He didn't even need a gun, It was his own fault, for not having a cheep security system for like $50-$100 no need for att he could of bought a motion sensor, off amazon or a dog the sound of a barking dog makes someone who think of breaking in think twice, so its its his fault for not being prepared in case he gets a visit from a home invader.

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