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Oh, for crying out loud. (BBFC rating)


The BBFC (British Board of Film Certification) has given this movie a PG rating for "dangerous behavior, mild threat, mild sex references, and mild bad language."

And what are these? As far as I can tell from the article I read and the junior novelization:

The "mild sex reference" is apparently a scene where Mr. Brown disguises himself as a cleaning lady to get some historical records, and another man flirts with him. For heaven's sake, you can see that much in a Bugs Bunny cartoon! (Or the original stage musical Peter Pan, for that matter...it had a scene where Peter pulled a Bugs Bunny to distract Hook, who sang a song called "Oh, My Mysterious Lady." I think that it's been cut and replaced with the mermaid lagoon scene ever since the Cathy Rigby revival.)

The article didn't mention it, but there are also the scenes where (as I predicted) Millicent flirts with Mr. Curry to get his help (though he doesn't realize her true intentions until it's almost too late). But even that's no worse than most kids' movies would do.

And the "mild bad language"? A character (not Paddington) mutters the word "bloody." Now, granted, I know that word has worse connotations in Britain than it does here, but still, it's not as if Paddington's dropping the F-bomb right, left, and sideways! (As his co-star would. 😀)

The "mild threat," is, of course, Millicent's threat to kill and stuff Paddington, which gets pretty tense once she has him in her clutches. Now, I could see where it might be upsetting to smaller kids...but then again, they see Disney villains who are arguably as bad or worse all the time. Like Cruella DeVille, whom Millicent resembles somewhat. And one Disney villainess called out a hit on her stepdaughter because the girl was PRETTIER than her (and ordered her huntsman to cut out her heart), and another called out a hit on a young girl because she didn't get invited to a baby shower. So is it really any worse?

I get wanting to err on the side of caution. It just bugs me that this is going to give ammunition to the "they ruined Paddington!" sort of people, who might not give this a chance. (As a side note, would you believe there was actually a commenter on the Daily Mail that said "Paddington should never have been turned into a movie because he's a BOOK character and belongs in children's imaginations!" By that logic, we'd have had no Wizard of Oz!)

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(As a side note, would you believe there was actually a commenter on the Daily Mail that said "Paddington should never have been turned into a movie because he's a BOOK character and belongs in children's imaginations!" By that logic, we'd have had no Wizard of Oz!)

...And by that logic we wouldn't have had the original Paddington TV series either, which was a great love of mine as a kid...

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They really have it in for this poor little bear don't they? Shame on them.

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The BBFC are terrible, I don't know what happened to them, some very strange decisions this year. And the distributors go along with them to cut movies down.

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Yeah, and apparently this week there was also a town in Poland that banned Winnie the Pooh because he doesn't wear pants. Seriously.

I mean, what is this, "Pick on Lovable British Bear Week"?!

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There is a line in the film where the brother tells his mother that his sister wants to 'bunk up' with the boyfriend.

In my day that term meant sex. I was the only one that *beep*

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I've seen it today for myself and my goodness the BBFC how ridiculous they are. It's perfectly fine for children. Nowadays why do people feel the need to molly coddle etc!?

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I've seen it today for myself and my goodness the BBFC how ridiculous they are. It's perfectly fine for children. Nowadays why do people feel the need to molly coddle etc!?

When I first posted on this topic, I was prepared to give the BBFC the benefit of the doubt. I strongly believe in giving detailed information about a movie to parents and then leaving them to decide whether it's suitable or not. That's what a "PG" classification is for: if it had been a "12A" which actually puts restrictions on attendance it would be a different matter, but a "PG" is meant to be just about providing information for parents and guardians.

However after actually seeing the movie, I'm veering towards the "what the heck were they thinking" side. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention, but IMO the "inuendo" and "bad language" comments are non-starters (I've just checked the BBFC site, and the only use of bad language they cite is "a single mumbled use of 'bloody'." - that's it!). In the case of "mild threat", the earthquake at the beginning might be considered mildly disturbing for very young children, as might the ending where Paddington is in danger of falling into a furnace. but TBH Disney has done similar scenes in the past much more explicitly and still got away with a "U" rating.
The only one I'd give the BBFC some leeway with is "imitable behaviour". They tend to come down hard on that because they are concerned - with some justification - that the Daily Mail or similar is going to run some story about children getting injured after copying what they've seen on-screen. The irony here however is that one of the sub-plots in Paddington is the father being over-protective towards his son, with the film taking what I would call a more "Dangerous Book for Boys" attitude towards childrens' play and hobbies.

The thing is though that I've just sat through a screening in a cinema packed with young children and the all loved it, and they all trooped out happily without any signs of trauma. There were a few vocal concerns about Paddington's fate during the chase at the end, but nothing compared to what I've heard at screenings of Lady and the Tramp or WALL-E (both "U"s). The girl next to me was so small she had to sit in her mother's lap, and both of them enjoyed the film without any concerns. By comparison, when I saw the "PG" rated ParaNorman (which I also thought a very good film, BTW), there were a few children aged between 8 and 10 who did admit afterwards to finding parts of it scary. But then ParaNorman is IMO a strong "PG": Paddington isn't remotely close.
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When I first posted on this topic, I was prepared to give the BBFC the benefit of the doubt. I strongly believe in giving detailed information about a movie to parents and then leaving them to decide whether it's suitable or not. That's what a "PG" classification is for: if it had been a "12A" which actually puts restrictions on attendance it would be a different matter, but a "PG" is meant to be just about providing information for parents and guardians.

However after actually seeing the movie, I'm veering towards the "what the heck were they thinking" side. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention, but IMO the "inuendo" and "bad language" comments are non-starters (I've just checked the BBFC site, and the only use of bad language they cite is "a single mumbled use of 'bloody'." - that's it!). In the case of "mild threat", the earthquake at the beginning might be considered mildly disturbing for very young children, as might the ending where . but TBH Disney has done similar scenes in the past much more explicitly and still got away with a "U" rating.
The only one I'd give the BBFC some leeway with is "imitable behaviour". They tend to come down hard on that because they are concerned - with some justification - that the Daily Mail or similar is going to run some story about children getting injured after copying what they've seen on-screen. The irony here however is that one of the sub-plots in Paddington is the father being over-protective towards his son, with the film taking what I would call a more "Dangerous Book for Boys" attitude towards childrens' play and hobbies.

The thing is though that I've just sat through a screening in a cinema packed with young children and the all loved it, and they all trooped out happily without any signs of trauma. There were a few vocal concerns about Paddington's fate during the chase at the end, but nothing compared to what I've heard at screenings of Lady and the Tramp or WALL-E (both "U"s). The girl next to me was so small she had to sit in her mother's lap, and both of them enjoyed the film without any concerns. By comparison, when I saw the "PG" rated ParaNorman (which I also thought a very good film, BTW), there were a few children aged between 8 and 10 who did admit afterwards to finding parts of it scary. But then ParaNorman is IMO a strong "PG": Paddington isn't remotely close.
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Very detailed and couldn't agree more!

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The mild language and innuendo warnings are pretty stupid. However I can seen why the immutable behaviour thing is there, specifically to do the fridge. Harsh but understandable IMO.

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Perhaps you missed the exotic boxer reference near the beginning.  If that's not innuendo, I don't know what is. It certainly made me guffaw. Whether that justifies a PG certificate I neither know nor care. I'm too busy chuckling about the rest of the film.

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Actually I did laugh at that, but no one else in a packed cinema appeared to. The jokes in the explorer's film seemed to go over the heads of most of the (admittedly much younger) audience, although to me it seemed to be heavily inspired by "Across the Andes by Frog".

Besides: that wasn't what the BBFC were getting at. Their main concern regarding sex/innuendo was the scene with Hugh Bonneville in drag, which does rather make you wonder what they think of children going to pantomimes...
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/releases/paddington-film

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The BBFC isn't suggesting that parents don't take their children to see Paddington. People do know what to expect in pantos - the double entendres, men dressed as women, etc. The PG rating is simply making parents aware of things in the film, not advising them that it should be avoided. Regarding imitative behaviour, the fridge thing hit home to me - I remember news items decades ago about children being found dead in abandoned fridges because they'd hidden in them and couldn't get out. Obviously that was a very rare occurrence, but there were even TV ads warning people to take the doors off fridges when they threw them away. The BBFC may seem overly cautious in this instance, but I honestly don't think the rating will stop people taking their children to see the film.

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People do know what to expect in pantos - the double entendres, men dressed as women, etc. The PG rating is simply making parents aware of things in the film, not advising them that it should be avoided.

Fair point.
I agree with you re the "imitive behaviour" issue, too.

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Do you guys think the film is suitable for a 3 year old? Is there enough going on to keep her interested if she doesnt understand all the dialogue?

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Do you guys think the film is suitable for a 3 year old? Is there enough going on to keep her interested if she doesnt understand all the dialogue?

Not sure if these are intended as two separate questions.
The issues of suitability/appropriateness has already been discussed and depends largely on your feelings regrarding "threat" and "imitable behaviour".

As far as keeping a 3-year-old interested: I'd think so. Most of the audience reactions I've heard about with regards to young children have involved those around 5 years old, and they've been good. However the girl sitting next to me was younger - about 3 or so - and she enjoyed it. There was the odd question to her mother regarding plot, but she was rapt through most of it.
There are a lot of visual jokes and slapstick throughout the film, and some chases (although some of the action touches on "imitable behaviour" territory, e.g. sliding down banisters).
It's bright and colourful, and the bear is loveable (one of the nice things I noticed in the queues was young children taking their teddy bears - particularly Paddington soft toys - into the cinema with them).

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I remember news items decades ago about children being found dead in abandoned fridges because they'd hidden in them and couldn't get out.


That was because fridges in the sixties had latches which couldn't be opened from the inside.

"I know it looked like I fell... but it was all part of my plan!"

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but TBH Disney has done similar scenes in the past much more explicitly and still got away with a "U" rating.


Lest I'm mistaken, the BBFC has actually cited some of those Disney movies (most notably Toy Story 3, which was criticized by parents for having a U rating) as the reason for more recent rating decisions like this film's PG.

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The BBFC is a great organisation and they're very much right with their rating for Paddington and their description of the film's contents. Common sense prevailing should tell anyone that.

NOW TARZAN MAKE WAR!

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TBh I think the PG rating is appropriate. There were some quite dark concepts, such as the woman plotting to kill and stuff Paddington, and how he nearly falls into the furnace at the end. I think younger children might find it a bit scary.

And the brother definitely says that his sister's boyfriend wants to 'bunk up' with her, which I would definitely call a (mild) sexual suggestion.

As for the scene where Mr Brown dresses up as a woman, yes there is some sexual suggestion there, and yes it is comparable to that in a Bugs Bunny show, but I'm sure lots of Bugs Bunny cartoons are rated PG too you know...

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Oh, and also- when Nicole Kidman's character ties up the taxi driver upside down, she eventually releases him and he falls in the river. We hear a splash. So I guess that means he drowns? Pretty dark really.

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It's just plain ridiculous. The original Star Wars films were U rated and characters get their hands cut off and blown up, so is the BBFC is effectively saying that Paddington is less suitable for children than Star Wars? Is that remotely true? No. It matters to the extent that much of its target audience might overlook it now because of an over-reaction by the film censors. Let's not forget U doesn't mean "children's film", it means "Universal - suitable for all", and in this respect Paddington definitely meets that criteria.

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I say who cares what they rate it. If you feel that the content is okay for your kids, then take your kids.

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It matters because you don't know if it is okay unless you watch it first. That's the whole point of a having a classification body like the BBFC. If parents feel that the film may be unsuitable then they will just give it a miss, and that would be a shame IMO.

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I guess you do have a point. I was just thinking that these days there are many websites like commonsensemedia.org and dove.org that provide content reviews. Just for the record it is PG in the US too.

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A PG rating is perfectly justified for this.

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The fundamental lack of understanding of the nature and role of the BBFC in this thread is depressing...

"He's the angel of destruction sent to destroy cinema with his flaming sword of corpulent rubbish."

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