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My opinion about this film and all her films.


I am definitely sure that thee only reason why the mentally simpleton fans love this film. Because they actually think it has a coherency in Sasha career as pornstar. (A negative effects of watching to much of Sashas porn movie. Made you mentally deficient?). You may call me a bigot. But she should stay as a pornstar her acting is only credited by reprobates. According to peoples opionions and experts. "What she do in her porn movies. Is what shes good only at."

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I thought she was alright, not great or anything. My only complaint with this post and others like it is there's this idea that a porn star should not be an actor in a regular film. Non actors get cast in films all the time. You cannot reasonably make the argument that a porn star is less qualified than someone who has never acted before, yet nobody complains about non-actors getting cast in films. Obviously most porn actors, like most people in general, are not going to be good dramatic actors. It's not the easiest thing in the world. Gray has shown in Girlfriend Experience that she is at least decent, and if she worked at it might get better.

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Porn stars represent that people like sex and like to watch people having sex. There's a lot of misogynistic subtext to pornos, no doubt, but I daresay painting all porn stars as some kind of "scarlet lettered" outcasts who shouldn't have anything to do with the mainstream is even more unhealthy. It's the repression and negative connotations about sex in society that give rise to much of the misogyny and general deviance.

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d_m_s (Tue Apr 6 2010 04:57:29)

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I think there is a great difference between a porn star and a non professional actor appearing in films and it's not to do with ability, it's to do with what they represent.
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And what is that? To most, they just represent people whom by the way are employed and doing a job

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I don't know what other people's opinions are on why porn stars shouldn't do mainstream but I'm of the opinion that they are pretty base people, particularly the women, who just get degraded on screen for all to see. It's best they are kept away from the mainstream, I don't wish to see such deviants on the cover of Empire magazine or being paraded across a red carpet or being interviewed on day time television like they are suddenly great, respectable people just because they have done a mainstream film.
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Yeah, we should legitimize the behaviours of supposed "normal" entertainment peoples such as Paris Hilton. Nicole Richie, Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears, (shall I continue?)... of this said mainstream. I believe this is a fair representation of you're said mainstream culture that you don't wish to subject our society to. Is this some kind of joke.

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The more the media treat people like this as 'normal' then the more normal their actions become. I mean, just look at other imdb threads to see the kind of sick stuff she gets up to, it's gross and shouldn't be encouraged
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REREAD the aforementioned just in case it didn't make sense the first go round.

THEN you write:

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by d_m_s (Thu Apr 8 2010 13:06:03)

UPDATED Thu Apr 8 2010 13:23:14

Well there's possibly an interesting debate here that could potentially go on for some time!

There's a separate issue in your post, which questions the usefulness of porn in society. Now, not wanting to address that fully right now, I will however say that we are probably less sexually repressed now than we ever used to be yet porn becomes more and more grotesque and extreme, reaching what I believe to be unhealthy levels. Whether or not potential rapists find a release in this extreme on screen action and become good people through watching porn is probably a question we will never be able to answer, though I know which side of the fence I'm sitting on in respect of that hot potato. I would posit that [young] impressionable minds who buy in to this idea that women want to be treated like the women they see in porn films will likely copy what they see (monkey see monkey do) and in the long run I can only envisage negative results. But that's another issue.
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So by your accessment everybody should just like and eat only vanilla ice cream and be done with it... thats the end of your debate. Well as it would seem Sasha & I enjoy many different flavors of which may not be to your liking.

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So anyway, I don't think it's unhealthy to give porn stars a wide berth, but this thread is about Sasha Grey so I’ll try to stay on topic.

It's one thing to show off your body or even have sex for the titillation of others. But what's a normal reaction supposed to be to a girl who has cameras zoom in to her a**hole that has been stretched to triple the circumference it should naturally be, a girl who is willingly slapped about by one or more blokes for the pleasure of perverts who like to see women get mistreated, a girl who stops being a 'person' and is used like some kind of machine for sh*gging

Sure, a healthy attitude towards sex is a good thing, but what Grey does is something else.

I can't claim to have seen even half of the stuff that other posters have said she has done and to be honest, I wouldn't wish to! A negative attitude towards such a character entering mainstream media can only be a good thing, surely?
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Surely, degrading oneself hadn't done Paris any harm... however unfortunate for you that she made millions in doing so yet you are unyielding of any position on the subject. Historically the more controversial the star, the the more solidified they became in the industry thats called 'free' publicity. And in the entertainment industry thats how the game is played. This is the great truth wether you agree to it or not.

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Someone who can degrade themselves to such a degree and let the whole world see it should not be respected. They don't even have any self respect so why should we aggrandise them when they themselves work so hard to do the opposite.
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It's called publicity. And in the entertainment industry thats how the game is played. This is the great truth wether you agree to it or not. This not only goes for acting careers but for every legitimate entertainment industry.

Why do we immortalized uneducated sport figures over legitimate working class individuals. Why do we immortalize these one talent wonders and award them with praises they don't deserve? Should a baskelball player with a GED make more money and showered with more attention than an educated person with a legitimate career? For that matter, Should any sports figure make more money than any educated individual?

If you can answer these questions whilst holding your position then your well on you're way toward enlightenment.

Pornstars are people too. They deserve the same rights and privileges as everyone else, wether this suits your ideal or not!

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"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation." H. Spencer

"Because God created it, the human body can be uncovered and preserve His splendor." Pope John Paul

It's ignorance such as this that legitimizes present mainstream culture as 'normal'.

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What they represent is depravity, this is not some innocent job.

I would imagine, actually, that to most it is not just a job; that's just something you are stating to back up your own argument.

So what are you saying these are very conflicting arguements on one hand you say "this is not some innocent job" and then you imagine or suppose otherwise... so which is it? And by most to whom are you referring?

Look, I’m not going to drag the answer out to this one like I could because it would make for very long reading but:
(i)these people just represent and encourage promiscuity, which by most people’s standards is not a positive human trait that should be encouraged throughout society
(ii) They show no concern for health; their behaviour is base and reckless
(iii) There’s consistent misogyny in porn, women are treated like things, not people, they are slapped, spat on and worse.

This is what you refer to as ‘just a job’

Oh boy where do I start? You seem very ill-informed or jaded views of pornography and the individuals that star in them from the get go.

(i) They don't encourage or represent anything to individuals like you except as targets for prudence by narrowminded individuals.

(ii)Those individuals are probably healthier than your average people walking around. I don't know if you know this or not but they get medical checkups more frequently than you I would imagine unless your over 60.

(iii) This misogyny in porn, were you percieve women treated like things, not people, and where they are slapped, spat on and worse??? This must reflect your own personal prejudice because most individuals in this industry, including Sascha have much broader opinion as to what is acceptable and what is not. They don't tell people how to behave like your proporting to accomplish. If you stay out of their bedroom they'll stay out of yours. Historically only the smallest fraction ever complained about being in said industry, EVER! These are not the poor aimless individuals you make them out to be. Many have very legitmate reasons for doing what they do that you would never understand. They're just not you're cup of tea and lets leave it at that.

No, I don't think that is a fair representation actually. Besides, I didn't state that everyone in the limelight is a good person. There's enough screw ups out there already, lets not make the situation worse.

Worse??? Worse than what??? How is is worse??? There you go personalizing again! This is your own perception of how things really are, right!


No, did I suggest everyone should do the same thing? I stated that if you subject people to deviant behaviour time and time again eventually they become used to it and try to imitate it, even if it’s damaging to the wellbeing of themselves or others (think smokers/drug users who imitate their peers, or child abusers who were abused themselves). I’m sure you’re intelligent enough to know impressionable minds do what their parents/older siblings/peers do and this is the concern of deviant individuals becoming part of normal culture. If you think I’m saying something else then you missed my point, though I feel it was pretty clear.

You must be a very susceptible individual to allow such trivial criteria to influence or dictate your thoughts. Those Smokers, drug users and other abusers have a very scientific explaination for why they are the way they are and really having nothing to do with some cultural 'norms' but rather of a chemical nature. So you should really do your homework before your next rebuttal

I’m assuming you’re talking about her sex tape and since you are specifying the money she is making then for the second time you miss my point. This isn’t about damaging one’s reputation and I never stated that so don’t know why/how you’ve got on to that.

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d_m_s (Thu Apr 8 2010 13:06:03)

A negative attitude towards such a character entering mainstream media can only be a good thing, surely?

Someone who can degrade themselves to such a degree and let the whole world see it should not be respected. They don't even have any self respect so why should we aggrandise them when they themselves work so hard to do the opposite.
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Am I mistaken but you are basing this on a pretense of one's reputation and not some other elusive celebrity status. Aren't you? You've made a judgement call on Sascha's reputation in the porn industry and not because you've seen her in anything. Thats what is being stated. I guess you couldn't see past Sylvester Stallone's mainstream debut either because of his past experience even though he's influenced many kids with his "Rocky" movie. And as for damages caused by Hilton... She's spawned a whole new voyuerism industry on that tape. This is your mainstream society types flushing values down the toilet and making money. And you point again was??? influencing society, right? Eeeeee!!!!!! try again for 50 points!

You’re going on about money again and this isn't about that. Furthermore there is a BIG difference between aggrandising a sports star who's worked hard to achieve a goal, brings family friendly entertainment to people's lives and may inspire a kid to get off his butt and do something positive with his life, and aggrandising a pornstar. I can't believe you are comparing pornstars to sport stars.

Talk about missing the point. You were referring to said industry influencing society like we are all affected by movies and characters and such. Well I've given ample examples of how jaded your view apparently has become. I wasn't talking about money in either, you inferred all this, I was talking about how a superstar or celebrity is evevated to to such an extreme that any disparaging behaviors or indiscretions are still influencing society more than porn ever will. Another instance is Darrel Strawberry, who was elevated to a god-like status before his fall into addiction along with countless others. Do you think they help or harmed your argument?

You have been brainwashed by porn!

Nope! Just a more evolved individual than you. I'm apparently not as braindead as you to allow any influences to regulate or dictate my beliefs or my values. Most of the world's populus isn't influence one way or the other as to what you presume to believe. You're assuming I watch porn and wether I do or do not is really none of your business! Truth is I can take it or leave it. You're just the type of individual I'm really concerned about influencing others, if a guy like Hitler could convinced an entire country that the Jews were the bad people. I just wonder what a collection of people like you could do, now thats a frightening thought. People like you have destroyed the filmmaking industry, whats next? Personal freedoms? ...Freedom from judgment of any kind? ...just like with Women's Rights and ONLY women's rights that don't effect your fragile sensibilities. Historically fundamentalism & extremism has created more depravity and atocities in any society than pornography, movies & video games combined.

You people just stay the heck out of my personal freedoms and I'll stay out of your way.

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation." H. Spencer

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by - d_m_s on Sun Jun 6 2010 16:12:38

Oh Lord you can't cope with people disagreeing with you can you?
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I have absolutely no problem disagreeing with an individual who can construct a valid argument rather than offer subjective nonsense whereby proporting ignorance thus opposite to a valid and objective reply toward someone else's post. You chose to just argue with me, and I chose to inform you of the erring of said arguement. Then You sidestepped each successive posting with wholesale dissection of mine original argument. I will support your right to a cognitive and cohesive disagreement/argument however don't think for a minute the I will back down when I'm personally attacked for just querying of post plus the rebutted content. I'd rather be called crazy person than an ignorant fool. LATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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this post makes me sick. what is gods name is wrong with being a porn star? its only your own personal moral standard. you basically saying that you think these people should be shunned and treated like second class citizens because you disagree with there line of work(despite the fact that it hurts no one).

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I think you concentrated entirely too hard on looking up big words to make you look smart, and forgot all about sentence structure. You have no business talking about coherency.

And just to help you structure your ad hominem response, I've never seen this movie, and didn't even know who Sasha was.

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Am I then the only person in the world who liked this film without ever having previously heard of Sasha Whateverhernameis? Is she really so well known as to provide a selling point for anyone at all beyond what must be a very rare breed of porn aficionados sufficiently obsessed to watch a porn-star acting fully-clothed? I didn't even know people kept track of the names of porn actors.
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I suppose on a clear day you can see the class struggle from here.

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I didn't know about her till tonight when i saw her on entourage. Apparently she's known for anal sex.

These are some movies of mine. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/lanser87

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Apparently she's known for anal sex.

LOL.

The things one can learn through IMDB if only one takes an interest...
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I suppose on a clear day you can see the class struggle from here.

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LOL, that's how I found out about her...and even then I thought it was just in the show ya know...it wasn't until I overheard some friends talking about her that I found out she was a real porn star...then I, ahem, checked out some of her "other work" lol...

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Well I liked this film a lot and I didn't even know she was a porn star until coming onto this discussion board.

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you're right, you *are* a bigot.

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