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have you ever been Leonard?


I was really taken aback by how realistic and true-to-life this film was... I found it go be immensely believable ... I was in the Leonard-position once, about ten years ago .... It sucked so much, I don't think I'll ever forget it

this movie was terrific

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I was in this position at roughly the same time this movie came out (which made it all the more poignant and personal). I think a lot of guys have been in Leonard's shoes - good guys who want a meaningful relationship, mind you, not guys who sleep around and don't value a good woman. Like Leonard, I too had to juggle an exciting blonde who probably had no intentions on ever being serious with me with a plainer girl who would have made the perfect wife and companion. My story had a similar ending to Leonard's, and I think this is how most of these scenarios end up. Unfortunately, it seems that girls like Michelle are attracted to men who lie to them and won't treat them well; nice guys are ok as friends but when they inevitably start to have feelings for girls like Michelle, things so sour. And we often turn to the girl who we've been keeping on the side in case things don't work out (the Sandras of the world). Are guys like me and Leonard just settling for a safe life because we can't bear being hurt again? Who knows.

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Hmm. Great comments guys. I think we are all Leonard at some point in our lives.

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"Are guys like me and Leonard just settling for a safe life because we can't bear being hurt again?"

Very well said, right on the spot, in my opinion!

I am a female (kind of) Leonard, although from a different (not loving) family background. I did settle in the age of 37 when I found my (kind of) Sandra, and I married him. I left Germany and moved to the USA with him, and we are still together (now in our 10th year).

Those of you who think that love must be always bubbling and exciting and romantic etc, you are just being fooled by Hollywood's dream machine. 'Real Life' is not like that. If you keep waiting for that amazing love dream, watch out that you are not getting too old over that, while waiting.

Those who marry young and full of bubbly romantic expectations (fed by Hollywood movies??) will often wake up to reality and file for divorce.

Just happening right now in my american in-law family. Everything was so perfect: young couple marrying for love, both americans, she even converting to his version of christianity, having 2 lovely healthy children, home owners, everything seems so right - and then she has an affair and files for divorce, even twice in 3 years.

Nobody saw that coming. Everybody thought it would be me and their other son who would fail - different culture, completely different faith (not even christian, let alone catholic, and I would have NEVER converted), and not as young as typical first marriage people.

But just because I settled (sobered from all the romantic crap I was betrayed by for 37 years), just because of that fact I believe it does work. A settled relationship is more stable, because you are in it with your head. The choice of partner was made reasonably, with reason, not with a love-drunken foolish mind. That is stable, and that works.

"But the romance..." I hear you cry. Well, the romance is straining too much, and after leaping off for romance all my life, I just couldn't handle it anymore. It hurts just too much.

Because all romance will eventually turn into something else, and most of the times it is a hurtfull awakening. Because expecations are usually way too high. You want everything from your romantic super love (just like Hollywood taught you!!!???), and eventually you are taught that real life is not following Hollywod's fake rules.

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I agree with you so much, Kaufmeisterin!

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I found your post both moving and insightful, kaufmeisterin. It's an answer to what I wondered about the ending of "Two Lovers". I questioned whether the relationship between Leonard and Sandra could last. My conclusion was that I hoped it would because Sandra was such a kind and loving woman and Leonard needed someone stable in his life. I think Leonard made the right decision (though I guess it wasn't really a choice as such) and they would end up being happy together. Maybe how someone views the ending is a glass half full, glass half empty thing.

But that's what I loved about this film - no easy answers, but a reflection of real life and the compromises people make and the lessons they learn.

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Maybe not to such extremes, but I can certainly say I've felt it.

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It was sad to see a character give up what is best for him for another. No one should ever do that. Love is fleeting, always keep your eye on what is best for you. Love is something you can find when you are fine with yourself. Just sayin.

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Wasn't myself in the Leonard position. However my late hubby was bipolar, worked in a dry cleaners and his hobby was photography. True, as far as could tell didn't see other women on the side. At least I hope not. lol
He passed from an acute form of leukemia.

As Mr and Mrs Potato Head says "I'm far as I'm concerned you're all just common
tators!!!

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I discovered James Gray when I was quite young. Little Odessa was my mother's favorite movie and I've watched the James Gray films many times, except for Two Lovers that I didn't see on purpose because of my situation at the time: having "two lovers".
I've always found a personal link with the Gray films and my own personal life. Long story short:

I've hated my father for many many years. (Little Odessa)

I've lived alone with my mother until my 18's and never really had a father figure to identify to(the yard)

I found myself having to choose between a woman and my family. I still regret it nowaday. (We Own the night).
And I made peace with my father telling him that I loved him after a 15th viewing of "We own the night".

When Two Lovers came out, I could't see it. I felt I didn't have the guts to face this film. I knew I would love it, that it would move me but I didn't feel ready to be confronted to my own situation.

I was in love with two women and I lied to them both. I am not proud of that, but it was like in the movie. One was calm, loving, tender, the perfect spouse, we were planning to get engaged. The other was a bit crazy, jumpy, had psychological problems, issues with older ex boyfriends and we found ourleves somehow. Our relationship was very exciting, I felt so alive compared to the stability and serenity I was having with "Sandra". In the impulse, I chose Michelle, we somehow looked like each other in our wild crazyness.

A few months later, I discovered that I made a mistake. I called Sandra and spent the evening with her. Talking about life and stuff. I was full of guilt, wanted to tell her the whole truth, but I lacked the courage. We were like family to each other. We were at her place, had dinner and she offered me to watch a movie. Guess which movie it was... So we watched it. I was dead silent. Couldn't believe that, once again, James Gray was touching in the right spot. She finally left before the end of the film. I finished it alone. I took a bottle of rhum and drunk it all like an animal. I spent the whole night crying all the tears of my body. I have never cried like this in my whole life. Never. The next morning, she woke up and I told her EVERYTHING. I got kicked out (deserved, of course). Now I'm living with Michelle. I has been three years butwe're both very much self destructive. I guess I should have seen this movie when it came out.

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I'm always Leonard when I get into a new relationship. That's why I enjoyed this movie so much. It's very real ..unfortunately.

"Hate is baggage, life's too short to be pissed off all the time".

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I am Leonard only I was too into the one person to ever see anyone else clearly.

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Unfortunately yes. That's why I liked the movie. It is realistic, too much. But I think he made a wrong choice...

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Wonder what happened? Did you end up with Sandra or Michelle?

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