this movie is universally hated, and i've never seen it but i assume it's genuinely a terrible movie, but the reaction it usually gets proves how stunningly and embarrassingly childish your typical dragonball/z fan is. a lot of them are pretty pitiful people. just thought i would throw that out there.
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The movie has very little in common with the DRAGON BALL anime it's based on, which is the core of their anger. Aside from the Caucasian playing Goku. It's the SUPER MARIO BROS. (1993) of a new generation.
I've never read the manga, so I'm just comparing the film to the anime. I think they may have been trying to merge the PILAF and KING PICCOLO sagas, and then give it a SPIDER-MAN twist. The anime is definitely superior, but I do have a soft spot for DRAGONBALL EVOLUTION.
I was only vaguely familiar with DRAGON BALL and DRAGON BALL Z in my youth until I saw this film. I enjoyed the movie enough to track down all the anime DVDs. And while the anime is better, it wasn't enough to make me hate the film.
I guess I can see why the die hard fans are so upset, but it is pitiful of them for attacking anyone who actually enjoyed the film.
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do a lot of people actually take issue with a white guy playing Goku? because a white guy has voiced Goku in the most popular version of the show for over 15 years now.
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
do a lot of people actually take issue with a white guy playing Goku?
well hopefully they're the same people who don't like the english dubbed version of the show because that's the only way it makes sense.
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
well hopefully they're the same people who don't like the english dubbed version of the show because that's the only way it makes sense.
I don't like English dubbed, actually I don't like dub in general, and I don't have a problem with Goku being played by a white guy. Does that make sense to you?
sharethat's an odd stance to take.
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
I don't like English dubbed, actually I don't like dub in general, and I don't have a problem with Goku being played by a white guy. Does that make sense to you?
I don't like dub of any language for anime in general, because it sounds extremely awkward, and the low quality of the voice actors don't help. They mostly sound robotic and unnatural, unlike the voice actors in anime (not saying Japanese voice actors are always better than voice actors in other countries, just saying that the voice actors hired to do the dubbing are usually not very professional). And when they try to translate Japanese names into English... It's just disastrous. Although, I have seen and heard people say that there are anime that sounds very good in dub, in most cases are anime that have settings similar to Western movies, or anime that has Western names (except Attack on Titan, the dubbed version of this one is just utterly terrible).
I like it when movies/anime/live actions I watch are in its native language, especially live-action and movies, because I like it when the sound matches the environment. There are also jokes that don't translate well from one language to the other. I tried watching Hotel Transylvannia 2 dubbed in my language once, it was okay, but the whole package is just not there.
If you prefer dub, you should watch the dubbed version, if that helps you enjoy what you're watching better. Anime fan just don't like it when someone watches the dubbed version then go says "That anime looks good but it sounds like trash. It's terrible!" kinda thing. It's also true that most, but not all, anime fans like sub better.
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Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
I wouldn't mind bringing in the fact that aside from Goku not even being human, is it ever specified that this is our "Earth", and not an alternate universe or another planet all together that humans just renamed Earth. Because blowing up the moon had no side effects, and I never heard them reply to any place as a country of origin, like Japan, US, whatever. I'm just Saiyan.
shareI don't see how that proves it, the movie was literally so terrible that Akira Toriyama not only commented on how terrible it was, but he also got involved with dragon ball again (for battle of gods and onward) because of it.
sharei've seen people throw online hissy fits about this movie. they're childish about stuff in the show. ask the typical dbz fan what they think of a character like Gohan and see what kind of responses you get.
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I thought he was okay with it and even said to think of it as an alternate universe before fans got mad and he quickly jumped on the whole "I had no say, they didn't listen to any of my ideas and suggestions and the whole thing was awful" bandwagon.
shareTo answer what you said, he said to "think of it as an alternate universe" before the movie came out (basically before he even saw it). He didn't jump on a bandwagon (and most likely doesn't pay attention to that stuff), he just saw it, and thought it was terrible (the fact that he even said that says a lot XD considering Japanese customs)
shareI watched the Dragon Ball/Z series as a kid and have nostalgic attachment to the franchise but have never been fanatical about it. Didn't care about them casting a white guy as Goku either. Fanbases of many things are ridiculous being filled with nerds whose fandom is an integral part of their existence so whether criticism or misrepresentation of their beloved happens they will go crazy.
This movie certainly deserves its hate for not just being a bad representation of Dragon Ball but a horrible movie.
did you ever have a problem with the fact that a white guy voiced Goku in the English dub of the show? most of the characters were voiced by white people, in fact.
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
did you ever have a problem with the fact that a white guy voiced Goku in the English dub of the show? most of the characters were voiced by white people, in fact.
how so? white people and Asian people have very distinct vocal tones just as they have very distinct facial features.
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
How so? A White person can't look like an Asian person. How are the vocal tones different? You can't really tell somebody s race because of their voice.
Class is Pain 101. Your instructor is Casey Jones
A White person can't look like an Asian person.
How are the vocal tones different?
well you still asked how the two are different.
You should stop that last part is racist you are assuming somebody cant speak English because they are not white.
Class is Pain 101. Your instructor is Casey Jones
i'm sorry. when did i mention what language they were speaking? i'd like to know where you're getting this phantom information.
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
Its obvious thats what you are talking about
Class is Pain 101. Your instructor is Casey Jones
show me where i mentioned the language they were speaking. i'll wait. i'll wait patiently for you to quote me in the exact spot where i said a Japanese guy can't speak English.
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
You implied it in your first response
Class is Pain 101. Your instructor is Casey Jones
my first response to what? your first comment? my first response in this whole thread? are you talking about this?
white people and Asian people have very distinct vocal tones
thats the one
sharehow so? white people and Asian people have very distinct vocal tones just as they have very distinct facial features.
explain how it's racist to say people from different parts of the world speak in different accents.
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
Because Asian Americans (those of Asian decent born and raised in the United States) speak fluent English but you think that them being Asian stops them from speaking English fluently even if they are born and raised in the United States.
shareso you don't know what an accent is? is that what you're telling me?
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
So you don't know what an Asian American is? Is that what you're telling me?
sharewhat about asian americans? why are you bringing them up? i don't see how they relate to this.
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
You know exactly how Asian Americans fit into this.
shareno idea man. i was trying to talk about people from different parts of the world and you're focusing on americans with asain descent.
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
Of course I am focusing on Americans of Asian descent because they don't have accents and speak English fluently which completely debunks your nonsense.
sharewhite people and Asian people have very distinct vocal tones
people from different parts of the world speak in different accents.
show me where i said asian american in that comment.
an asian person is someone from asia. an asian american is someone from asia that moved to america or an american with asian descent.
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look at those 2 terms. you can see they are different terms. if you listen to an asian person talk and someone from the US talk you will be able to tell which one is which.
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
Nice try but the fact you also wrote "white people" in the same sentence negates the backpeddling you are trying to get away with there.
shareso white people (europeans, australians, canadians, and americans) all have the same accents as asian people (excluding the asian half of russia. you know what i mean by asian people so don't play that game)?
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
You're the one playing games. So I'll just repeat what I wrote:
By simply saying "Asian people" you are including all Asians regardless of where they are from. So that includes Asian Americans. Also, by writing simply "white people" you are also including all white people regardless of where they are from which is ridiculous because there are white people that are not born in an English speaking country and do not speak English fluently or at all.
By simply saying "Asian people" you are including all Asians regardless of where they are from.
so no proof?
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
I've highlighted the evidence several times now and you are trying to ignore it because you know that you have been exposed.
sharethe only proof you have is assumptions formed out of your own (wrong) personal interpretation of my words.
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
There is no assumption. It's simple logic. You are a dishonest person and know that you have been exposed so are trying to weasel out of it.
Sorry but it won't work. Once again:
By simply saying "Asian people" you are including all Asians regardless of where they are from. So that includes Asian Americans. Also, by writing simply "white people" you are also including all white people regardless of where they are from which is ridiculous because there are white people that are not born in an English speaking country and do not speak English fluently or at all.
Those are your assumptions based on your incorrect interpretation of my words.
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
There is no assumption. It's simple logic. You are a dishonest person and know that you have been exposed so are trying to weasel out of it.
Sorry but it won't work. Once again:
By simply saying "Asian people" you are including all Asians regardless of where they are from. So that includes Asian Americans. Also, by writing simply "white people" you are also including all white people regardless of where they are from which is ridiculous because there are white people that are not born in an English speaking country and do not speak English fluently or at all.
False. You're spamming now.
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
No. It's the truth.
shareProof?
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
Plenty of it.
shareDidn't see any.
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
You are a proven liar.
shareProof? This should be good.
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
How does it feel to be so debunked that you've reduced yourself to just continually lying?
shareYou're not ringing any bells.
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
You're not fooling anyone.
shareBad bait.
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
You're still not fooling anyone.
shareBait's getting worse. I'll have to start reporting you if you keep trying to bait me.
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
That's your own prejudice.
I never wanted to see this movie. Someone invited me to the Cinema theatre to see this and I wanted to punch him.
Years passed and it was on TV, I said what te hell, let's see if it's that terrible. OMFG.
My mother hear some weird noises I was making and thought I was feeling sick. "what's wrong" she said, "it's this stupis movie!". "What movie?". "El Dragon Ball Gringo. Guess what characters are those." My mom said "That's easy! That's Gohan and she's Videl, duh". "No, mom, he's suposed to be Goku, mom, GOKU as GOKU with a tail the one who lives in a mountain and the first woman he ever meets is Bulma! And that's Chichi!" MOM: "WHAT!! GOKU? What's Goku doing in a school??? Chichi??? What, where, how??" *mom runs away confused*.
My mom was about 60 years old when that happened. She's a great Dragon Ball fan, and she doesn't care about asian actors or caucasians... she knows Saiya-jins are ficticious. But she knows Goku's story.
Please excuse my terrible redaction, english is not my native language
ah. you're one of those embarrassingly childish dragonball superfans i referred to in my post. you have some very serious anger problems and you should see a therapist to work them out. wanting to punch someone because they invited you to see a movie is not acceptable human behavior and should be corrected.
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
As a big fan of Dragonball I didn't have a problem with the liberties they took with the characters and source material as it makes for something fresh and new if done well, its just that the film itself was executed so poorly.
sharethis is probably the best reply i'll get to my post.
Well Tony, nobody wants a war. If we can't do business why we'll just shake hands and that'll be it!
They were trying to cash in on Spider-Man which explains the decision to put Goku in high school and since they were going in that direction it would also make sense to make Chi-Chi his high school crush since she's his wife and it's an easier way of getting them together. It's not because they were giving them Gohan and Videl's storyline from the last season of DBZ.
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