Anyone questioning the ending just read this! SPOILERS


So this is the conclusion I've come to after reading many posts and watching the final ten minutes a couple of times. What I've written is a bit all over the place but it's everything that helps my point.

I don't believe that Herzog killed off Nick Cages character at the end. In my opinion the ending was not a dream. For those of you who do believe that he died on the couch you have brought up some interesting points and a solid possibility but unfortunately you're just trying to find something more to the ending which isn't there. I also think that the ending being a reality is the stronger ending of the two possibilities.

Granted everything did fall into place extremely suspiciously at the station, but he did place the crackpipe in xzibits hands with the intent to frame him before he "died" on the couch. And the bookie clearly had no problem bringing the gambling matters to his desk. And what happened with the douchebag with the important dad was realistic. To send some thugs with guns after cages character and have them come up missing would make many people think twice about messing with him. Maybe not though, but to me it's much more likely than him dying on a couch and one tiny line of blow being the cause of death after he survived so much harder stuff.

To me the possibility (I can't say fact because I am not Werner Herzog, who is the only one who can really settle this) that everything seemingly turned out okay being the reality is more disturbing to me because you want to see a bad man like Cages character get what he deserves, like Harvey Keitels cop in the original. But Werner said this was no remake and I believe he wanted Cages character to live to show that sometimes bad people get away with doing bad things.

Also you would think if Herzog wanted Cages character to die on the couch he might have put some emphasis on him falling asleep and maybe stop moving instead of on the tv showing the football player sit out. Watch it again and you can see that there is no indication of any possibility that Cages character is about to die. We aren't even sure he fell asleep because although it shows him drifting off in the eyes a bit, his head doesn't fully stop moving around. The music continues through the scene change, which becomes a shot of cages character driving to work the next day. I believe Herzog just wanted to show that Cages character had been through enough and was finally able to sleep.

A line of blow that small to a guy that deep into his drug addiction is like a cigarette to someone ten years into a 2 pack a day smoking habit. It isn't gonna help none, but it wouldn't have killed him yet either. Even if it were "pure." look at the true to life portrayal of George Jung by Johnny Depp in "Blow", he was sniffing nothing but the purest and he got into it heavy. You build up a tolerance and even pure stuff can be handled in moderation.
Also, just on a sidenote it isn't cocaine which keeps you from sleeping when you sniff it, it's the cut. Cocoa plantation workers chew it but that's to stop hunger not to stay awake.
So if Herzog wanted to imply even in the slightest that Cages character might die on the couch, give him a hollywood 8-ball sized rail! He did just survive smoking two crack rocks of the same stuff so...cmon, he didn't die.

The same sort of scenario as earlier in the movie then happens later on when he "may be dead" and is outside the same nightclub with an extremely similar couple. At first after reading the theories that he died on the couch I thought maybe he did die and was just thinking about the original situation and couldn't remember exact details so his mind placed different faces and a different luxury car there. But no, there's nothing that requires that much of my thought in this film. It was just to show that he's still doing the same thing as always, even though his girlfriend is clean and pregnant he can't escape the temptations of corruption.

It didn't show him having sex with the chick in the second couple and I liked that, because however the second scenario would have went down it could only have been equally as bad as the extreme worst case scenario with the first couple, although we know he got some blow out of it because we see him next in a hotel room about to partake.

I think that the only thing Herzog did in the film to possibly inspire a second look with an open mind or some analyzing of something being deeper than first appeared was having the same guy from jail at the start of the movie reappear at the end as a respectable member of society who then takes Cages character to the aquarium. Obviously there was the significance of the water the last time the two characters were together. To me that ending scene said that the guy from jail, who was the sole reason that Cages character STARTED taking drugs to begin with (if he hadn't of been in the cell then Cages character wouldn't have had to jump into the water, therefore never permanently damaging his back) was also maybe the only or best person to STOP him from taking drugs as well. Possibly by making him realize better than any medals or ranking that by saving the mans life he was a hero.

I'm sure I'm forgetting some points, but the bottom line is that people who think the end was a dream and nick cages character dies on the couch are looking too much into finding an ending with a conscience that they would prefer. The reality, which is that everything that happened at the end was a reality ( ridiculous to have to explain yes ) is just far more likely. Also I should point out that if it turns out that Werner Herzog did intend to have cages character die on the couch, I wouldn't mind. It'd be a decent ending as well. Any thoughts?

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Great explanation and argument for the ending being real. I really like the points you bring up. I'm still going to sit in my dream sequence boat though. But, like I pointed out before, it's stuff like this that makes this movie so brilliant. Everyone can watch the same movie, but see different stuff. Love it. I will use some of your points when people ask me about the ending being straight forward.

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You know dude, fact is that this applies to all things in life. Two people looking will always see something different. The point is that some observations make sense while others don't. And especially those governed by prejudice, wishful thinking or plain stupidity usually don't.

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Thanks for clearing up a few things. I got really tired of the film about 90 min. into it -just not into that much corruption -and fast forwarded it to almost the end. I wasn't sure if he was dead or not. You know how some films end with a dream sequence (Once Upon A Time In New York) and you are never sure what the heck is going on. Thanks again! I agree -I think this was Cage's best role ever.

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Next time you feel like watching a "once upon", try and get yourself a better one than "in New York".

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If the ending was reality, then Herzog went way outside of reality to make that ending come true. That's why so many people have trouble buying it- usually, in real life, sh!t don't show up as flowers overnight. But what you're saying makes sense, and me and my hubby debated back and forth over it, so bravo to the filmmakers for at least inspiring dialogue

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It's obvious Herzog meant for the film to end on a high note and redemptive tone for Terrence, which no doubt the great majority felt empathy for.

But I agree that him dying on the couch is just as likely. And if read in that fashion, the film would be a tragedy and incredibly cynical.

But keep in mind the whole film is very dream like and fantastic, so the happy ending with everything falling into place is expected and almost ironic. The film was way to funny to suddenly turn into a somber tragedy.

It's obvious some rich brat son wouldn't mess with a police lieutenant who just made 3 dangerous hardened criminals who worked for his father disappear. Over what? a lousy 5 grand, a hooker he hit and hurt pride over being threatened?

Same thing with the planting of the lucky crack pipe. Terrence was obviously not THAT corrupt and crazy that he would suddenly shack up with mass murderers, no matter how affable.

And similar with him winning the bet. The guy went to great lengths to find incriminating evidence on a key player in the game and manage to extort him going down in the game, so he could make money and win the bet. The fact that he won anyway even if his player refused to play was sort of ironic.

The ending with these three lucky breaks, fits in with the tone of the film. Which was humorous even in the face of everything ugly. This is supported by Terrence later feeling miserable in a hotel room with a mountain of coke. (obviously thinking of committing suicide) But just in time the petty criminal he saved enters in and saves his life.

I think Herzog planted those clues to add a little more realism, since usually that's they way it happens. Terrence would follow in the footsteps of his parents, overdose and die. The end. But this is a funny movie, not pathetic real life.

Because just take a look at what is more likely to happen in real life. Terrence would get severely beat-up by the loan sharks who work for his bookie. To pay off the goons and his debts he would need to act as informer to mass murderers. And after he paid off the goons we would then be witness to all three of them rape his girlfriend probably hospitalizing her. Who wants to see that sh)t?

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GREAT Explanation



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Great explanation manuvament, although it never occurred to me that he had died on the couch. I thought it might be a hallucination, but the visual cues didn't fit with the earlier hallucinations so i scrapped that idea!

I agree that it just worked out like that, and the happy ending is meant to be ironic - not only in that he doesn't 'deserve' it but in that it's a happy ending for everyone but him really... I mean he gets away with everything and ostensibly gets to have his cake and eat it too - progress in his career, beautiful devoted girlfriend and what looks like a stable family unit... and yet he's still there fv cking himself up at the end - so everything has changed around him but he hasn't changed. Things have worked out peachy for everyone else, despite his overwhelmingly bad influence: he inadvertently enables his girlfriend, father and step mother to get clean; helps out his colleagues (not just himself) by busting Big Fate with his 'lucky' crack pipe; pays off his debts; he even saves the life (and soul) of the prisoner from the beginning of the film. So the 'good' guys get what they want, and the 'bad' guys get what they deserve. Which makes the title pretty ironic too - he's Bad alright, but in terms of getting the job done he's actually a very good Lieutenant!

The laugh at the end I thought was quite nihilistic. It was such a long, morose kind of shot, it didn't seem to be a victorious laugh, it was a mirthless, fv ck, how did this happen?! kind of laugh. Here he is, being 'rescued' by the prisoner he injured himself 'rescuing' in the first place (for a bet if I remember correctly, but still). It seems as though their lives have been switched; he's the corrupt junkie and borderline criminal and the prisoner has apparently redeemed himself.

Everything is inverse in this movie, so of course, what qualifies as 'bad' and what is 'good' could be a topic of debate in itself. It was absolutely magnificent though, probably my favourite film of the year so far.

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I love that the ending of this film is so ambiguous. I think the ending is real. That his life seems perfect but he feels he doesn't deserve it and so his happiness must be temporary. Either reading of it makes a satisfying ending though, which is really interesting.

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He even tells the room service kid: "Sometimes I have bad days". Meaning he didn't necessarily stay doped up the whole time. He was obviously making an effort with his reformed family, but he relapsed. That's how addiction works, you might find yourself back out doing bad things because you did them for so long. And I don't think he proceeded with the rape and all that the second time at the club; we have no reason to assume so. He was just looking for drugs.

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