Interracial? - Heartland (2007) Discussion

[–] vink0286 8 years ago

You can run but you cannot hide!

We Don't Take No *beep* From A Machine!!

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[–] kellyseekellydo 8 years ago

oh no, not black people! How could they!

there's nothing not family-friendly about a love interest outside of one's own race -- though I doubt they'll ever be that inclusive as to go there, there would be nothing not family-friendly about a gay character or couple either. representation is not, in of itself, a political stance.

if this sort of thing is an issue for you, the issue is, point blank, with you. Not with the show.

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[–] kellyseekellydo 8 years ago

since when does gay = obscenely sexual?

like I said this show is not likely to ever go there, but the idea that somehow a gay person just existing automatically means not being family friendly is an awful, bigoted reflection on whoever feels that way.

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[–] vampslayer33000 8 years ago

is an awful, bigoted reflection on whoever feels that way.

Yes, the desire to avoid sexual perversion on a family-friendly show is "bigoted". Way to attempt to immediately shut down discussion with sophomoric name-calling.

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[–] kellyseekellydo 8 years ago

there is nothing sexually perverse about just being who you are. a gay person isn't inherently any more obscene or inappropriate than a straight one.

I'm guessing you're American and will probably be voting for Trump.

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[–] Philip_90 8 years ago

I'm guessing you're American and will probably be voting for Trump.

Not sure why you'd even bring that up. I and many others in Europe support Trump as well as a good chunk of Canadians. Not to mention that Trump's biggest and most powerful supporter is a British gay guy -- Milo Yiannopoulos. Look him up or watch the video below which he provides facts (mind you that facts are now considered racist and sexist/misogynistic).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OAnm0RpPkE

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[–] karinsuezen28 8 years ago

don't count this canadian as a trump supoprter......

i know someone else who is a supporter of his.....

susan

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[–] vampslayer33000 8 years ago

There most certainly is something sexually perverse about such people.

I'm guessing you are not an American and would have supported Stalin and police-thought.

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[–] ScrystaLz 8 years ago

and thanks to people like you, America will soon be reverting back to the dark ages...

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[–] vampslayer33000 8 years ago

Wow, you must get up early to come up with such witticisms as "Dark Ages". That, my juvenile friend, will be defined as progress, not dark ages.

We're making America great again.

Based on such a reply I'm guessing you, too, would support police thought like the Stalinists.

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[–] karinsuezen28 8 years ago

and thanks to people like you, America will soon be reverting back to the dark ages...

sad isn't it

susan

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[–] RvaBread22 8 years ago

Exactly my thoughts. I always wondered if Caleb was going to be the token gay on the show.

"Life is like a box of Krispy Kreme donuts".

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[–] Philip_90 8 years ago

To be honest, I never got the vibe of Caleb being gay.

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[–] RvaBread22 8 years ago

And neither did I. I was just thinking that given the chance, a writer may decide to make him decidedly gay for the show. It seems almost cheap writing these days and even cliched- that almost every show has at least one homosexual or "gay friendly " character. It almost becomes a TV trope.

"Life is like a box of Krispy Kreme donuts".

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[–] RvaBread22 8 years ago

I just see it as political and manipulative. Do you think the show "Modern Family" supposed to be a traditionally family-friendly show? No, it is not, and there are tons of tv shows and movies that pander to that sort of rhetoric. But my fear is that they will eventually have a gay on the Heartland show because they just want to push this stuff. And they already have the interracial stuff, which is almost to the point of cliche. Georgie and the black guy can't just be friends, they have to be romantically involved because we're all about that now.

"Life is like a box of Krispy Kreme donuts".

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[–] Philip_90 8 years ago

You're not too far off. They already included the feminist's wage gap myth on the show so getting more 'progressive' could very well happen, unfortunately.

Season 9, Episode 12

Not really. Since women still aren't paid on par with men.

And then at the end, all the girls were riding their horses.

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[–] Madmax2015 (1) 2 years ago

I mean honestly she probably just has a little bit of the fever going on and been spending too much time on the Hub she's became a bit of a size queen and wanted to try some of that BBC and she's being quite aggressive and pursuing it can't blame her she didn't want the other size queen snatching it up ...cool show though

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[–] vampslayer33000 8 years ago

there would be nothing not family-friendly about a gay character or couple either

Only in your strange opinion.

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[–] kellyseekellydo 8 years ago

no, only in my non-bigoted one.

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[–] vampslayer33000 8 years ago

This is the last resort of people with no point to make. "Bigoted". Did you learn that term last year in your freshman year of high school? Did they teach you that would intimidate others and shut down all discussion?

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[–] karinsuezen28 8 years ago

there's nothing not family-friendly about a love interest outside of one's own race -- though I doubt they'll ever be that inclusive as to go there, there would be nothing not family-friendly about a gay character or couple either. representation is not, in of itself, a political stance.

under my other name.....i didn't change it because of that...i changed it because well that was the only way to get me back in....was to go under my google name

but anyway.....

i said that about why lou didn't marry scott...and people disagreed with me.....they didn't want to do the race thing.....

one person said that oh he travels alot, the actor to do other stuff, i'm not sure if i got to say...

well, the movies that peter's in, are all done on the east coast....the movie that lou did this christmas, not sure where it's filmed..

tim, is in alot of stuff as well, and all that's filmed on the east coast...

yet scott's portrayer don't remember his name...but all the stuff he shoots is on the west coast......so....

to say that he's away, is because he's doing other projects...is wrong...when the others do other projects farther away....and yet nathaniel...is right there

no, they didn't have those two be married, because scott is native.....

they married in the book.......so why not the series....

susan

i mean i hope that they keep georgie and adam together...but i have my doubts....

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[–] Juschill (816) 7 years ago

They didn't marry in the series because the actor who plays Scott is a horrible actor and a spectacular bore!!!

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[–] Philip_90 8 years ago

It's a Canadian show and with Justin Trudeau it was just a matter of time before they made Heartland a "progressive" show. But I digress, I really like Adam's character, he's fragile, sweet and respectful.

Damn shame they wrote off Stephen out of Heartland or maybe he couldn't be part of it. :-/

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[–] TesubCalle 8 years ago

"The black kid" has a name, and it's Adam Parker. You couldn't even see it fit to use his name? Why is his skin colour a problem for you? Does it make Heartland seem somehow less "pure"?

That only white people deserve to be in relationship with each other to the exclusion of all others?

Adam and Georgie are just in a puppy love phase. I mean, it's okay if you don't like Adam because of his arrogant, brainy, know-it-all attitude, but to default to his skin colour as a reason why is pointless, and it is a bit disconcerting. A person should be valued based on how they treat others, and not some arbitrary, hereditary, perceived place-of-origin trait.

Moving on to the next topic... I wasn't a fan of the Lou and Peter divorce, either. But let's look at facts:

Marion and Tim divorced.
Lisa and Dan divorced.
Brad and Lily divorced.

and many others who were background characters.

I personally wish Lou and Peter had fought harder to save their marriage.

But getting back to the original topic: If you're upset about Adam and Georgie, are you also upset about Caleb and Cassandra?

Please tell me again how you're not racist. (Guess you're really happy you got to be born white and not something else, right? Because that's something we can all control, right?)

Certa Bonum Certamen

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[–] Philip_90 8 years ago

Tim and Tricia made a cute couple but the damn guy is always swapping girlfriends and Tricia's only been part of Heartland for four episodes. :-/

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[–] vampslayer33000 8 years ago

I don't find the OP racist in any shape, matter, or form. It seems to me the OP is sick and tired of a PC world being shoved down his or her throats and that Heartland was one of the last vestiges of that.

I wonder how many black viewers Heartland thought it would add through such a storyline. I'd suspect it loses more viewers than it gains.

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[–] Philip_90 8 years ago

LGBT can't be far off, maybe Jack will pull a Caitlyn Jenner or some such nonsense.

 The show not only would receive a huge backlash for such a nonsensical stupid move but then be at risk of cancellation. As well as losing a ton of viewers.

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[–] vampslayer33000 8 years ago

That only white people deserve to be in relationship with each other to the exclusion of all others?

Not sure what this is supposed to mean? Should Heartland introduce a black couple? An Eskimo couple? That it is the height of self-fulfillment for a non-white to be in a relationship with a white?

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[–] first_rule_of_fightclub 8 years ago

Adam and Georgie are just in a puppy love phase. I mean, it's okay if you don't like Adam because of his arrogant, brainy, know-it-all attitude

I know you didn't ask me, but I'm gonna answer anyway. My problem with the relationship is Georgie. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not a Georgie hater. I actually like the character. But she has played with Adam's heart like it's a yo-yo. And then she's surprised when he kisses someone else?

I wasn't a fan of the Lou and Peter divorce, either...I personally wish Lou and Peter had fought harder to save their marriage.

Me too. I hated that they got divorced. Georgie always loved Peter and was closer to him than she was Lou, but now they've made it to where she doesn't seem to really miss him. Peter even came back and told Lou everything she ever wanted to hear, even though he didn't need to, and she still said no.

I'm assuming it has something to do with the actor playing Peter being otherwise committed to another show or something.

are you also upset about Caleb and Cassandra?

I'm still upset about Caleb and Ashley. I miss Ashley. Her and Caleb had such good chemistry together. I wish she was still on the show and they were still together. Caleb and Cassandra just don't have chemistry and don't seem natural. It seems more like the writers felt that they needed to couple everyone up and so Caleb couldn't be a lone wolf.

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[–] Philip_90 8 years ago

But she has played with Adam's heart like it's a yo-yo. And then she's surprised when he kisses someone else?

That's no longer an issue now. Georgie and Adam are boyfriend/girlfriend even though he's.. I want to spoil it and say it but won't -- it's something that happens on Season 10.

I'm still upset about Caleb and Ashley. I miss Ashley. Her and Caleb had such good chemistry together. I wish she was still on the show and they were still together. Caleb and Cassandra just don't have chemistry and don't seem natural. It seems more like the writers felt that they needed to couple everyone up and so Caleb couldn't be a lone wolf.

Caleb and Ashley did have chemistry but she was immature, irresponsible and wanted a different lifestyle even though Caleb forced himself to her ways it still didn't work. Cassandra seems to be trying to connect with Caleb to have a working relation but her tastes are so different than his.

Too bad Caleb and Lou never worked out.

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[–] first_rule_of_fightclub 8 years ago

I think Ashley was growing and learning to love their differences. It was her mom that drove them apart. She drove a wedge between them and encouraged discord.

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[–] first_rule_of_fightclub 8 years ago

Her mom was the one always encouraging her to go to college and to go away to different places. She was always planting seeds of doubt in Ashley's mind by saying things like, "Is this really what you want out of life. You could go and do so many better things than be with him." Not verbatim but you get my point.

I think Ashley was serious about making it work but her mom was just an unstoppable force in getting those two apart. It wasn't so much that Caleb realized how different they were, he realized what he was up against. Saying they were too different was a nice way of saying he couldn't win.

Go back and rewatch it.

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[–] first_rule_of_fightclub 8 years ago

You're wrong, Hamster. You're just wrong. Val was not being a good mom. She was being a snob as she's always been. I even believe that Ashley pointed that out to her.

And yes, Caleb may have said they were too different, but that's just him giving Ashley and easy out because he knew he couldn't win vs. Val. What characters say isn't always what they mean. If you can't read between the lines and understand subtext, I'm not sure there's much I can do for you.

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[–] first_rule_of_fightclub 8 years ago

she only wanted what she thought was best for Ashley and in her eyes Caleb was just a do-nothing loser

Nope.

Val thought a rodeo cowboy was below her daughter and below their station. Val felt they did proper riding at Briar Ridge. To Val it's the difference between a violin and a fiddle.

And no, he wouldn't have held Ashley back. They may have ended up having a lot more simple life than what Val wanted for her but that doesn't mean she's held back. Money and success doesn't always lead to joy or happiness. Just look at Val. She has all of that and is lonely and bitter.

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[–] stephen-63895 8 years ago

in season 8 finale at the reception of ty and amy wedding val finally realizes though how good Caleb was for her daughter took her long time and the damage had already been done at that point

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[–] first_rule_of_fightclub 8 years ago

Agree, stephen.

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[–] first_rule_of_fightclub 8 years ago

Face it, Hamster; you're wrong. And the more you try to dig yourself out the deeper of a hole you dig. The fact that you think Caleb is a bum shows that you're a bit of snob yourself. In universe, Tim and Jack road rodeo and both have done well for themselves. They're not rich like Val or Lisa but they've done okay.

And you're right in that Val liked Jack who did rodeo, but if you'll remember she told Georgie that she came around to it too late. She decided she liked Jack and that the prestige of someone's occupation didn't matter that much after she admitted to Caleb he would've been a good fit for her daughter.

Caleb only became aimless after his relationship with Ashley broke up. Before that he was all in with rodeo and was doing quite decent at it and moving up.

Every argument you think you have against Caleb and Ashley has been proven wrong time and again. Just give it up.

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[–] first_rule_of_fightclub 8 years ago

You're apparently watching a different show that the rest of us on the thread. I don't think there's any helping you. I give up.

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[–] Philip_90 8 years ago

Val is not exactly a good mother. Money? Yeah. A place to live? Yeah. Permitting freedom of who Ashley dates? Nope, unless she thinks he's good enough for her.

Ashley took Caleb for granted.

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[–] Philip_90 8 years ago

You're right. Rich people.

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[–] jolenebriz 8 years ago

I'm pretty sure Ashley came back and lies to Caleb, he realized she was hiding something (like her engagement to another guy), they broke it off because he realized Ashley was running back to get past instead of living in the year and now. I can't remember what season it was, but Caleb was living in the loft while ty was living in the trailer. It had nothing to do with what either of you are arguing about. Ashley married some other guy, she and Caleb are some unless she gets a divorce.

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[–] karinsuezen28 8 years ago

Marion and Tim divorced.
Lisa and Dan divorced.
Brad and Lily divorced.

you forgot caleb and ashley

susan

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[–] Philip_90 8 years ago

What decent mother would want her daughter marrying that?

Most mothers tend to not even have a say when their daughters get married, and well, even if they did they'd still marry the guy because it's who they love. Plus, people nowadays marry and then get divorced so.. not really that solid of a relationship.

Caleb is no Peter in terms of having a job but he's a hard working dude and always there for his wife. I'm still disappointed that Caleb and Lou never worked out but it couldn't, she was still married to Peter.

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[–] Philip_90 8 years ago

I rewatched the season finale of Season 8 and Val right there admitted that Caleb would've have been a good fit for Ashley. Too bad Val ruined the relationship.

Caleb and Cass just doesn't seem to be working too well even though she's pregnant. She is beautiful but the two are so world's apart.

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[–] ScrystaLz 8 years ago

wow...do you people here have such conservative and backwards thinking that you're so against progression?

Why is it that every time there is an interracial couple or a gay character on a TV show or movie, there are people who just assume it's a political move? What world are you people living in? Nowadays you see many gay couples everywhere and the number of interracial couples are increasing and becoming more common, what is so wrong with simply reflecting the reality we live in now? Why do people think it has to be some sort of political statement to have gays and interracial couples on TV and in movies? This is the 21st century people, nowadays interracial couples and gay people are very common in reality, so what is so wrong with simply wanting our TV shows and movies to reflect more on reality?

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[–] Philip_90 8 years ago

At this point it's hard to tell what's a conservative anymore because everyone has their own definition.

Going by Google:

averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values.
"they were very conservative in their outlook"

synonyms: traditionalist, traditional, conventional, orthodox, stable, old-fashioned, dyed-in-the-wool, unchanging, hidebound; More

'Traditional' and 'old-fashioned' can literally mean anything whether in a good or bad sense.

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[–] vampslayer33000 8 years ago

Nowadays you see many gay couples everywhere and the number of interracial couples are increasing and becoming more common, what is so wrong with simply reflecting the reality we live in now?

What is wrong with the person enjoying the show for what it was and hating to see it ruined with a PC agenda? What is wrong with turning the TV off? Should the OP be obligated to watch Heartland in perpetuity even as it's PC becomes more and more distasteful?

What is wrong with not bowing to the god of PC? While you're looking to reflect reality, why not go to a very rural, very small Canadian town and note the racial makeup of said town. You know the racial makeup of Alberta Canada is 2.1% black at the last census? Wonder what percentage of those live in small, rural counties. So much for reflecting reality.

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[–] Philip_90 8 years ago

The liberal media has ruined many aspects of fictional characters and entertainment in itself, one of those is pushing the 'let's make white characters now become black' for no other reason than having that black token and appealing to the "progressive" audience.

If you dare to complain that they shouldn't have turned a white character to black then you're labelled 'racist' because, reasons!

Now, there is nothing wrong with black or gay characters as long as they're well developed rather than pushing it due to an agenda they have. Hannibal Season 3 had a lesbian scene which really felt out of place since it didn't have any backstory to it.

The media needs a reboot from all this "I'm offended" B.S.

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[–] vampslayer33000 8 years ago

The liberal media has ruined many aspects of fictional characters and entertainment in itself, one of those is pushing the 'let's make white characters now become black' for no other reason than having that black token and appealing to the "progressive" audience.

I could not agree more with this statement.

Now, there is nothing wrong with black or gay characters as long as they're well developed rather than pushing it due to an agenda they have

Unfortunately it seems that the writers make the black characters ultimate goal to leave their family or friends to hang with a bunch of lily white characters. A couple that I can think of (on shows that I enjoyed) were Charles Gunn on Angel, Jesse Porter on Burn Notice, John Diggle on Arrow. Characters just totally forced rather than naturally written.

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

I know I'm late, but whatever. I find this post extremely offensive and disgusting. You say you aren't racist, but pretty much every word you typed is racist. There is nothing wrong with a show having an interracial couple. You're saying it makes a family show "worse" but it actually makes it better because they are showing families and kids that it doesn't matter what skin color you are, it's love. I seriously doubt they are trying to promote it, but if they are, good for them. I honestly just think it doesn't really matter to them. They just cast the characters they think are best for the role. And really, why does it matter so much to you? It's a good thing. I'm glad that they have diversity in this show, but if they didn't, it wouldn't matter to me. Because it really doesn't matter... It's not a big deal... I really don't care. I'm not watching the show to judge people for their skin color. The color of your skin doesn't portray your personality. I don't like the character of Adam, and I don't like him and Georgie dating, but it has nothing to do with him being a different race than her. Btw, interracial friendships and diversity has been on this show since season one, in case you didn't notice... Amy and her friend Soraya are different races, and Scott and Lou's races are different... Although they aren't dating anymore. So idk why you are just starting to have a problem right now...

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[–] Juschill (816) 7 years ago

Why are you so close minded you're opposed to more than one black character on the show and the two of them having a relationship? Or a black love triangle? Are you so close minded that one black person in an interracial relationship is ok but if there were more than one then you'd say the show belong on BET? You sound like you believe the height of black self-fulfillment is to be in a relationship with someone or another race. 2018 and you're still operating under White Man's Burden. We've come nowhere.

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

I'm not opposed to there being more than one black character on the show. When did I ever say that? I don't know what you mean by "are you so close minded that one black person in an interracial relationship is ok but if there were more than one then you'd say the show belong on BET?" Do you mean if the character had an opportunity to date another black person and they did then I think the show should be on BET? If you do, then no, I don't. My whole point I was trying to make is that it doesn't matter to me, and it shouldn't matter to anyone else. I don't care if a show has all white people, all black people, all yellow people, all people with stripes, small people, tall people, mixed diversities, I don't care! All I care about is if it is a good enjoyable show. I definitely do not think the height of black self-fulfillment is to be in a relationship with someone of another race. I don't even know what you mean by "black self-fulfillment." Since I believe we are all equal we all deserve our own self-fulfillment. It should just be called "self-fulfillment," not "black self-fulfillment." A relationship can sometimes give us self-fulfillment, but not for everyone. Although having an interracial relationship can show people that you don't care, you don't want that to be the reason you are in a relationship with that person. I don't want black people to be above any other race, that's why I'm against black lives matter, (all lives matter) I don't want whites to be above any other race. I don't want any race to be above another kind of race. I want equality for all, and I believe we have that here in America, but I think many people don't realize that. Sadly there will always be people that are prejudiced, but my point is that we all have the same rights and opportunities here in America.

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[–] Juschill (816) 7 years ago

You are aware that this show is set in very rural Canada, I hope. This is not America.

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

True, true. I didn't think about that. I don't know much about Canada, but my dad told me it's becoming a very socialist country, basically saying it's bad. I'd still like to go, because well, this show made me fall in love with Canada. The scenery there is beautiful and I love their accents

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