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Proof that the "Real World" is another Matrix (Matrix within a Matrix)

posted 3 years ago by sWooZie (3)
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... and hopefully this is what Matrix Resurrections will address or hover around. Matrix 1 and Matrix 2 left a number of bread crumbs and I haven't seen it brought up here just yet. At the end of Matrix 2 Neo stops Sentinels in the real world exactly how he stops bullets in the Matrix. The filmmakers didn't spend too much time focusing on this event but it is a massive bread crumb.

Another smaller bread crumb is that the Oracle can see things before they happen in the real world. She told Neo that he was going to have to choose between Morpheus' life and his own knowing that Cypher was going to betray them in the real world. The only way she would know what was going to happen (and that Neo would make it out of the Matrix in order to spectate that moment) was if she had future knowledge of what would take place in the real world. This would make sense ONLY if the real world was another simulation that the Oracle was plugged in to.

Another brilliantly hidden bread crumb is in Matrix 1 while Agent Smith is torturing Morpheus he says, "Human beings define their reality through mysery and suffering". What is more miserable than living in a cold submarine, running from killer robots and eating the same G damn goop every day? Everyone in the real world is so miserable that they wouldn't think for a second that they're in another simulation. And if the machines are aware of humans rebelling and exiting the Matrix then set up the "real world" as a safety net to catch those who escape then you essentially have ZERO free minds.

[–] bozo_500 (13122) 3 years ago

Yeah im hoping to see stuff like that and had hoped to see it in the previous sequels. see here: https://moviechat.org/tt0234215/The-Matrix-Reloaded/5c9cd7af64816e370e0d2c6f/What-kind-of-stuff-were-you-expecting-to-see-in-the-sequels

[–] DracTarashV2 (4493) 3 years ago

Who knows if they will go there, but it’s something I’ve thought about since, well, the very first Matrix. It’s interesting.

[–] TandyMan (11109) 3 years ago

Seemed clear to me that's what was going on when I watched it. Then Roger Ebert said the same thing.

[–] RogueDemonHunter (2684) 3 years ago

It certainly makes sense. A prison doesn't just have one wall separating the criminals from the outside world (in most cases anyway). They'll be multiple fences, gates and barriers to compartmentalize compromised areas. It makes sense to apply that to the Matrix too.

[–] sWooZie (3) 3 years ago

"A prison doesn't just have one wall separating the criminals from the outside world" wow... I've never heard any one word it better! Honestly, part of what made the first Matrix so great was that Neo and the audience were led by mystery. I'm hoping MWAM is the answer to an even bigger mystery. Because if we spend most of the movie with Neo trying to figure out hes still in a simulation then I think we're not in for a great sequel (as much as I want us to be!).

I've also seen a number of ppl concerned that the amount of call backs in the Matrix 4 trailer to part one might be a sign that Lilly might not be as confident or that she might be leaning toward the creatively bankrupt side of things. I just want a movie thats closer to part one and less like the sequels (even tho the sequels had their good bits). And a MWAM element in the plot for part 4 would open this whole thing up for a potential SICK sequel. Cuz then... what does the REAL real world look like ya know?

[–] RogueDemonHunter (2684) 3 years ago

Yeah. I'm very concerned about the possibility of creative bankruptcy at the hands of the director. Let's face it, the first Matrix film wasn't all that original and pulled inspiration from loads of sources. Don't get me wrong, it did it very well but as we found out with the sequels, without heavy inspiration, things didn't go so well for 2 & 3. A token nod here or there for this one would be cool but we've same the same ground retrodden numerous times in the trailer.

[–] McQualude (4231) 3 years ago

Yeah that was a popular theory back in the heyday. The mish-mash of symbology and religious references combined with an unreliable narrator provide plenty of fodder for interpretations. Bread crumbs, no, just our minds making patterns from chaos.

[–] Quisuismoi (7) 3 years ago

Kind of misses the point of the whole trilogy. Everything is a 'matrix', a VR one or not.

I don't think they'll go down this route, as theres nothing to gain from it, its never ending and just stright avoids dealing with the free will/determinism/self problem.

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

Quisuismoi is right. They already played that card in the 2nd movie and it was not an overly popular decision. You can't do that again. It would negate the point of the whole trilogy and people were pissed off when the first movie was essentially made meaningless.