The Matrix Sequels were shit, why do we need another one? - The Matrix Resurrections (2021) Discussion

[–] Saenzwa9 (484) 3 years ago

The sequels being shit is subjective. There are many people who love the sequels, and also many who didn't. Lana Wachowski evidently had another story to tell. Keanu Reeves originally didn't want to do it, but after reading the script he was so impressed that he signed on

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[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

"The sequels being shit is subjective."
No it's not, you weren't there at the time most likely, but most thought of them as SHIT back then.

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[–] FilmBuff (7237) 3 years ago

I was there at the time, and it was split. Dumbasses didn't understand them, and hated them. Intelligent people thought they were brilliant.

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[–] Levtones (592) 3 years ago

You can understand something and still think it's terrible.

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[–] FilmBuff (7237) 3 years ago

Sure you can, but in the case of Matrix 2 and 3, the vast majority of those who disliked it, disliked it because they didn't understand it. They wanted less thinking and more exploding.

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[–] Quisuismoi (7) 3 years ago

This is very true. But the timing of the sequels made it a difficult sale, basically post 9/11. Hollywoods shift to the marvel superhero isn't an accident, you get very few anti hero films nowdays and the sequels were a whole other level, beyond just anti hero, it basically ripped away any 'victory' from the first film. People didn't want that from a blockbuster then, maybe not ever.

For me the first holds so much less meaning without the sequels. Yes clunky and self indulgent, but wide provocative, spralling philosophy wrapped round a great original story.

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[–] Bateman (600) 3 years ago

the sequels were a whole other level, beyond just anti hero, it basically ripped away any 'victory' from the first film

That was actually one of the reasons I thought Reloaded was brilliant.

That scene with the Architect left me with a cold, sinking feeling of pure existential horror in the pit of my stomach: the world was a broken machine abandoned on a desolate wasteland, endlessly repeating the same pointless cycle long after those who created it were all dead... and the hotshot hero we thought was gonna knock down the entire thing on top of the baddies' heads? Yeah, he was no more than yet another cog in it.

That was one hell of an anticlimax.

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[–] Strazdas (2472) 3 years ago

yeah, its so unfortunate people prefer the dumb ride into the sunset endings than the ones that leave you thinking.

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[–] Burk48917 (11369) 3 years ago

It wasn't split. The majority didn't care for them. You may have, and thats fine, but the general consensus was negative in regards to them being a quality follow up to the first film. These movies aren't that deep, although the pretend to be. No significant amount of intelligence is required to understand them.

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[–] Strazdas (2472) 3 years ago

Most thought of citizen kane as shit when that came out originally, and now its taught in art school.

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[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

I know they thought the same of It's a Wonderful Life, and I LOVE that movie, and so does everyone else now.

The Matrix though, IS STILL SHIT.

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[–] Strazdas (2472) 3 years ago

Its not, though.

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[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

But the Matrix will not be taught in art school, unless it's post-apocalyptic and most people have gone the way of the dodo.

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[–] acidraindrop (3055) 3 years ago

The vast majority of people did not like the sequels. I actually loved revolutions btw, but OP is definitely echoing a majority opinion here.

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[–] Quisuismoi (7) 3 years ago

The sequels were not bad. The first is practically meaningless on its own.
I would say they were before there time and def not 'of the time' with what was happening politcally and socially in the west at the time of release, which is why they were recieved so poorly imo. They have big flaws for sure, mainly through self indulgence from the wachowskis. The cave rave for a starts. But as a whole, theyre great. There's nothing else like them, nothing that crams that much philosophy into hollywood action movies.

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[–] PersistentViewer (2386) 3 years ago

There was a lot of tension between Warner Bros and Sophia Stewart (she wrote the Matrix and Terminator books), and legal issues, where Sophia did not receive anything, and took Warner to court. I think a 4th Matrix movie is a sign of good faith between Warner Bros and Sophia Stewart and that they buried the hatchet, while compensating her in the process.

That is as far as my understanding of the situation goes. I could be way off.

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[–] TandyMan (11109) 3 years ago

Cuz Pirates 4 made a billion dollars. They certainly were expecting this to perform along similar lines when production first began.

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[–] howgamer (3931) 3 years ago

I enjoyed the sequels for the most part, although obviously not as good as the original. I just hope this isn't a reboot and an actual sequel. At least that would be more interesting to me.

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[–] CastroEulis (381) 3 years ago

From the looks of the triailer, it seems to be more of a reboot but still technically a sequel.

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[–] JustinUK (49) 3 years ago

I think this is a reboot. I think this is the story of Neo taking the blue pill in M1 and living out his life, but of course it all catches up with him eventually.

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[–] Oblivioid (1486) 3 years ago

First, I loved the sequels and saw them in theaters. I've needed multiple viewings to fully grasp all of the concepts and philosophy though.

Second, why not another sequel? The Matrix was not destroyed in Revolutions, in fact Neo SAVED The Matrix, and he's in it. So, there is still a Matrix, therefore there is still a story to develop.

Third, why not another sequel? Why is it ok for there to be tons of Star Wars sequels 40 years after the original? Why is it ok for there to be over 20 Marvel Universe movies made? But not The Matrix? Get over yourself, many of us welcome more Matrix mythology. Personally I find The Matrix to be very intellectually stimulating.

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[–] Nate Adams SA23 (902) 3 years ago

I agree with you man. While I also didn't enjoy the sequels as much as the first one I did appreciate the added value they had to the Matrix world.

So I also hope this sequel lives up to the expectation but I will remain nervous until then.

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[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

I am with the two of you. I have issues with them, particularly the 2nd one, but overall? I am a fan of the series and so are many others. It was the Star Wars of its time.

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[–] CastroEulis (381) 3 years ago

Wasnt neo killed?

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[–] Oblivioid (1486) 3 years ago

Was the Oracle 'killed'?

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[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

I hated the 2nd one the first time I saw it. It really rubbed me the wrong way. It's still my least favorite, but I find it to be an ok movie now and am a big fan of the series overall. The Matrix boards were very active during the early-to-mid 00s. I loved talking about the movies and so did many others. People forget how big it was because it's become cool to hate on the series, but discussing it is a blast.

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[–] Oblivioid (1486) 3 years ago

Honestly there's not many films with this sort of depth in philosophy that can generate so much discussion. Stanley Kubrick managed to do it with most of his films, but it's actually rare.

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[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

It's funny, 2003 isn't that long ago, but times have changed A LOT. You can't simply discuss a movie or TV show anymore. It turns into an argument about politics, the studio, or something else. Back when The Matrix was popular? You could talk Matrix, Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, LOST - all popular boards. The internet has changed. People have changed

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[–] Oblivioid (1486) 3 years ago

Well I can't disagree with you there.

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[–] bozo_500 (13122) 3 years ago

its bc of SM

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[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

The facts disagree with you. These are mostly good reviews:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/matrix_reloaded
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/matrix_revolutions
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0234215/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0242653/?ref_=nm_flmg_wr_13

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[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

Maybe I thought they were shit because unlike the original, they MADE NO SENSE?

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[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

They got convoluted, but there's a story there. Half the fun of that series was the discussions.

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[–] Strazdas (2472) 3 years ago

Couldnt follow the plot is not the same as made no sense.

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[–] avortac4 (3745) 3 years ago

Calling the so-called sequels (I do not recognize them as such) shít, is insult to shít.

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[–] enriquesingh (1810) 3 years ago

+1

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