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distance between town and hamlet


If I recall correctly from the first episode, the distance between Lark Rise and Candleford is around eight miles. I can't help feeling that the screenwriters regularly compress this distance.

By my estimation, this would take around three hours by foot, if one is good condition and has comfortable shoes. Now I realize that the villagers would have been used to walking everywhere, but the ease and frequency they not only walk to as well as back from town in a single day seems improbable.

I have just finished watching the first episode of the second season, set at Christmas. Among other journeys between town and village, it has Alfie and Twister going to town busk; to play Christmas carols. We are to believe they walked six hours to do this? This is quite an exertion, yet it there is no reflection of this in the narrative.

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Would only take me about 2 hours. For a relatively fast walker, walking that distance in 2 hours would be no problem. But I admit, yes, we have the luxury of extremely comfortable footwear in this day and age.

I do recall though, that Caroline used to mention riding back and forth between the two on the milk cart. So I assume most of the Lark Risers were used to hitching a ride that way.

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I an not certain it would help much with walking times; but when the distance was measured in an early episode, there was a short cut that could be taken cutting the distance down a little bit from the originally stated 8+ miles. This is how the fee for telegram delivery was eliminated in favor of the residents of Lark Rise.

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Same here. The way they go back and forth make it seem like a 30 minute walk.

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Actually it's 12.87 Kilometers, calculated at 1.609 kilometers per mile.

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Read anything from that period and you'll see that those who were forced to walk would not have a problem with it. As one commenter said, a brisk walker could do it in under 2 hours. People accustomed to it would not find it far, or difficult, and it would be the kind of "commute" they would expect under the circumstances.

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It's not just eight miles, it's eight miles one way for a total round trip of sixteen miles. And the question is not whether people used to walking would find the trip difficult, but the fact that even if you're a brisk walker, it would take quite a chunk of time out of your day. I can see people making the trip for work or business reasons or some truly compelling personal reason that couldn't wait, but - as an example - just to tell Alf that his Mom said she expected to straighten everything out soon? Not likely. Especially considering how little reason anyone would have to take Mrs. Arless's claim to such a thing seriously.

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Don't forget that the hamlet characters often mentioned the 'eggler' cart, the 'milk cart' as well as borrowing Mr Paxman's pony and cart. (the owner of the Wagon and Horses pub)

Miss Lane has her horse and trap. Sir Timothy has his horse. Lady Adalaide has her carriages. Also, in the later episodes there was the bicyle which Laura, Thomas and Minnie used often.

But nobody wants to see an hour long programme just to see them walking through countryside and not saying a word to anyone.

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Yes, Dorcas and Timothy often rode and so could cover the distance more quickly. Adelaide had carriages at her disposal and few demands on her time. Timothy was constantly going back and forth as part of his job.

But unless the hamlet folk from Lark Rise managed to schedule their visits to coincide with the milk cart, they had to walk when they wanted to go to Candleford. (One episode actually shows Mrs. Arless climbing onto the cart to ride into Candleford.) But the issue is not whether we see the hamlet folk making the trip or whether they had to walk, but the fact that even riding the cart is going to take some time out of their day that hamlet folk wouldn't typically be able to spare, and if they had the time to spare, why would they keep wasting so many hours trudging back and forth between Lark Rise and Candleford instead of visiting with their friends at home, resting, playing with their children, getting ahead on chores, making something special for themselves or someone else. Why do we keep seeing people going back and forth for no particular reason or to deliver a message that could easily have waited until someone else was making the trip? Do you see what I mean?

It isn't enough to ruin the show by any means, but it is niggling considering that the first season did make such a point of emphasizing the distance.

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We're binge-watching it now, and we've decided that they must teleport.

When the first season started, it was like Candleford was SO FAR from Lark Rise, and Laura wasn't even familiar with Candleford, but then suddenly they were all back and forth all the time.

There was the episode where the young pregnant girl was sneaking out at night in Lark Rise to run to Candleford and back in the middle of the night, in the dark. And I don't think her mother knew she'd done it.




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Yes, when Laura first was sent to Candleford, it was like she'd never been there. But all the residents are apparently running back and forth all day - - how could it have seemed so amazingly remote and frightening? Or was it likely that she'd never met the postmistress before?

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We simply cannot compare now with then!

We assume that they were "in better shape" because they had to do so much physical work every day; that is true!

However, they were smaller than we are; their legs were shorter so it took more steps.

They didn't always have enough to eat; there was a matter of nutrition (and that much walking, producing nothing, wasted a great deal of energy).

Notice: They did NOT have "water bottles." Do you know how thirsty they would be having to walk 8 miles each way in all kinds of weather?

Footwear! Their shoes (when they had them) were definitely inferior. They were badly made, stiff, and uncomfortable, and didn't fit well. There were many cases of corns and blisters, etc.

Many went barefoot. The roads were dirt, rocks, chuckholes, and mud puddles. It was NOT easy walking.

Walking on grass posed its own problems; gopher holes, noxious weeds, broken glass, animal droppings, and more rocks.

Walking after rain could even more difficult, depending on the kinds of soil. It could take another hour to clean your boots after a trek that long. Or, a walk like that could ruin a precious pair of boots.

Taking a shortcut could result in your being "lost" if you fell and were hurt if no one knew your exact route.

They did NOT have sunglasses! Few had "parasols." Few had proper hats. They did not have anything to sit on, if they "felt faint" for a time.

As to riding; a horse was best, but 16 miles is substantial. Poor people did not have horses; they could not afford to feed them, or outfit them. Wagons were MISERABLE. (I know what a wagon feels like with rubber tires, a wagon with wooden or metal wheels was awful! We also had a "sleigh" with metal runners, that held 9 (in 3 rows) and it was more "romantic" than wonderful.) A small trap (like Dorcas used) was OK, depending on the condition of the suspension (springs) and the padding on the seat.

I agree, the constant "back and forth" is unrealistic.

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I agree with most said in this thread. But also I think we have to suspend belief a little here. It is meant a bit more of a soap opera than a complete accurate/historical retelling of events.

But I do think there were a lot of mistakes made in many areas that could have made for better story telling.

Like many times when Dorcas just hops over to Lark Rise. Yeah right. Not a lady of her position or of that distance. Especially after the fuss over charging for telegram delivery.

I think they were trying to bridge the communities and characters together but I do agree that they were a little too lax in allowing them all to just bounce around as willly nilly as they do. Oh I am going to hobble my 9 mth pregnant self to the PO amidst labor. Ha. Or they all just appear in the woods doing a seance ha! And I surprised the candelford folks and Lark Rise folks would be communing so much woth each other so often. Especially when it didn't seem that it was that way before Laua started working over there.

So yeah I see a lot of errors but I think the best thing we can do is view it like a period soap opera full of silliness.

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Actually, Dorcas going back and forth is one of the few that makes sense. Dorcas had a horse and went out riding for pleasure and exercise on a regular basis. It is not at all unreasonable that she would ride over to Lark Rise for a visit, especially considering that Emma Timmins is her cousin.

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Yes but they were of very different social standing and wouldn't have been socializing as they show it here. Cousins or not. Especially when in the beginning they made it as if Candleford was quite a bit away and that Laura wasn't all that familiar with Dorcas. Suddenly Dorcas is making regular visits to Lark Rise. But I don't know how authentic all these episodes are to the actual books.

And the Christmas episode where they are all torn up about Laura spending Christmas with Dorcas yet they are all back and forth between the towns several times in the week. How silly, she couldn't have spent the morning in one and the afternoon with the other and just ridden on Dorcas's horse or carriage?

I do keep toiling on the distance though in general. 8 miles one way is a decent haul much less when you have to walk back that same distance. And I was thinking on the mail route and how if they go out twice a day that seems quite a trek. You often see Laura and Thomas going out so often to make random deliveries. One route would take 4 hrs at the least if not more because they aren't walking straight but going up and down paths to different homes and being stopped and having conversations. So one route could easoly take 4-6 hrs if they go as far as Lark Rise and then later mentioned is Fordlow.

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The books are a completely different type of work. The series was a typical serial narrative, but the books were memoirs, not autobiography. Flora Thompson did not write the story of her life so much as she wrote about the way of life of the hamlet and town where she grew up. So most of the stories in the television series are at most loosely inspired by events from the books.

As for Dorcas visiting Lark Rise more frequently after Laura came to work for her, I always assumed that it was because Laura, once she had learned her way around the post office, was such a good helper that Dorcas was able to take more time for herself than she had been before. Also, after working closely with Laura and having Laura move into her home, it would only be natural for Dorcas to get to know her better and come to feel closer to her. More frequent visits to her family might be a natural outgrowth of that closeness.

But just because Laura had access to Dorcas's horse and/or carriage doesn't mean that Laura would know how to ride or drive. She would have had no opportunities to learn either skill, so she would still be stuck walking. Although later, she did learn to ride the bicycle, if I remember correctly.

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I'm waiting on the books, and will be paying attention to this aspect. The writers do seem inconsistent in some ways, although I see no inconsistency in Dorcas suddenly making regular visits. She feels - and is -- closer to the family. She is guardian, at least, to Laura.

However, I think that people are looking at this from a modern perspective and with modern attitudes. Why would they think twice about it? That's the way it was for everyone.

In the "Little House" books when Laura got a job in town with the seamstress, she and Pa left at sunup to walk the several miles into town every morning. They both carried their shoes and put them on only when they got to the outskirts of town. When I was young, I went barefoot all summer. It didn't take long to toughen up my feet -- and I paid attention to where I put them!

Today, millions of people living in the New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, etc., areas commute two or more hours each way to work. Just because they are sitting in a car or train doesn't change that.

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Again, it is NOT the fact that they are making the trip when they have good reason to do so, such as employment, but the fact that the poor people with limited means of transportation and lots of demands on their time suddenly seem to be jaunting back and forth for no real reason or for things that could easily wait until they had a more compelling reason to make the trip.

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