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How can Joset's ghost still exist,if she's been reincarnated as Vicky?


I mean Vickys childhood friend/companion was even the ghost of her past life.
How does that work out again?

The only theory I can come up with is thus...
A person is made up of 3 parts..spirit..soul...body.
When Joset jumped her old body died.
Her soul went back to God/Creator etc,while her Spirit freely roamed the earth.
Years later her soul was reincarnated into a new body as Vicky.
Then at the end of the movie she forced Barnabus to make her body undead in freefall.After which Vickys soul and Josets spirit combined,to make undead Joset.

Happy ending...

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Yeah. That's possible. Or maybe the guy who wrote the script is just an idiot.

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Well... Josette wasn't reincarnated. Victoria was haunted by the ghost of Josette, was driven mad and was driven to the manor and when she died, Josette possessed the body. So basically... it didn't end in any favorable form for Victoria. Her whole life was wasted by a ghost that couldn't forget.

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But Victoria was never mad.
People just thought she was;because they couldn't see Josette's ghost,when the two had conversations.That was the tragedy.

I just can't think it was coincidence that Victoria looked so much like Josette.
And that Josette's ghost was bound to her.I stick with my theory that between Vicky(Josette's reincarnation) and Josette's ghost,Barnabus regained all 3 parts of the woman he loved in the end.


I agree that Josette's ghost merged with Vickys body afterward.
But that was just to make her complete again.Vicky never died in the first place.
It was heavily implied that Barnabus turned her into a vampire in mid fall.He thought he had failed at first true.But she was clearly undead afterward,so he didn't lose her.


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This was the same in the show as well, and though it was ambiguous whether Maggie, Victoria or Rachel were actually Josette's reincarnations (especially as half of the time they overlapped... though due to the weird time travel plots it isn't that unlikely) Kitty was definitely the reincarnation of Josette and yet the ghost still existed. You might thus be right when you say "A person is made up of 3 parts..spirit..soul...body." when it comes to the show and indeed this is similar to what the Egyptians used to believe in Antiquity. That has always been my take on Dark Shadows reincarnations.

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Indeed. In the old Egyptian religions (because there was really more than one) the soul was divided into parts:

1. The Ib (Heart): The seat of all intention and emotion. A witness of sorts to the life of an individual which is examined by Anubis to determine if one is eligible for the afterlife.

2. The Ren (Name): The name, given at birth, lives as long as it is remembered and spoken.

3. The Sheut (The Shadow): A part of the human soul that is often thought of as a servant of Anubis. Because the Egyptians thought of the shadow as part of the soul, Pharaohs often had a shadow box to contain a part of their shadow when they when they are dead.

4. The Ba (Personality): The Ba is what makes each soul unique and different from eachother. The Ba lives on after the person has died and is often depicted as a sort of ghost on occasions much like the Akh.

5. The Ka (Vital Essence): The Ka is the vital essence that differentiates the living from the dead.

When the Ka and Ba are combined they create the Akh:

The Akh (Spirit): The Akh is a sort of magical intellect part of that which makes a person what they are. Unless the Ka and the Ba are brought together, the soul will die a second death. The Akh is often depicted as a ghost that wanders the tomb, but is more accurately the ''body'' that a soul (of the Ka and Ba) gets in the afterlife.

So with that view of the soul, having a ghost and a reincarnation of the same being is not too much of a stretch.


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Thanks for the great post.

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In Biblical Christianity the Soul and Spirit are distinct. And other religions have similar concepts like Op said.

In The Bible the word for Spirit is what sometimes gets translated Ghost.

The best way I can think of to define the difference between the Soul and Spirit would be that the Spirit is what only Humans have while the Soul is what Animals also have. Meaning the Buffyverse should probably have been saying Spirit every time they said Soul, though Joss wasn't concerned with being Biblically accurate so that doesn't matter.

"It's made up of facts, that doesn't make it true"-Spencer Hastings

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