So It's An Alternative Reality, Right?
In their reality, there's no Avengers, just them.
Then they get sucked into another reality where it's the Marvel universe.
Yawn.
I think perhaps not. If you look at the clothes, hairstyles, furniture, some of the cars, this looks to me like it's set in the 1960s. I'm not totally certain of this, because it's just short clips of various film scenes being shown in the trailer. But the original comic book team was introduced in 1961, and from what I see in this teaser trailer, it looks as if Marvel might have chosen to set the film in that era. If this turns out to be the case, there's no reason why it can't be the same universe as the Avengers, it's just decades before Cap thawed out or Tony Stark ever put on his first suit of armor. And this would also explain why the Fantastic Four weren't still around for the events of the Avengers films.
shareNah, they'd get a mention.
This is definitely a different timeline. Put your money on it.
Wrong. They would absolutely not get a mention. There are legal reasons. When the Avengers movies were made, Marvel Studios did not own the rights to the Fantastic Four. 20th Century Fox did. So Marvel could not use the characters, could not even mention them.
Remember, when Stan Lee stepped down as Marvel Comics' publisher, and moved out to California in 1981, he spent the next several years shopping Marvel's IP around to various studios trying to get movies and TV shows based on the Marvel characters made. Different studios bought some of the characters. For years, Spider-Man could only exist in a completely separate movie universe, because Sony owned the rights to the character; Spidey could only appear in the MCU after Sony and Marvel Studios made a deal. Likewise the Fantastic Four could not be in the MCU either, because they were owned by 20th Century Fox. This also explains why both Spider-Man and the FF kept getting rebooted so soon after a movie flopped or a series of movies petered out; the deals Lee made stipulated that if the studios did not use the IP for a specified number of years, the rights to those characters would revert back to Marvel Comics in toto, who would then be free to make a new deal with another studio.
So no, the FF would not have been mentioned in the Avengers films, because Marvel Studios would have been infringing another studio's legally-owned property if they had, and would have been sued. And at the time, Marvel Studios had no way to see into the future and know whether or not they'd ever acquire the rights to the FF. Well, now they have, and they can easily go back and retcon the FF into the MCU if they want.
That doesn't make any sense.
There is not going to be an in universe scene in an upcoming Avengers film where Captain Marvel turns to Dr Strange (or whatever characters are left now!) and says "hey, how come we never heard of these fantastic four guys before?" And the reply comes "Well you do realise that we're just characters in a movie and that our studio just didn't have the rights to these guys before but they do now!".
So yeah, they're actually going to have write an explanation as to why they didn't exist in the MCU before...
Exactly. The multiverse solves all future plotting (and casting) issues.
shareNo, they'll just have to make some explanation as to why they they didn't mention them in the MCU before. And sorry, it's not hard to come up with an explanation. If they do set the FF movie in the early sixties, same era the team originally appeared in the comics, think about how long ago that is. Let's say Reed Richards in this movie is forty -- almost a full decade younger than the actor who will be playing him in this film, who will turn fifty in three more months -- how old would he be in 2012, the year the first Avengers film was released, and in which the action takes place?
Yeah, he'd be around eighty. He'd be around ninety by the time of Endgame in 2023.
How likely do you think it would be that he'd still be out there on the front lines, fighting the forces of evil at that age? If he's even still alive.
If Reed is the same age as Pedro Pascal, then he's pushing a hundred years old by the time of Endgame.
All of the FF would be in rest homes by then, if they're still alive. They'd have been retired for decades by this point. Makes no sense? It's easy to explain why you wouldn't see them in the Avengers films, if the FF is postulated to have started up in the early sixties. That's three, almost four generations ago.
Na, sorry you're talking nonsense. There's literally a talking sentient robot in the trailer.
It's not our 1960s and the filmmakers have already acknowledged this.
But yeah, obviously they wouldn't have been active by the time of the avengers films even if this wasn't the case... π
Na, sorry you're talking nonsense. There's literally a talking sentient robot in the trailer.
So what? In the movies, they advance technology by decades or even centuries regularly. In 2001: A Space Odyssey, the HAL-9000 computer is supposed to have existed a quarter century before our present time, and it exhibits a level of self-awareness and independent intelligent far in advance of anything we have in the real world even now. In Blade Runner, they postulated not mere clones of human beings, but artificial organic replica humans, stronger, faster, more agile, more intelligent, and as smart or smarter than natural-born humans. We are probably centuries away from being able to make stuff like that, if we ever can. In the MCU, Tony Stark is able to build a fully sentient AI (Jarvis) decades beyond anything the real world can realize, and a suit of powered armor that can be assembled on his body as he walks around the room, and he can fly for hours in it, even though it has no fuel storage to contain the reaction mass he would need for the rocket propulsion the suit uses, even though it needs no ground crew of technicians the way, say, a much simpler fighter jet needs. Real world rocket packs, with huge, backpack-sized fuel tanks can allow you to stay in the air for around thirty or forty seconds, and travel couple or three hundred yards, but Iron Man can fly with F-15 fighters, and that doesn't bother you.
Sorry, your argument amounts to "this can't be because it's ridiculous, handwavium technology from sixty years ago that didn't exist, that's stupid. But ridiculous, handwavium technology from today that doesn't exist... well, that's different."
No. No it's not. The movies don't represent technological limitations realistically. They never have, but it's supposed to be a deal breaker now? I don't think so. share
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Okay, so we're both half right. It's in a different universe, but it's also in the 1960s like I said.
shareNobody said it wasn't set in the 1960s (because it obviously is!).
So that makes the only "half" anything your comments. Half arsed...
I think he's an autist.
shareOn the other hand, your comment is entirely rude. For someone else who was half-right, it was Mike Tyson, when he pointed out "Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it." It wasn't just social media; it was the whole internet.
shareIt was a joke based upon your "we're both half right" comment. I wasn't "half" anything...
If I had wanted to be entirely rude I would have jumped upon the other reply to my last comment but clearly you didn't have enough respect to appreciate that.
Spare me. You don't have the moral high ground. You cannot make a comment like that -- one that any rational person will almost certainly construe as disrespectful, and then claim you're the one being disrespected when someone does just that. Stop playing the victim.
shareI'm quite sure any rational person will be able to read through this thread and spot any irrationality on display no problem.
You said something which was stupid. I pointed that out. I then made a joke at your attempt to save face but didn't jump aboard other people commenting upon your potential mental state. And that's it.
I 100% do not feel like "the victim" here in any sense...
It wasn't "an attempt to save face." Nothing I said was "stupid" -- that's you being an asshole. Again. There's nothing "stupid" about observing that the new FF movie might be set in the same universe, merely in the past, when you haven't read anything official that indicates otherwise, especially when we've seen precisely that sort of thing done before with X-Men: First Class.
There are polite, diplomatic ways to point out when someone might be wrong. You didn't use any of them.
You're just an asshole. That's all.