Daniel shoulda won.
Seriously.
shareMy choice, too. By far.
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He was as good a model as any of the others, better than many, and smarter than every one of them. The only one to come close in brains was Angela and she was definite way behind him. They nixed him because he is 31 and, by the industry's standards, way too old to begin a career.
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They nixed him because he is 31 and, by the industry's standards, way too old to begin a career.
not for a male model. some male models have started their careers in their 40's, they have a longer life span in the industry. he photographed pretty good and is getting work now, but his catwalk was off. they eliminated him to make way for the vj and andre showsown. share
Actually, he's 28. On his birthday episode, it said, 28. Yup. He defiantly should of won. I was so ticked off when he was sent home. Damn judges. Damn VJ for giving him the crappy 1 minute...
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I wanted him to win at first, but then he kept throwing those hissy fits. I was actually glad he went home when he did.
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I swear, someone said "happy 24" on the birthday episode. That's a bit young considering his educational credentials but I could have sworn...
shareI beg to differ. 31--he turned 32 during the contest--is absolutely too old to BEGIN as a model with any expectation of actual success. That's not my opinion or feeling. It's industry standard. I am not talking of someone who worked in the business from an early age and THEN hit success after 30.
I am asking for names of those who started that late and achieved success as a model. I would ask you to name 3 exceptions.
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I beg to differ. 31--he turned 32 during the contest--is absolutely too old to BEGIN as a model with any expectation of actual success. That's not my opinion or feeling. It's industry standard. I am not talking of someone who worked in the business from an early age and THEN hit success after 30.
I am asking for names of those who started that late and achieved success as a model. I would ask you to name 3 exceptions.
oh i can name more than three. clearly you do NOT know about male modeling. there are all sorts of genres in male modeling from fashion to catalog to industry. i've worked at fashion shows and i even interned briefly at a male modeling agency. there is a big difference in women's modeling and men's modeling. women have a shorter span and get paid a great deal. men have a longer span and can start modeling well into their 40's and even 50's, but get paid significantly less.
brian hulce(began in his late 30's), john enos (late 20's), john ingle (50's), patrick lao(30's), john foster(30's), tracy james(late 20's), robbie brooks (30's)
and in case you try to play the "i've never heard of any of them" card.....here you go, john enos was huge in the early 90's modeling for everyone from versace to gaultier. john foster was the muse of steven meisel and did many dolce e gabanna campaigns, brian hulce hosted a modeling show on bravo and still models well into his 50's, tracy james was the first model for 2 x ist's first ad campaign and robbie brooks is still a popular catalog model for urban clients and even did a target commercial recently. share
Enos and James cannot be counted since, by your own admission, they were in their 20s. That leaves Hulse, Ingle, Lao and Brooks. 4. Good. Thanks. Foster cannot be counted by virtue of his "muse" status, which is a nice word for what we all know and anyone can get work for a brief time when one is connected to a designer (this is true for many--Mike Edwards has his Priscilla Presley live-in-lover-tell-all-book to boost his profile). Hulse hosted a crummy and highly suspect modeling show on Bravo--so he comes to wider fashion FAME from television and not primarily from the runway, although he has years of work behind him. So we're back to 3. That's what I asked for and that's what you gave, so I grant you that. However, the dearth of real examples of well-known male models beginning after the age of 30 and making it big in the industry only proves my point.
I am, perhaps, not as well versed in fashion as you apparently are, apprentice though you were. However, I did print modeling for a couple of years a very long time ago. I started at 24 and was told that I was already too old to get runway work and that I might possibly expect to do some catalogue work, but not to count on it. I was also not tall enough. I was an actor anyway and only sought to use the modeling to advance that goal, which I did. I subsequently worked at 2 casting agencies, one small and one large (in Dallas--have you heard of the Dallas Apparel Mart, sweetie?) and saw plenty of men--really great-looking, sexy men--who were turned away left and right because they no longer looked to be in their late teens. Some were, in fact, told that they might possibly resurface after the age of 35 or 40 because that was an undiscovered but growing market one might expect to find and fill in catalogues and magazines. With rare exceptions, they might also do runway work but it would likely be for a special occasion (charity and fund-raising events whose target participants were early middle age men with money to spend) or for the exceptionally rare designer who didn''t want to market his or her designs to young men only. None of this changes my mind, and you can differ as much as you wish.
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John Foster was a Dolce & Gabanna model all through the 90s, he was and still is a Boss Model and is now well into his late 40s still doing print work. Bruce Hulse began modeling in the 70s and was well past his 30s. He still runway work to this day. He even mentioned this when he hosted a TV show a few years ago. The previous poster is correct, men have a longer lifespan in the industry. You mention something about 'well known male models'... well, there are NONE except Schenkenberg and Beckford. That's why the industry's rules (and pay) are different for the men. Very few break out and become stars. So if you're looking for the person to name you some male model stars that hit it big after 30, he can't because there aren't any. There are, however, TONS of male models who work regularly and who began modeling after the age of 30. Very few male models PERIOD become stars and household names.
Here's one they left off though, Mike Edwards. He was a huge model in the late 70s and modeled all through the 80s. He didn't start modeling until 1976, when he was 31. You may not have heard of him but you've seen him whether you know him or not. Jack Scalia is another one. He eventually became a popular soap actor. The list goes on...
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I knew Scalia briefly from working on a t.v. movie in the early 80s. He was still great looking and very pleasant & professional. Dazzling smile. Modeling aside, I believe he was essentially "discovered/mentored" by none other than ... Rock Hudson.
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Pickel should have won
shareI agree, we was BY FAR the smartest one.
shareDaniel just needs always look sultry/smoldering and never, EVER smile. Lol
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