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This and the original movie were good, but the third was disappointing.


That's my opinion anyway. I grew up as a kid watching the G1 cartoon on weekday mornings before school, so I'm a fan of the franchise from way back first of all but I'm interested to know why so many people think this movie was *beep* and the 3rd was so good? To me the 3rd was a wasted opportunity because Bay introduced Shockwave and instead of having him have an actual productive, useful role like collaborating with Megatron and Sentinel Prime and being the wise tactician he is portrayed as in other Transformers media, all Bay has him do is smash *beep* up everywhere with his driller and gives him one line in the whole film. A complete waste of the character.

In addition to this there's then the problem of the Sam Witwicky character. In the first 2 films he is mildly amusing if eccentric but in this he escalates to a whole new level of stupidity where he becomes an erratic, screaming bitch over-acting in almost every scene he's in.

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Personally I absolutely LOVE the first two, and I agree that Dark of the Moon wasn't as good. It definitely grows on me each time I watch it though.

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I'd say that ROTF is by far, hands down the worst of the live-action series. I'll start with the TF designs of the characters introduced in this movie that really bugged me.

The incredibly annoying unsymmetrical twins that dominated the amount of TF CGI time yet contributed NOTHING to move the story along. The whole ignorant thug thing just wasn't working with me. The annoying mini-Autobot, not having his eyes and mouth in his face and not having his face inside his head truly hurt his believability as a actual character as much as his own over the top stereotypical personality. He came off as nothing more then a baby toy if you ask me.

As for the villains that I guess was suppose to be playing the part of the Decepticons. Nothing more then generic metallic humanoid monsters. None of them retained any features that would reveal their alt modes. Doors, hoods, wings, tailgates, fenders you know all the things that made Transformers different from every other childhood hero vs. bad guy story.

Megatron who answered to NOBODY in the incarnation that the live-action version was suppose to be based off of now has a master, WTF!?

The parents... I wouldn't know where to start with picking them apart. No point having them within the movie, eat a brownie immediately get high!? Not only was she told about the refer snacks she unknowingly consumes pot brownies anyways? Dogs humping!? Maybe your into that kinda thing, I don't know. Longtime fans of Spider-man, Batman, X-Men get to see their heroes up on the big screen in a live-action format. None of them have to witness this vulgar scene just why is it TF fans should!?

To wrap it up, the US Military saves the day. Leaving out main characters like Ironhide, Ratchet... was Ratchet even in this!? Sideswipe had a really short scene somewhere towards the opening of the movie. That Chevrolet Beat & Trax which dominated so much of the TF screen time yet we NEVER even see them transform in the movie named "Transformers".

Just how is it that anyone can defend this movie is beyond me. The 1st movie I liked, it had potential. The third, was good still had room for improvement much like the fourth. Their just isn't anything salvageable from the ROTF.

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The incredibly annoying unsymmetrical twins that dominated the amount of TF CGI time yet contributed NOTHING to move the story along. The whole ignorant thug thing just wasn't working with me.


I found Skids and Mudflap ok myself. They were harmless comedy relief (all the racist claims are unsubstantiated,erroneous and baseless) and while they didn't do much to move the story along, it pales in comparison to the transgressions commited in DoTM where Shockwave is completely wasted and doesn't "move the story along" either. In fact he's incredibly one-diminsional in that all he does is smash *beep* up with his driller and utter one word in the whole movie instead of being the brilliant tactician and strategist that he is in other Transformers media.

The annoying mini-Autobot, not having his eyes and mouth in his face and not having his face inside his head truly hurt his believability as a actual character as much as his own over the top stereotypical personality. He came off as nothing more then a baby toy if you ask me.


You mean Wheelie? He was based off a little car in the original G1 cartoon and was an amusing addition to this movie. The idea that his alt mode was a radio controlled car was a good concept that worked given his size and no different than Frenzy transforming into a CD player in the original movie. Speaking of that, there wasn't exactly many visible components of Frenzy's CD player mode visible when he was in robot form but I don't see you complaining about that... The scene where Wheelie gets snapped in the mouse traps and gets shoved in the can and held prisoner are pretty good.

As for the villains that I guess was suppose to be playing the part of the Decepticons. Nothing more then generic metallic humanoid monsters. None of them retained any features that would reveal their alt modes. Doors, hoods, wings, tailgates, fenders you know all the things that made Transformers different from every other childhood hero vs. bad guy story.


Huh? In the original G1 cartoon, most of the time you didn't even see the wheels of the transformers that had vehicle alternate modes when they were in robot form. This is a moot point at any rate, because let's look at the main decepticons in this movie:

The Fallen; Does not even seem to have an alternate mode, but whatever it was, it would have been Cybertronian anyway.

Megatron; In this movie his alternate mode is a Cybertronian tank. No earth vehicle parts to recognise.

Starscream; In robot mode, you can see plenty of the earth Jet features.

Constructicons; You can see plenty of wheels, doors, hoods, tailgates on these guys in robot mode, especially on Long Haul.

Megatron who answered to NOBODY in the incarnation that the live-action version was suppose to be based off of now has a master, WTF!?


That's not a big issue. Megatron is the leader of the Decepticons but he, himself still answers to The Fallen.

The parents... I wouldn't know where to start with picking them apart. No point having them within the movie, eat a brownie immediately get high!? Not only was she told about the refer snacks she unknowingly consumes pot brownies anyways? Dogs humping!? Maybe your into that kinda thing, I don't know. Longtime fans of Spider-man, Batman, X-Men get to see their heroes up on the big screen in a live-action format. None of them have to witness this vulgar scene just why is it TF fans should!?


Once again the parents/Mojo were harmless comedy relief to take the edge of the serious nature of everything else that was going on.

To wrap it up, the US Military saves the day. Leaving out main characters like Ironhide, Ratchet... was Ratchet even in this!? Sideswipe had a really short scene somewhere towards the opening of the movie. That Chevrolet Beat & Trax which dominated so much of the TF screen time yet we NEVER even see them transform in the movie named "Transformers".


The military ASSISTED the Autobots in the final battle in Egypt, they didn't "save the day". Bumblebee, Jetfire, Ironhide and Prime all kick their share of arse at the end there. Which characters are you referring to in the second part of that paragraph by the way that we supposedly never get to see transform?

Just how is it that anyone can defend this movie is beyond me. The 1st movie I liked, it had potential. The third, was good still had room for improvement much like the fourth. Their just isn't anything salvageable from the ROTF.


Just how anyone can defend DoTM is beyond me. RoTF very much follows along in the spirit of the original film and has that awesome fight scene where Prime takes on Grindor, Megatron and Starscream at once, whereas DoTM is too long and drawn out, changes the Sam whitwicky character from an amusing if slightly hyperactive protagonist into a squaling, whining, neurotic, over the top little bitch. It also completely WASTES the character of Shockwave. Instead of him having play a role of a brilliant tactician and strategist (as he is depicted in other transformers media) working with Megatron and Sentinel in their plan to rebuild Cybertron what do we get? We get Shockwave doing nothing whatsoever to "move the story along". No, all he does is smash *beep* up with his driller and utter one word in the whole movie. As a result he was a completely wasted character.

Oh yes, and ON TOP OF THAT I almost forgot Bay's unnecessary and idiotic re-naming of Wheeljack and Mirage to Que and Dino. Urgh. Why do that? DoTM has A LOT more issues stopping it from being a great film than RoTF ever will, for the reasons covered above.


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Because this was a decent movie and a lot better than DoTM in my opinion, for reasons stated in previous posts.



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Skids and Mudflap were a complete and total waste of cgi time and nothing more! Their one and only goal in ROTF was to enhance the negative side of a racial demographic to the absolute lowest point.

At no point did I ask what Wheelie was or about his origin. His design of his free floating eyes and mouth with no face was an incredibly poor look. Just how was it that they came up with that. Was their a contest for the absolute worst design held in elementary school?

Whining about Shockwave isn't helping your case either. I'm pretty sure the live action version gave Shockwave more screen time then he had ever gotten in the first two seasons of TF. Shockwave also had more screen time then Ironhide had in ROTF, Shockwave had more screen time then Sideswipe in ROTF and Shockwave had more screen time then Rachet. Wait, I'm still not sure Rachet's in ROTF.

G1 the series that originated this all was based on characters that had a humanoid look {two legs, two arms, torso, head} that was also a combination of Earth products, Earth products that you could identify combined into said characters.

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^ villains given to the long time TF fans for the climatic fight

When else has any childhood hero vs. bad guy story ever had to endue dog humping? When!?

You don't see that in Batman, you don't see that in Spider-man, X-Men, Ironmam no other fans have ever had to call that juvenile toilet humor, comedy. Maybe that's something your into, maybe that's something you watch but in all honesty most of us don't.

Transformers Prime: Darkness Rising {if you haven't seen it, WATCH IT!} is animation directed at children, it had a more mature, deeper, darker storyline then ROTF, that's inexcusable!

Transformers Return Of The Fallen is by far the worst of the series but don't take my word for it

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