It was never Prime's primary (I made a funny, har har) goal to destroy the all-spark - it was his goal to retrieve it, put it in safe hands, and then use it to rebuild Cybertron. Destroying the all-spark was merely Prime's mission of last resort should they fail in securing it. And you give me gripe for not paying attention to the movie?
Did you forget the scene where Sam had a brief conversation with Prime just before he gave his, "One will stand, one will fall" line? With the all-spark in Sam's hands standing over Prime? Why not just destroy the cube right then and there? Instead, Prime fights Megatron? So....if it WAS already established that Prime didn't NEED to defeat Megatron to accomplish his goal of destroying the all-spark (as you assert), this again proves LAZY writing on Bay's part. If it was the goal of Prime to destroy the all-spark, and if the opportunity was there (and it was), why would Prime FIGHT Megatron after talking to Sam who was standing there WITH the all-spark?
Thank you for proving my point.
So, back to the main point of this thread: Destroying Megatron and thwarting the decepticon attack at Mission City would have accomplished the goal of SECURING the all-spark and using it to rebuild Cybertron. With Prime kicking the ass of so many decepticons in the 2nd film, it makes ZERO SENSE why he would purposefully hold back in a one-on-one fight with Megatron in the 1st film because he was concerned about collateral damage. If he displayed the fighting prowess he had in the 2nd film, not holding back, he could have saved ALL of Earth while ALSO saving his own planet and, more than likely, would have also eliminated the decepticon threat FOREVER. Those would have been acceptable losses, if you ask me.
Instead, in such a key, a decisive battle, he holds back in his life-or-death fight against Megatron? At least, that is the assertion by some here that are trying to rationalize why Prime seems so much more powerful in the 2nd film.
Personally, I don't think he was holding back in the 1st film. I felt he genuinely was getting his ass kicked by Megatron, and Bay got some flak from the fan boys because of it, so he went and made Optimus UBER powerful in the 2nd film to make them happy. I think that's the best explanation, personally.
Lazy writing. It's just that simple.
Also, why would the military need to established short-range communication with the nearest big city? What is so special about doing that specifically with a city? Why not do it with the nearest military base? What, the local television stations are secret military installations? If I remember correctly, the reason they took it to Mission City was to hide the all-spark there. Of course, by taking the all-spark there, they should have known the decepticons would have TORN THE CITY APART and killed possibly hundreds of thousands of people trying to look for it.
And again, if the purpose of taking the all-spark to Mission City was to hide it there, why would they then have Sam try to rendevouz with a helicopter to transport it out of there? What good is a minimally-armed helicopter against giant, evil robots with laser weapons that can FLY? Oh wait, that's right...it's NO good, as evidenced by the fact that helicopter was practically vaporized. And again, I ask, why try to transport it out of there when the whole reason for it being there in the first place was to HIDE it? Again, makes ZERO sense. LAZY WRITING.
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Helen_Kay
14 years ago
I felt he genuinely was getting his ass kicked by Megatron, and Bay got some flak from the fan boys because of it, so he went and made Optimus UBER powerful in the 2nd film to make them happy. I think that's the best explanation, personally.
Yes, it was pretty obvious Optimus was getting his ass kicked by Megatron; everything suggests it. Also, yes, the fanboys' complaints COULD have been part of the reason for Optimus' power in Trans 2.
Keep in mind, though, it was actually critical to the whole plot to make Optimus, as a Prime, perhaps the most powerful single bot out there, because of the Fallen's statement "only a Prime can defeat me", which became utterly essential to the plot and why there was the huge quest to resurrect Optimus.
I agree with you - LAZY WRITING. Bay fell in love with this idea and wrote himself into a corner where he had to make Optimus quintessential.
Of course, no one ever explained why the Fallen couldn't have just been ganged up on and destroyed the way Optimus was, by damage taken from multiple bots.
It also didn't explain why the allspark fragment used to bring the blackbird back to life couldn't have also done the same for Optimus, as it was able to do so for Megatron.
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AdrFax
14 years ago
You're missing the point that to resurrect Megatron, it was necessary to kill at least one robot to provide parts for him, so it's not just the shard that brought him back. Also the size of the fragments differ. The one Sam had is just a splinter, while the one the Decepticons stole was quite bigger, almost like a rock. As the FAQ's section says, resurrecting Optimus that way would require the death of one of their comrades (the autobots) and after that he would still need to combine with Jetfire, so using the Matrix would avoid sacrificing another Autobot.
Also, you have to consider that Megatron was "killed" because the power of the All-Spark clashed with his own spark, causing an immediate shutdown, so to speak. Then another fragment of it could reactivate Megatron's spark and it could feed on the fragments of the All-Spark that originally killed him, rendering him stronger. But when Optimus is killed, his spark gets slashed and blasted through, thus a mere shard wouldn't be enough to resurrect him, as Megatron (by personal experience) would know that he needed to cause critical damage to avoid a possible resurrection from taking place anytime soon.
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