Age aint nothin but a number - Eden Lake (2008) Discussion

[–] shanayneigh 10 years ago

Stabbing someone in the gut is a good way to kill him. Did it make you proud to maybe have killed a kid no older than 15?

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[–] amigoami 9 years ago

Stabbing someone in the gut is a good way to kill him. Did it make you proud to maybe have killed a kid no older than 15?

You ever heard of "self defense"? It has nothing to do with age.

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[–] shanayneigh 9 years ago

Yes, because the claim of self defense is a carte blanche... 

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[–] amigoami 9 years ago

Your non sequitur is dismissed, simpleton.

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[–] shanayneigh 9 years ago

I don't think you understand the meaning of the phrase non sequitur. Or self defense for that matter. Better luck next time, champ.

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[–] amigoami 9 years ago

A comically ironic response from a simpleton.

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[–] shanayneigh 9 years ago

It seems like someone's record is broken.

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[–] johnbayer79 9 years ago

And why question my story, so in reality I'm a maniac who stabbed a kid but makes a false claim of self defense on IMDb to give me reason? What sense does that make? NONE

What sense does it make to assume that four thugs running full speed at you with fists clenched are friendly?

Self defense is exactly a carte Blanche, I'm not talking about in the court I'm just saying that if threatened I will do whatever I can to save my life.I'll draw a line in the sand and give you an out, if you're stupid enough to proceed and you were to die I'd honestly believe Darwin would approve of your bloodline coming to an abrupt end as it benefits society. As I said earlier I am not a monster but I DO have one locked away like the Kraken if you unleash it it's your problem.If everyone left me alone I'd be a nice guy 100% of the time. I don't feel sorry for anyone who tries to Rob me but I can't lie that the "Momma!!" cry isn't a sound bite that is forever trapped in my mind and does mess with me a tad or else I never would have made this thread. In the I've got to live with it not you and I have no problems looking in the mirror each day

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[–] iheartnormi 9 years ago

Stabbing someone in the gut is a good way to kill him. Did it make you proud to maybe have killed a kid no older than 15?

Are you serious? I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not. Regardless of his age if someone is coming at you with a weapon, it is idiotic not to do something-unless that is you have a death wish. A person even younger than 14 should know that hurting people is wrong. I don't think I have to go in to details about it. Sure, if I was in the position and I had to kill someone whether he was 15 or 51, I would definitely feel guilty, but at the end of the day he shouldn't have come at me with a knife.

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[–] shanayneigh 9 years ago

I'm indeed serious. Stabbing someone in the gut is a very good way to kill a person. What did you not understand about that?

And read his post again. Nowhere does he say that the kid was the one brandishing a weapon.

You can stab as many people as you like, just be ready to deal with the consequences.

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[–] owlfy 9 years ago

Stabbing someone in the gut is a good way to kill him. Did it make you proud to maybe have killed a kid no older than 15?

So you're going to let 4 hoodlums attack you, possibly intending to kill you and not defend yourself with a weapon if available? What was he suppose to do, drop down on his knees and beg for mercy?

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[–] shanayneigh 9 years ago

By all means, go ahead and stab someone in the gut with a concealed weapon and try to explain it with self defense. I hope you'll enjoy prison.

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[–] activista 9 years ago

Seriously? What part of he said he did it only in self-defense did you not understand? Like he said, what the hell else was he supposed to do---let those thugs beat him to a pulp, and possibly have killed him,too? I mean, c'mon, be for real here.

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[–] shanayneigh 9 years ago

If you think the claim of self defense is a carte blanche I hope you'll enjoy proson.

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[–] owlfy 9 years ago

You sound very ignorant when it comes to laws. Defending yourself from 4 attackers is not going to equal a prison sentence. You have every right to defend yourself anyway possible if you feel your life is in danger. In my state you're allowed to carry a concealed pocket knife. Using it as self-defense is allowed if proven that your life was at stake.

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[–] shanayneigh 9 years ago

Yes, and good luck proving self defense and that deadly force was necessary when you're the first one to use force in the situation. Actually, the ones attacking you might be able to claim self defense since you were the one to use deadly force.

The claim of self defense is not a carte blanche. People seem to have watched too many movies.

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[–] owlfy 9 years ago

Yes, and good luck proving self defense and that deadly force was necessary when you're the first one to use force in the situation.

It's not one, but four individuals approaching and threatening you. If you decide to let them strike first there will be no defending yourself. As it states, you are allowed to use deadly force when presented with no other option. I would like to think four deadbeats cornering you is good enough reason to believe your life is on the line.

Actually, the ones attacking you might be able to claim self defense since you were the one to use deadly force.

So suddenly a single guy got cocky and attacked four people? It wouldn't fly. I'm glad you would allow them to attack you first. I really hope you're never in that situation as you would be severely injured or killed.

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[–] shanayneigh 9 years ago

It's not one, but four individuals approaching and threatening you. If you decide to let them strike first there will be no defending yourself. As it states, you are allowed to use deadly force when presented with no other option. I would like to think four deadbeats cornering you is good enough reason to believe your life is on the line.

Sure, but it's your words against theirs. If you read this guy's story, it seems like he's the one who used force first as he felt threatened. Sure, according to his story they charged him, but as far as one can tell he's the one who used physical force first. The objective facts based on what he told us and supposing there are no eye witnesses to back up his claims is that someone got stabbed by him, while he seems to have suffered no physical injuries. Good luck claiming self defense.

If someone runs screaming in your direction down the street, does that give you the right to shoot him because you feel threatened?

So suddenly a single guy got cocky and attacked four people?

Like that has never happened?

It wouldn't fly. I'm glad you would allow them to attack you first. I really hope you're never in that situation as you would be severely injured or killed.

It could indeed fly. Even if the party of four beat this guy up, they might still claim self defense as he was the one who escalated to deadly force. And you still have to prove they attacked you in the first place. And like I said earlier, judging from his story, the only objective fact is that someone got stabbed by him.

People who think a claim of self defense is a carte blanche have watched too many movies.

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[–] owlfy 9 years ago

If someone runs screaming in your direction down the street, does that give you the right to shoot him because you feel threatened?

No it doesn't, but we're talking about numerous assailants, not a single attacker. They pose a far greater risk. He could be lying, we can't be certain, but personally I would never let an aggressor assault me first if I can stop it. If I do get charged for manslaughter/murder by chance, so be it, better than lying in the ground pushing up daisies. I'm not going to give up my rights to defend myself at any cost.

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[–] shanayneigh 9 years ago

Well, I wish you the best of luck.

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[–] wakedemons3 9 years ago

You're a complete imbecile. What he says he did is 100% legal, and encouraged, in all 50 states and they would give him a medal for it.

Are you not entertained?!

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[–] shanayneigh 9 years ago

Sure, stabbing people willy nilly is super legal.

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[–] johnbayer79 10 years ago

Shanayneigh first off I've wished I could delete this post since I woke up hung over and found I'd made this drunken confession. To answer your question I'm not proud of what I've done,BUT I'm not sorry either. I guess you'd rather I had gotten jumped by four thugs. They chose to mess with me not the other way around.

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[–] BigRich 9 years ago

Shanayneigh first off I've wished I could delete this post

What's stopping you from deleting it now? Just click the "edit" button and select deleted.

I tell you what, if someone reports the thread, your account will be deleted. You just admitted to attempted murder!

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[–] johnbayer79 9 years ago

murder schmurder if I wanted to kill someone I'd go for the jugular. I simply didn't want to be messed with and feel that ANYONE who feels that THEY are more entitled to MY hard earned cash they are entitled to a poke if they don't have the common sense to know that i will use the weapon in my hand. I gave them a chance to leave me alone they knew I had a knife yet still proceeded to try. That's their fault. Have you ever been beaten by multiple assailants?? I have. I guess I coulda thrown fists with 4 people but once you get a couple of stunning blows to the head (you can't block em all) you're on the ground in a fetal position so you don't get your ribs cracked while also trying to protect your head. Screw that! I don't WANT to stab anyone but I have (more times than i can count on one hand) & i will if it comes down to it.

As for this edit button all I see is REPLY, IGNORE (which is about to be used) & REPORT

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[–] HOKfilms 9 years ago

Looks like a clear case of self defense to me.

But the fact that you were carrying a knife, me thinks your a bit of a thug yourself. lol

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[–] johnbayer79 9 years ago

Me a thug? No, thugs are unmotivated lazy societal vampires who prey on hard working citizens. A knife is not just a weapon it's also a iut useful tool, plus I live in the south where everyone carries a pocket knife.I walk alone at night too much to not have a little protection.

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[–] johnbayer79 10 years ago

I'd hope anyone I have to defend myself from would be over 18 but it doesn't always work out that way. They brought it themselves I didn't seek out a kid and do that. I'm not a complete monster, I just have one locked away like the ket in case of emergency. 4on1 isn't exactly good odds, you do what you have to to get it a little more even. I work hard for the little money I have and fight to keep it. If its one or two people the knife stays in the pocket and I'm swinging fists. 3 or more that ain't a fair fight, neither is a blade but damn if i started this altercation. It is what it is I ain't exactly Iko and real life ain't like The Raid. Once again I wish I never posted this and this will be the last time I'll address this post with you or anyone. Let it die and get buried in the board

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[–] thewildfire 9 years ago

You do a lot of drunk posts don't you? And on this movie alone!

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[–] johnbayer79 9 years ago

The irony is that I rarely even post anything here. This movie struck a chord with me or else I wouldn't have viewed it several times in a week after my first viewing.

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[–] ardrejeris 9 years ago

It doesn't matter 15 years old or older. Scum is scum. That was a great lesson for them.

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[–] johnbayer79 9 years ago

I haven't been working in the movie industry since 92 but I've lived in the real world since the ass end of the 1970's. Feel free to judge something you know nothing about. I'm glad you don't live in neighborhoods filled with societal vampires but I do. I've fought WAY more folks who I've stabbed but what I'm not gonna do is let my defenses down.These guys had been following me taunting me and finally got the balls to charge saying "let's get this ***". If you don't know what they meant you're even more idiotic than your screen name sounds.

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[–] thulk01 9 years ago

You clearly did the right thing, I don't know why you keep defending yourself. It's honestly really sad that some people would just stand there and let themselves be attacked and possibly killed. This new "I will be the bigger man and let my attacker kill me" attitude is so ridiculous. The problem is many people don't understand the concept of accountability because they've never had to deal with it themselves, plus society now caters a lot more to people like that. In a few countries now burglars who have gotten injured while committing their burglaries have successfully sued the property owners for not making their properties more burglary-friendly; as long as governments and societies encourage this type of behavior that promotes lack of responsibility, more and more people will start engaging in it and thinking it's right.

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[–] Bobby_vs_Satan 8 years ago

We all hope for eventually becoming a more civilized, peaceful society but right now there are many who will take what you have, including your life, for no more than they felt like it at the time. It's not pessimism or cynicism to be able and willing to protect yourself. Possible lawsuits and jail time mean nothing if you or your loved ones could be paralyzed, brain injured, sexually assaulted or killed. I'm not really into weapons so I choose other methods like good environmental self awareness and avoidance of un-necessary, risky avenues of travel. There's no need to be paranoid or dream up fantasy's of movie like retribution or violent defense but it pays to imagine (without cinematic enhancement) how you would act in certain scenarios so that when adrenalin or fear kicks in you're more likely to act with a good chance of success for escape or defense.

There is no pride and honor on the street. Just do what it takes. Running or moving away, no matter what is said to you is always a viable option unless it's taken away by an aggressive person or group. Do what it takes to be alive and well the next day. Including using a weapon.

People who would assault you or intend harm have forgone their rights to their own safety. No matter their age.

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