i has not been shown but was jenny raped also....because sick people tend to consider rape as a sort of weapon of revenge against woman.this movie left a sour taste in my mouth ,altough the man character didn't die in the end but it is implied that the main culprit was satisfied and happy in the end which is very sad and bad ending.
shareIts implied that she was raped by the fathers before they were going to kill her. I thought - and the director backs this up - that Brett actually did feel some remorse.
shareRemorse? That's why he put the sunglasses feeling like a really cool guy in the very end.
shareIf you see the look on his face before that he did seem disturbed by what had happened. He was trying to big himself up to make himself feel better but I felt that deep down he did feel guilt and that was apparently the intention.
shareAnd he also deleted all the images in the cellphone. You're being a bit naive to think people like that feel any remorse.
I'm still waiting for your reply in the other topic.
A person can not want to get caught but still feel remorse. They are just too much of a coward to face up to what they've done.
sharethis guys with the sun glasses is absolute monstrous character.i mean he burned alive that boy.he cannot feel remorse...in fact i am absolute surprised that he didn't rape jenny actually he hates jenny so much and he wanted revenge.
sharePeople have done equally terrible things as him and felt remorse.
shareI insist, you're too naive. Do you think someone who stabbed a hostage, burnt a kid to death and killed one of his own fellas by blows, will feel any remorse in the immediate time after? You don't think well or you're a troll.
sharePeople can do terrible things in a rage and running on adrenaline and feel remorse afterwards yes.
Want real life examples:
Take Robert Lewis co-pilot of Enola Gray after watching Hiroshima blowing up was at first caught up in the moment and yelled, "My God, would you look at that sonofabitch go!", but after he calmed down, Lewis wrote in his log, "My God, what have we done?"
when the hysteria of the Salem witch trials calmed down felt great remorse and prayed for forgivness
Serial killer Rose West was in floods of tears for weeks after she killed her daughter
Pamela Anderson said the man that raped her ran around the room screaming in remorse
Even if that wasn't possible we're talking about what happened in the film and in the film he was supposed to feel some remorse.
Oh yes, except this guy did at least three things, and very separated in time each one. And in none of them he felt sorry afterwards. You wanting -God knows why- to think something else, is your problem. Stop imagining things because that doesn't help to this discussion at all.
"in the film he was supposed to feel some remorse".
Says who??? Please watch the movie again and stop supposing. I'm honestly losing my patience with you.
A person can run on adrenaline and rage over a period of time in this case days. The Salem Witch Trials weren't a one off incident the travesties in them happened over a longer time space than Bretts travesties but people still felt remorse once the hysteria had worn off.
This is a discussion about a film. If you can't handle that without losing your patience then come back when you've grown up.
And the writer and director says that Brett did feel some remorse deep down at the end.
I lose my patience when people don't seem to think, and I'm talkin' about this topic and the "tension" one. If you insist to recall lots of examples that don't have anything to do with the movie, I'm afraid it's because you don't have any argument for the situation in the movie itself and it seems like you need the director to back your thoughts. I don't care if James Watkins, the movie director and writer, says Brett felt any remorse. He didn't show that -and you are just supposing he did it-, so justice was denied in the movie even to that extent. Even if Brett felt remorse for a second, that means nothing because he wouldn't change, let alone give himself up to the police.
shareYou're taking this way too seriously. If this is how worked up you get discussing a film I can't imagine what you're like when discussing important issues.
You said that people in general don't do terrible things then feel remorse. That is a general point and when someone makes a general point then it is logical to give general examples not one specific to the film.
No one said that Brett changed or he would give himself up as I said earlier people can feel remorse but be too cowardly to face up to the consequences of what they've done. If you want an example of Brett showing remorse in the film then watch the look on his face when his father drags Jenny off. If you still don't think he did fine. ITS JUST A FILM!
I don't wanna fight, but precisely since it's about a film, I think it doesn't matter to discuss with passion. In other subjects I use to give up much earlier, since they have to do with the set of values or the self esteem in a person, which I cannot change from mi pc.
Allright, in one of the previous posts I said people like him didn't feel any remorse, but to be more precise, maybe immediately don't feel any remorse, otherwise they wouldn't act the way they do. That remorse you saw in him in the end -if there was any, and I guess I have to watch the scene again-, must be pretty much like having runned over a cat or a dog in the street, a grief maybe in a couple hours would completely disappear. When he deletes his cellphone and put the glasses, you were just supposing he did it to give himself some courage, but I suggest you to take in account the "cat or dog" thing.
Thats an intelligent post. I don't think he immediately felt remorse but having calmed down felt some. Not as much as he should and he was still too much of a coward to face up to it. He might forget whats he's done or he might start to grow more of a conscience and feel haunted for the rest of his life.
I suppose its open to interpretation.
He definitely felt no remorse. He put on the sunglasses and smirked at himself in the mirror. End of discussion.
I'd agree with you, he knew his family would probably sort her out and cover his tracks.
shareAnd how are family going to do that? Are the police going to be the worse police in the history of policing or are all the family and friends going to say it's all logical and not suspicious at all. What a load of garbage.
shareI was saying as if in his stupid mind, obviously too many dead to blame on the couple, you just hope they would have got their just rewards.
shareHe didn't smirk he put on a defiant face like he was telling himself to tough it out.
The people who made the film intended it to be enigmatic as to whether he didn't care what he had done or was just pretending to himself he didn't.
I think you all are arguing over poor direction. I watched the ending over and over again just now and my assessment is that there was a small LOOK of remorse that the actor displayed in the mirror right before he deleted the phone files and put the tough guy cool glasses on.
But, like I said, it was poor direction and a bad choice to have him give that look, however slight it was, because he did commit so many monstrous acts consecutively without showing any signs of normal human sympathy or decency.
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He smirked. The makers might have intended it to be more ambiguous, but they didn't achieve that in how they directed the actor. He smirks, and it makes him seem completely remorseless, and more, he looks smug because he's gotten away with it all.
~ I hardly looked at his face. His knees were what I wished to see. ~
Correcto
shareNeither of you two here is the troll. It's good to see your arguments here.
shareYou can tell he's hurting inside in the shades scene. That's what I saw.
shareCalm down.
shareHe felt remorse, you say? That is laughable. A character like that should be erased from the earth.
Jesus Christ, you're one narrowminded individual. It's almost too clear that Brett DID feel some remorse at the end - he even yelled "No" to his dad when they dragged Jenny into the bathroom ( how could you even miss that? ).
Reminds me of the scene in the original The Last House on the Left, when Krug and the gang finally realize what they've done. Genius scenes, that show that these characters are HUMAN, not bloodthirsty animals.
Jesus Christ...
Destroy Hollywood.
Astro, you're wrong. He said "no" because he wanted to participate in whatever they were going to do with Jenny, and the father told him to go upstairs. No remorse there.
shareHe wanted to finish her off. No remorse. Only fucks given were that he couldn’t end her
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Exactly. And if someone had a hard time telling that he was the ring leader from start to finish, enjoying every second of it, then they might not be able to grasp what was going on. He’s clearly pushing his “friends” to do things they were not okay with doing, even if it was in the heat of the moment. And later killing his best friend, who later showed remorse whether it was sincere or for fear of being caught. Brett is a definition sociopath.
“The most incredible trait of a sociopath, is their complete lack of conscience, lack of empathy, remorse, guilt or shame. ... Sociopaths have no fear. They do not care what others think of them (unless it involves being exposed, which would affect their ability to con further).”
@Movieloverrrr.Exactly,What remorse?That boy is PROBABLY rotten to his core.
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It's not just used against women.
shareI think they simply killed her. She was very dirty and smelly at this point in the movie, and I think they just wanted to get rid of her fast. If she'd been molested it would have been by the kids much earlier in the woods, but that didn't happen. Maybe they would have if she had been knocked out for longer earlier.
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Still waiting for someone to point out when/how the kid showed remorse. An example please?
shareI assumed they did simply because it doesn't take three men in a locked room to kill a woman.
shareIt doesn't take 3 men to rape a woman either, especially one already tired, injured and weak.
What they said at the end implied they were going to kill her. That's it.
If she's already tired,inured, and weak, How long does it take for 3 grown men to kill her in a shower. We saw 1 can overpower her and keep her mouth shut by himself. But she was screaming from the time the door closed to the time Brett was looking in the mirror upstairs. I first thought they won't rape a smelly dirty and bloody woman. But ....shower rape. I don't remember hearing the shower running, but still.
shareIf she's already tired,inured, and weak, How long does it take for 3 grown men to kill her in a shower.
But she was screaming from the time the door closed to the time Brett was looking in the mirror upstairs.
But ....shower rape. I don't remember hearing the shower running, but still.