Rayraysworld, if you put your message board thread settings on 'nest,' it should clarify things for you.
What happened was that you clicked on the reply button belonging to diegoavilarodriguez's post, yet seemed to be speaking to me, so I wanted to confirm that it was me you were asking before answering. I'm sorry you thought this meant I was pompous or a troll. (You just did it again, by the way - you hit reply on mogonk's post, not mine, so I didn't get my usual email notification of a reply. I only realized you'd written me again when I happened to glance back at this board today.)
To answer your question, well, I suppose I'd prefer to be taken seriously, yes. :) I'm just thinking aloud here about what makes something a horror film to me, with an interest in hearing the opinions of others, differing or not.
FYI, I'm very far from the only person to believe Picnic At Hanging Rock falls within the horror genre (which is admittedly broad and varied). Several of the most passionate and erudite contributors to the Horror boards feel the same, not to mention film scholars, etc. And the three genres listed for PAHR on IMDb itself are Drama/Horror/Mystery, which seems to indicate a fairly widespread opinion in harmony with my own.
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rayraysworld
13 years ago
I simply replied to the last message on the thread as I have again done this time. That is the way this normally works so get with it. And stop patronising me with your 'nest' pointers please. Thank you. I can still put messages relating to earlier messages if I so wish but I always follow on from the last message so it helps the chronological flow. I did start with 'to the op' so you may have sussed it out. Excuse me if you never got your email notification lol. And you still sound incredibly pompous. And Picnic At Hanging Rock should never ever ever like ever ever be classed as a horror or anything near it.
You appear to have a 'holier than thou' attitude. I said I was not going to re-visit this thread but after seeing your arrogance come shining through on your last couple of messages, I was compelled to retort.
Back to the real crux of the thread though. Eden Lake has enough horror elements for many people to class it as horror. Wolf Creek is also possibly not a horror or Hostel if we are going by your judgement. But they give people chills or feelings of dread and have gore and violence and suspense so horror can be an apt genre for these afore-mentioned films.
You make it sound as if all horrors should have monsters in but then you say 'Picnic' is a horror. Come on.....please! Picnic has a scene where the girls are seen playing and it is a ghostly image of them and is quite a haunting scene. But it is not scary, there is no horror element and the rest of the film is like a crime investigation movie with again no elements of horror.
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zacattack9114
13 years ago
Rayraysworld, grow up. They were talking nicely and clearly you were being arrogant. Just because someone has a different opinion to you doesn't mean that they are arrogant. Just answer the damn question instead of being a jerk. You are the typical definition of a troll. At least everyone else on this thread answered the damn question. In my response to the question, I believe it is up to the person. Horror in my opinion is what provokes the human response of fear and brings to question elements of reality which doesn't just involve the supernatural but also that of human psychology aka the human condition, deep down a hidden form of fear or it could be an open form. Horror doesn't neccessarily mean people have to die and in my opinion there are many films like that which are a mix of gore and drama and should be classified as such and are to make people empathise with the protagonist, but they shouldn't always be considered as horror. Horror on the other hand is something that triggers that reaction which can make people visualise their fears and forces them to confront it. Even though it is a poem, the raven sums up that fear. A man who loses his sanity at the end rather than actually passing away. Horror in a way is supposed to have an element where the bounds of logic do not have to apply. Rayraysworld, supernatural doesn't mean monsters have to be in it. Supernatural can mean that it is beyond ones understanding. It applies elements that are beyond reasoning and it leaves many question open rather than answer them. In that sense, the op brings a valid point in that the supernatural is in many ways what makes a horror. A genuine horror will push us past our limitations where even the creator cannot even truly understand it. They make us feel naked, alone and that nothing can save us from that fear wherever it may come from. Horror can be summed up as this. To provoke a response of one's internal and external fears of something that they cannot explain. This doesn't mean that it incorporates unrealistic elements such as monsters or that stuff. What it does mean is that it is beyond our reasoning. Remember that before you make a definition on horror as well as the supernatural.
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rayraysworld
13 years ago
Lol.......I made no definitions based on my own opinions. I commented on others. You do sound rather pompous. Well written though.
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midnight_muse
13 years ago
Nicely said... I like the idea of horror being a place where the bounds of logic do not have to apply. This could apply to frightening and inexplicable human behavior (Eden Lake, Silence of the Lambs) as well as to the supernatural. You've given me more to think about. Thank you!
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Symarip
13 years ago
Oh, wow! You reply to the person YOU want to talk to, THAT is how it normally *beep* works. Replying to a random person and then expecting the OP to answer it is how ignorant douchebags work.
The worst thing is that the OP actually did respond to you, twice, and you're still acting like an *beep* Unbelievable.
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