Chance died for one BIG lie...nothing else. What is the point of giving your life for a lie anyway???
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Thank you. The most true statement on this forum.
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He died trying to save his buddies. He may have been in Iraq because of a lie, but none of that mattered when his convoy was attacked.
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well said Redwingjs
sharehow about you apologize for taking this film about Chance, and attempting to use it and twist it as a vehicle to spew your own fraked up politics.
This film is not about the right or wrong of the Iraq war. It is about a man who died serving his country (regardless of the justification, or lack thereof)
You don't see conservatives on here talking thier views of the war, Only their honoring of those who served.
Yet at every turn, liberals are using every opportunity to use this film to further their own agendas.
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You owe an apology to the Phelps family, the filmakers, and everyone who has ever lost a loved one in war (rightly or wrongly)
When you liberals do this, you are not caring about Chance, you are disrespecting him and others. you are just trying to use him as a tool for your own political views.
How about you and other liberals learn how to STFU and be respectful.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
Wow, you are truly the epitome of what's wrong with this country.
No matter how many times a "liberal" prefaces their comments by saying they totally support our troops and what a shame their sacrifice was for what is obviously one administrations personal agenda, you bash them for it.
I'm sorry for you that not every American chooses to blindly swallow what their government tells them is true. We can't all be mindless zombies like you. The ability to question our governments decisions is one of the things that makes the U.S. truly great.
No politician is perfect, but we deserve at the very least a government that doesn't lie to us and put our sons and daughters of the armed services in harms way to propogate that lie. When you're blinded by patriotism you tend to overlook the faults of your own government and the Bush administration wouldn't have it any other way. People like you are the reason Bush got re-elected, people who buy into the mass hysteria that September 11th created.
So now when people question the validity of the war, you accuse them of turning on their own countrymen, of being unpatriotic. You think these people owe the parents and family members of our fallen soldiers an apology? Are you serious? They just told you they feel for the families and what a horrible trajedy this was. I think your issue isn't about your concern for the families of the soldiers, your issue is with the besmirchment of our former leaders.
Maybe you should sit back and have a long hard think about this before you post your next comment. Definitely think about it before you reply to me, because I know for a fact that I love my country and I have the right and the obligation to question when it's being led in the wrong direction. And so does every other U.S. citizen including those who have posted on this forum.
No matter how many times a "liberal" prefaces their comments by saying they totally support our troops and what a shame their sacrifice was for what is obviously one administrations personal agenda, you bash them for it.
This forum has also been hijacked by people that think Chance died defending your country, and are happy to preach to the rest of us. Last time I checked Iraq and Afghanistan were a few thousand miles away from the US and neither country was ever in any position to threaten the US. I'm not demeaning Chance's death, he died protecting his friends in the belief he was serving his country which is as good as a reason as any, but while people still believe this whole promoting democracry crap, thousands more soldiers (and civilians) will die needlessly. If all those people who showed respect to the Colonel and his cargo got off their asses and demanded to know exactly what these people are dying for, that would be a real tribute to Chance's death.
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You dont have a fraking clue what the hell you are talking about.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
Last I checked the people we have been fighting in Afghanistan are those who are responsible for 9/11. We toppled the Taliban and they, as well as al Qaeda, are making a big push there.
I just got back from Iraq about 35 days ago and I can think of nothing more offensive than you saying that people who paid tribute to Chance should get off their asses and demand to know what he died for, because that would be a greater tribute. In Iraq we lived, breathed, fought and died for our brothers. Politics don't mean anything over there. Chance died for his brothers in arms. I promise you that if 99% of the fallen could tell you why they volunteered to go and fight they would say it was for their brothers.
If you really did go to Iraq - and the only reason I'm saying "if" is because your nick is "Comfortableliar" ;-) - then I want to say "thanks". I have a brother-in-law, cousin and several close friends who are there or were there and I appreciate your service, and the fact that you were helping to protect my loved ones. Your point is right on, but these types will never understand that. The only reason they ever inject their diatribes with respect for soldiers is because they know they'll get hammered otherwise. Never can they show true respect without the invariable "but" CGSailor mentioned that always prefaces their true purpose. They are fools that don't realize that some people can't be "negotiated" with, however if confronted with the stark realities of the truth, they would. Obama has sent more troops to Afghanistan because he finally saw the truth of the fact that he couldn't "negotiate" with everyone, and apologizing to the world ad nauseum wouldn't make the Taliban play nice and go away. That isn't to say he's learned his lesson, only that - in one tiny area - truth has kicked him in the seat of his pants.
At any rate, thanks again to both you and CGSailor.
"...nothing is left of me, each time I see her..." - Catullus
No. It's Bush who owe these people an apology...
shareSorry Jack*** but no.
Just because you make your opinion out to be a factual statement does not make it a fact.
You completely ignored the point of my post. and then make an outrageous claim.
The OP does owe the family an apology by turning this board about Phelps into a sounding board for his liberal agenda. The Movie was Apolitical and had nothing to do with the right or wrong of the war.
It has NOTHING to do with whether YOU THINK Bush owes an apology or not.
Take your politics and shove it up your (bleep)
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
Why does the OP owe an apology? He didn't didn't commit the crime of aggression. He's not responsible for the lives of millions. He didn't send troops to bomb and occupy territory illegally. He didn't lie and tell people that the 'enemy' had nuclear weapons.
shareYou Sir.. are a shining example of the stupidity and ignorance rampant among your far left liberal nutcases.
Lets break your stupidity apart for all to see shall we;
I am assuming your list of the OP didn't do this and didn't do that is in counterpoint that supposedly Bush DID do them.
Lets look at reality:
He didn't didn't commit the crime of aggression.
He's not responsible for the lives of millions.If you mean responsible as in it his duty as President to see that the citizens of the USA are safe.. you are correct. If you are meaning he is responsible for killing millions you are a fraking moron. You got him confused with Stalin or Hitler or Pol Pot.
He didn't send troops to bomb and occupy territory illegally.
He didn't lie and tell people that the 'enemy' had nuclear weapons.And neither did Bush. No one let alone Bush said that Sadam HAD nuclear weapons. He was attempting to GET nuclear weapons. What it was said that he DID have was other WMD's, Namely Chemical and Biological weapons. NOT Nukes. And that was not a lie either. At worst it was faulty intelligence. That does NOT make it a lie you fraking idiot.
The U.S. committed the crime of aggression, which is a blatant violation of the Geneva Conventions and Nuremberg Principles. So if a country says what they are doing is legal and just, despite international law saying otherwise then it's okay? So if I and six of my friends agreed to kill a family next door and created our own laws and statutes which says doing so is legal, despite the fact that state law says otherwise, then that would be okay? Saddam used chemical weapons on his people. Yes, this is true, except you forgot to mention that he was doing so WITH U.S SUPPORT.
"You got him confused with Stalin or Hitler or Pol Pot."
Well, if the shoe fits. He is a war criminal after all.
The U.S. did NOT commit a crime of agression. We were enforcing sanctions that Saddam FAILED TO COMPLY with after the end of the first gulf war (Desert Storm)
except you forgot to mention that he was doing so WITH U.S SUPPORT.
"You got him confused with Stalin or Hitler or Pol Pot."
Well, if the shoe fits. He is a war criminal after all.
In any case, Sailor, "Uncle Joe" & "Comrade Number One" did most of their killing during peacetime....no 'war criminal' monikers for them...
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So the U.S. did not support Saddam's regime well after his use of chemical weapons? Are you sticking with that story?
shareYeah....all those hundreds of Migs, Mirages, Sukhois, thousands of T54/T62/T72s; Millions of AKs, RPGs, scores of SAM 2/3/6/7, Katyushas from Russian, China & France...all those are NOTHING...
Last time I checked Saddam was not a stupid man. We gave them how many weeks before we actually went in and checked for them?
Now what kind of moron would leave WMD's just laying around waiting for the UN to come find them..
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Lack of knowledge and common sense in one, is an epic failure.
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If you want to be a smart ass, have some experience to back it up.
'I just got back from Iraq about 35 days ago and I can think of nothing more offensive than you saying that people who paid tribute to Chance should get off their asses and demand to know what he died for, because that would be a greater tribute. In Iraq we lived, breathed, fought and died for our brothers. Politics don't mean anything over there. Chance died for his brothers in arms. I promise you that if 99% of the fallen could tell you why they volunteered to go and fight they would say it was for their brothers.'
I have the utmost respect for you, I really do (and I'm trying to say that without sounding patronising). Pretty much all my male relations are military, and I would have joined myself if a severed cruciate ligament hadn't put paid to me ever running straight again, let alone joining up. That said, I am truly sorry if what I said offends you, but you agreed with my point that Chance died to protect his country and his fellow soldiers. What I cannot abide is the whole headlight-flashing BS and so on being a 'tribute'. If they thought that much of the hundreds of thousands that have died (including your own troops), they would have put every ounce of their energy into lobbying their Senator as I did my MP (Member of Parliament), instead of spending a whole two minutes out of one day saluting one soldier.
Did someone really bring up WMDs and invading Afghanistan because of 9/11? Bush gave up caring about using these as an excuse a long time ago. You just sound as stupid as him by bringing them up again. No-one, including Bush himself, even tries to pretend any more that WMDs or 9/11 had anything to do with invading Iraq or Afghanistan in the first place, mainly because they were incredibly lame excuses to start with. There a multitude of reasons that Iraq and Afghanistan were invaded, and they all involve generating billions of dollars.
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I was in the Air Force Reserve and flew some missions over iraq during the nineties when we had to enforce the no-fly zone. You know how many times I was lit up by radar?? Surface to air missiles and scud launchers, That is a threat but we had to ignore it.
You know I hear everyone blaming bush for everything, I don't hear anyone blaming the congress. They have to vote for bush to use force. A President can make war for a little under six months if he needs to.
Example Grenada and Panama, "short wars" The congress can look at intelligence reports also?? not just the president. It's been how many years we went into iraq and everyone is harping on WMD's. If the president lied then why didn't congress not vote for the war??
Iran is planning to get nukes, or they already have them. This is going to be world war 3 if they do get them. Isreal is not going to tolerate a country that hates them having nuclear weapons.
Hey I have heard many discussions about iraq and it's WMD's They did have them. because saddam hussein didn't want inspectors in to check, they may have come in on some occasions but he threw them out of the country. So what does that tell you??
I didn't think it was a good idea to go into iraq, I also didn't think it was bright just to use special forces to go into afghanistan in the beginning. Those guys are great but not for a conventional war.
I just have this to say, To all of you, Yeah we disagree in the military when force is not properly used. but we still fight regardless. I love this country. I would die for it. No if's and's or buts. This kid chance he wanted to do it, regardless if it's a lie or not. he wanted to fight.
We train for years on end, day in and day out that also in dangerous. You look at lists of people who died in training. You would think it was from war. That's all from me.
Just keep these soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines in your thoughts. Also their families.
I am just proud that we still have people that will go and fight for this country.
First of all u said u flew over Iraq and ur radar lit up... dude dont they have the right to defend themselves? Did Iraq openly threaten USA in the first place? Where was this Intelligence agency of USA... hey didnt knw that Iraq didnt have any weapons of mass destruction? Last i heard CIA was the top Intelligence agency of the world and it had no clue if Iraq had weapons of mass destruction of not... yes its sad when a soldier or for that matter a marine shown in this movie dies in the war... but USA invaded a country murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent human beings just because they had a hunch? Bush in the end said... OH I M SOO SORRY WE THOUGHT THEY HAD WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION... that is so comforting for the families of the innocent people murdered there m sure... Also u talk about Iran trying to acquire Nukes... so its only Israel that has the right to defend itself? Israel has weapons of mass destruction and can u guarantee that Israel will never use them? so why doesnt Iran has the right to defend itself? One more thing if USA really wanted to defend itself and all the only nation that has threated USA till now and is still the only nation that can attack USA is NORTH KOREA but i havnt seen USA doing anything about it... Why? because they actually have weapons? BTW this movie was awesome... this movie had nothing to do with the war in Iraq...
shareHAHAHAHA NORTH KOREA??? THEY only bitched about the Norks because it was something to complain about--Like A'Stan! IF Dubya or anybody else did anything to the Norks, the same idiots who said we should be 'doing something' would pitch the same bitch fit as with Iraq...
Besides....the main thing to worry about the Norks is their collapse into an East Asian version of Somalia...
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yeah but USA didnt go invading them did they? N.Korea has it or not is a different thing but did USA attack them considering they have the missile technology to easily target USA so why not attack the Koreans? point here just was tht this war was and is being fought not for USA or any other nation... the objective was oil and countless people were murdered for it... and yeah someone said tht more people are being murdered by the blasts... well how many blasts occurred before the invasion? and u might want to chk the video coverage of baghdad when the air strikes were made... civilians were bombed and murdered... do u think Iraqis will be thankful to the USA for murdering their loved ones? and how do u think they will react after this? now if a handful of people from them stand up u call them terrorists... The question is who made the terrorists?
sharei wonder if you know that north and south korea are still at war, a treaty was never signed. first UN action against a country.
shareHe didn't die for a lie. He died doing his duty.
As for Iraq: we did not go there based on lies. There was definitely a drastic misinterpretation of the intelligence at hand that overexaggerated the situation, something that you cannot pin on one person or one administration. But that is not a 'lie'. Nor does it mean that there was no reason to go.
The rational response to a war that turns out to have been more expensive than justified is to learn from the mistake and be more judicious about going to war in the future. It's not to invent moonbat fantasy theories about evil people lying and cackling gleefully.
Lets be honest. The last posts from the OP regard Vanessa Hudgens and the new Muppets Movie. Nuff said. R.I.P Chance.
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