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Interesting how gays seem like the most prejudiced/intolerant .

posted 11 years ago by SimplemindedSociety
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When in doubt, the words "homophobe/bigot" will do in a pinch.

I've been reading thru the threads and most of you are kidding yourselves. Before you expect gay-marriage to be accepted, you first need homosexuality to be accepted. And what makes you assume it's due to bigotry? Some things and feelings are visceral, and not due to conditioning. Our senses are not purely driven by environmental causes and culture.

For example, since homosexuals want to be accepted, why would homosexuals dislike others for their stereotypical behavior? And don't say you don't, because you do. The same applies to heteros who are tuned off by effeminate gay men and masculine gay women. They can't control their dislike any more than gays can control their dislike for certain traits.

We all know that not all homosexuals exhibit traits of the opposite gender, so that doesn't need to be explained. The point is: if the thought of heterosexual-sex turns off homosexuals(and it does), why wouldn't the reciprocal be true? But, I know everybody is too PC to admit it.

You may want to ponder this while you're calling everybody a bigot and homophobe due to your lack of perspective and self-absorption. You just come off as hypocritical.

[–] stefanheikel 11 years ago

I don't argue that most heterosexuals are turned off by man-on-man, but that doesn't give any excuses to beat, murder, and discriminate against gay people. I for one am VERY turned off by people praying in public, but I respect their right to do so 100%.

[–] rascal67 11 years ago

I see bigotry, as something an individual has to work through themselves. I don't believe that being a bigot is inherent in our pathology or physiology and this is something that is taught and conditioned onto us. If a society is operating from a certain level and children are taught about what is right or wrong, good or bad, this causes a perception of how things should be. So much has to do with attitude and this attitude is what causes our behaviour or beliefs and how we then contribute\commit ourselves.....ABC.

Much is about acceptance too. I find it difficult to accept the way things are sometimes and as a gay being, this causes me to be prejudiced about certain aspects of society and can turn me against things. What real choice do I have though, except to accpet. If I become bigoted, prejudiced or feel intolerant, I am then not rising above my own insecurities and attitude on life and state of being. This will affect how I then choose too participate.

I can care about my own life and turn it around; but have no right to expect for others to change.

[–] SimplemindedSociety 11 years ago

'but that doesn't give any excuses to beat, murder, and discriminate against gay people.'
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I'm not sure why you said that in response to my thread. I am not making excuses or condoning those things, unless you mean gay-marriage by discrimination. I just don't happen to think 'equal rights' is the right term for everything that we want and expect.

[–] rascal67 11 years ago

I just don't happen to think 'equal rights' is the right term for everything that we want and expect.
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In spite of my own opinions about the institution of marriage, for both straight and gay people, I feel it is more to do with"human rights", rather than "equality", even though I could be just mincing terms here for a point. On a much deeper, spiritual level, we are already equal, the rest is just ego. If marriage is going to be an accepted and traditional part of our and many societies, in which 2 people who supposedly love each other and want to be narcissistic about their union; it needs to be perceived as something that is a basic right for everyone. It is the heteros that are doing all the breeding and creating gay, straight and bi-sexual beings. It should have nothing to with religion, personal beliefs or prejudices.

[–] SimplemindedSociety 11 years ago

I would agree, but the wrench gets thrown here: the(adopted) children who are affected. I don't mean the argument that heterosexual couples are always better parents than a homosexual couple, because that's not a parallel argument. What is to be made of those children who now carry the burden of being the exception and explaining why that is? Children won't know the difference in the beginning, but childhood is short-lived. When do we stop reinventing the wheel because we assume the ride is going to be smoother? Shall we just adapt to other cultures and have a harem with many wives? That could be seen as 'progressive' also.

Again, don't we need to wait until homosexuality is truly accepted before we leap ahead? It's like going from A to C , without a layover at B. I think people are just bugged because it won't happen in their life-time. Acceptance comes in all forms.

[–] rascal67 11 years ago

What is to be made of those children who now carry the burden of being the exception and explaining why that is?

Acceptance comes in all forms.
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You make a very valid point SMS, (as always). I can't really see it as a burden though and once something has been implemented, time and people will naturally start to accept something as just being or the way it is. That is assuming that children are going to be a part of gay marriages and this of course will be inevitable for some couples. UK, Canada, France, New Zealand, have all ruled in favor of same sex marriage and Australia will likely follow soon. The US is likely a different story, due to a denser population, therefore a stronger opposition and backlash against gay marriage.

Children will experience and suffer worse things things throughout their lives, than being stigmatized by having same gender parents. Bullying is about control and power over others and although this could be used as an opening, children are still going to be put on the spot and picked on for a myriad of reasons. They will have to be educated about it, that's all.

It may even work in favor of children and less depression statistics when they get older, if they are struggling with sexuality issues when in their teens. Children from hetero couples, can still face a stigma of explaining why daddy left mommy for another woman, or why their big brother was sent to jail or a family member dies, or sexual abuse from other family members. The content is still the same. It is attitude that affects the process for the better.

When do we stop reinventing the wheel because we assume the ride is going to be smoother?
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Life is going to be challenging nonetheless and the wheel doesn't have to be reinvented, just add another spoke for support.

Shall we just adapt to other cultures and have a harem with many wives? That could be seen as 'progressive' also.
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This is just an ego boost, for certain cultures who are usually controlled and influenced by extremist and fundamentalist religious teachings and notions. These cultures, have more human rights issues than most others, where women are treated as second class citizens and homosexuality is even more reviled, (although it likely runs rampant behind closed doors). Many married couples in the west, have affairs behind their spouses backs and renege on their vows of commitment to one another. It is all games and although I am cynical about marriage overall, I don't have anyone in my life that wants to marry me. If I did, my outlook and opinion may change.

[–] Valerie_Vance 11 years ago

Every thread I come across of yours... the anger is palpable. Lighten up.

It's an ordinary high school day. Except that it's not.

[–] northernlad 11 years ago

Eh, he's just an obnoxious contrarian who gets on these boards, says a lot of nothing as long as it's contrary to what everyone else thinks and then moves on.

Remember the magic words: "Please", "Thank you" and "Step off bitch!"

[–] billwenham 11 years ago

But oddly only when it's gay-related threads which he seems to seek out. Hmmm...

[–] jstang411 11 years ago

"Interesting how gays seem like the most prejudiced/intolerant"

Have had dozens of gay friends and have been to gay bars many a night. Have found them the most open, warm hearted and accepting of other people as a group of any I have run across.

I'm interested how in your personal experiences with your gay friends that you have found different. I'm assuming that you wouldn't just be drawing conclusions based on IMDb board comments. You are much too eloquent for that.

[–] SimplemindedSociety 11 years ago

'Have had dozens of gay friends and have been to gay bars many a night. Have found them the most open, warm hearted and accepting of other people as a group of any I have run across.'
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Yes, your gay friends, and the ones you met while bar-hopping is a testament to something. So, that means you are straight and know more about gay people than gay people do. And that means any of is relevant to the topic at hand. Yes, straight people are so warm at heart and accepting when I meet them at the bars
And that means any of is relevant to the topic at hand.

[–] stefanheikel 11 years ago

^^^Um yes it is because there are FAR more heterosexuals then homosexuals. By the way, how can you speak for gays if the previous poster can't? I assume you're straight too.

[–] jstang411 11 years ago

By the way, how can you speak for gays if the previous poster can't? I assume you're straight too.

Yes SimplemindedSociety -- pray do tell on that.

The subject statement you put out was "Interesting how gays seem like the most prejudiced/intolerant." No I can not speak for all gay people, but I have had and have extensive interaction with a good number of people who are gay. More than I think most straight people have.

You can dismiss my experiences as too limited to draw a conclusion from, but then you are tasked with establishing why your knowledge/experience is great enough that you can come to such a firm conclusion on the subject.

[–] SimplemindedSociety 11 years ago

'You can dismiss my experiences as too limited to draw a conclusion from, but then you are tasked with establishing why your knowledge/experience is great enough that you can come to such a firm conclusion on the subject.'
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First, let's stop with the verbose phasing and wording.
Now, I'm speaking within the context of gay-marriage, and the innate expectation that homosexuals(or anybody) have. Using the word "equal-rights" does not make it a fact because the words "equal-rights' sounds so damn good to the ear. I could say that about anything, and then expect what I assume I'm entitled to.

Even if I am gay, that does not mean I jump on the bandwagon and believe in gay marriage---and that,therefore, does that mean I am closeted, an ashamed homosexual, etc.etc. Seperate the sheep from me.

We are not referring to personal experiences of knowing or meeting certain members of a minority/majority group ,but the overall subject matter of gay-marriage.

[–] jstang411 11 years ago

First, let's stop with the verbose phasing and wording.

Do you really feel the right to tell me to write in a style you prefer, even though I have been using proper English? That seems its own variety of intolerance.

Seems that you also wish to dictate what can and cannot be talked about on an IMDb thread, including that in the context of gay-marriage talking about gay people is off limits.

Even if I am gay, that does not mean I jump on the bandwagon and believe in gay marriage

That does surprise me though. Was actually assuming that you probably hadn't had a gay friend in your life, other than maybe a co-worker or two that you had no choice but to interact with.

But I think we can assume that the overwhelming majority of gay people do support same-sex marriage, whether they plan on it for themselves or not. And yes that would be an equal right, because it is one that heterosexuals have. It's the very definition of the concept. We do not have give equal rights in all instances, but it is one.

[–] northernlad 11 years ago

I'm telling ya, he's completely obnoxious. You're wasting your time with him.

Remember the magic words: "Please", "Thank you" and "Step off bitch!"

[–] jstang411 11 years ago

You're wasting your time with him.

Sorta figured that out, especially since he bailed after a while. But not sorry to talk him though....that he was gay threw me for a loop. Go figure how people work.

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[–] jstang411 11 years ago

Was only taking the man at his word (or at least the literal interpretation of it I chose to go with). Very well could be he is just an anti-gay gay man. Other option is that he is a straight guy who thinks he knows more about gay guys gay guys do. Only two choices based on his comments. If he had come back, I was happy to establish either.

[–] billwenham 11 years ago

The point is: if the thought of heterosexual-sex turns off homosexuals(and it does), why wouldn't the reciprocal be true?

It doesn't for me. But then again, I'm guessing you were speaking on your behalf, since I always find you posting on this topic. ;)