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JUSTIN LIN THINKS VIEWERS OF THIS MOVIE ARE MORONS . . .

posted 15 years ago by Coolestmovies
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How else to explain his near-constant reassurances in the audio commentary for FAST & FURIOUS that most of the car stunts were practical when they were obviously rendered in CGI.

His most galling attempts to pull the wool over our eyes happen during the sequences set in the tunnel, in which he strangely wants us to believe -- without a lick of irony in his voice -- that they built ACTUAL tunnels and drove ACTUAL cars through them (ever so carefully so as to get the shots just right, don't you know) when virtually EVERY SINGLE SHOT in the tunnels, especially during that ludicrous final chase, is clearly constructed in CGI. Mind you, the CG rivals some of the best animation I've seen in video game cut scenes, but that's the problem, the final tunnel chase LOOKS like the sort instant-replay "movie" you'd get as a reward for having completed a level in a racing game, intercut with screamingly obvious green-screen closeups of the actors PRETENDING to drive.

He also cranks up the bullshett during the opening gasoline tanker heist, detailing how they searched high and low for just the right stretch of road (yeah, a road like THAT really exists. Uh-huh. Right) down which they could roll full-size truck tank and flip a full-size truck on its side. Thankfully, he DOES admit that his CGI guys "enhanced" the rolling, flaming tanker, but stops short of admitting that the whole frickin' thing was a computer construct.

Clearly this director is so utterly, drunkenly convinced of the "realism" achieved by his computer animators that he thinks he can pass their work off as practical, real-world stuntwork, apparently to give both himself and his movie some kind of macho credibility it never truly earns. What, does he really think we'd believe that classic muscle cars couldn't be recreated in a computer? Gimme a frickin' break.

NOT ONCE does this movie showcase car action that isn't HEAVILY enhanced by computer graphics. Hell, judging by the behind-the-scenes material and the gag reel, I'd say the performers almost NEVER got to sit behind the wheel of an actual, moving automobile.

Only undiscriminating teenage fanboys without drivers' licenses would think they were watching anything resembling real cars and real drivers in most of the stunt sequences in this film. And frankly, I have no doubt enough of them showed up -- dropped off by their parents at the mall-o-plex undoubtedly -- to make this movie the franchise champ. They might also go some distance in explaining the 7+ rating the film garners here at the IMDB.

Perhaps if Justin Lin is given the chance to direct MORE FASTER, MORE FURIOUSER V or whatever it will be called, he'll have the cojones to put REAL stuntmen to work driving (and WRECKING) REAL cars, and not zip and zoom and fly his camera around so close to the "action" that we start to suspect that we're watching FAKE COMPUTER CARS.

I'm no fan of the "cinema du Rob Cohen", but I'll give the guy credit: he kept the CGI nonsense to a minimum. Justin Lin, on the other hand, is a fool for thinking we can't tell the difference.

Better Luck Tomorrow, Mr. Lin. ;)

[–] Cbriggs501 15 years ago

the tunnels were fake but cars smashing into each other were real you *beeping* moron. The whole street chase in the middle of the film were done on real streets with real cars *beep*head. If you watch the *beeping* behind the scenes instead of guessing what the *beep* is CGI next time *beep*head.

[–] Coolestmovies 15 years ago

I did watch the behind the scenes stuff, you *beeping* *beeping* *beep*head! What the *beep* is the matter with you, you pathetic loser. Why don't you read my *beeping* post again, you stupid *beeping* idiot. I'm talking about the audio commentary. You're probably too *beeping* stupid to access that on your DVD or Blu-ray, so you just skim through the other supplements and figure it must all be real. Justin Lin LIES about virtually about the authenticity of virtually all of the stunts in this film on that audio commentary, and claims that stuff is real when it's obviously NOT. I'm not denying real cars and real stuntmen were used, *beep*=tard, but they're NOT used anywhere near as much as the director would have us believe, and they're HEAVILY augmented with CGI. Obviously, tools like you can't spot it, and that makes Justin Lin very happy.

"the tunnels were fake but cars smashing into each other were real"

This makes NO SENSE, you flaming imbecile! What, they shot a massive, multi-car high-speed chase SOMEWHERE ELSE and then composited it into their little fake tunnel? Yeah, right! Those cars don't even handle like real cars in the tunnel, and the "camera angles" he's able to get SCREAM computer graphics!! LOLOLOL Listen, junior, the tunnel AND the cars were fake, close-ups of the drivers were green-screen. Big deal. The PROBLEM is that the director wants us to believe it was ALL real according to his commentary -- IN WHICH HE CLAIMS THE TUNNEL WAS ACTUALLY BUILT FULL-SIZE -- and apparently he WAS able to fool you, you *beeping* simp. Why don't you go watch it again when you're all growed-up and come back and tell us all what you REALLY see on screen.

You sir, are a dick.

[–] Fumbled 15 years ago

Yeah I actually miss when car movies were about driving real cars with real stunts. Remember Bullitt? I also remember the mini chase scene in Bourne Identity. The finale in the tunnel was anything but exciting to me. I don't care if it was real or fake. The premise and location was pretty lame. Also, I'm sorry there's no way you can turn on a dime in a dirt pathed tunnel especially in a muscle car with power to the rear. The Impreza might be able to pull it off with it's AWD but even then, probably not. I found it pretty funny how all the muscle cars went right in and hardly anyone spun out.

[–] Coolestmovies 15 years ago

Thank you so much for being one of the (seemingly few) enlightened ones. Furthermore, you make a VERY valid point that, in addition to all the FAKERY on screen (which the director LIES about in the commentary), the premise and locale of the finale were lame. Nothing like a dark cavern to hide all your computer-generated fakery, eh Mr. Lin? I also recall him saying, elsewhere on the commentary, that he's not much of a car guy, or something to that effect! No shiht! This likely explains why the "meets" in these pictures have FAR more semi-dressed babes wandering around than any such event would in real life!

I have to think that any serious gearhead/car buff/muscle car aficionado must have a good, derisive LAUGH at ALL of these pictures, while little boys barely old enough to have driver's licenses must think they're just awesome. :D

I will give director Rob Cohen (of the first film) SOME credit, despite his now officially being an increasingly outmoded and desperate purveyor of gaseous monstrosities in the form of sequels to his franchise pictures that weren't exactly classics to begin with (XXX 3, folks? MUMMY 4, anyone?). At least in the original FAST & THE FURIOUS, he ensured that much of the car/stunt action was reasonably real.

[–] thenikesquad 14 years ago

alright look, there wasnt that much CGI, the tunnels were real in a sense, it was a long wearhouse on a dock, the dirt on the walls and wooden sticks are cgi, the cars were real, crashing n stuff, and flames n stuff were fake.
the actor close ups were in a green screen, sitting in a real car. but outside camera shots. alllll real!!!

same goes wit street race, actors were behind green screen for fae closeups, but all the stunts were real, minus the tanker flip. IDIOT

[–] Coolestmovies 14 years ago

Real "in a sense". What the *beep* does that even mean?? LOL

THE CARS IN THE TUNNEL WERE CGI. If you can't see that, you're exactly the audience the special effects creators LOVE. You can't see the seams, even when they're as obvious as they are during the finale of this film. I actually quite stunned that you didn't think the tanker flip was real, too, although that was a sequence in broad daylight, so the fakery is a bit more evident than it is in the dark tunnel with the impossible camera angles.

The only thing you're right about is the actors performing green screen sitting in real, but immobile, vehicles.

MORON.

[–] Hysteria28 14 years ago

Even the scene with the car crashing off the bridge on to the street below in the dark was CGI. That could have been shot with a real car. But I really hate it when they do chase scenes in the dark.

Anyway check out my movie review..

[–] thenikesquad 14 years ago

if justin lin were to RE CREATE the scene in 2fast 2furious where brians skyline jumps over the supra wen they go off the bridge, they would actually try to attempt that!

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