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Tom Cruise was the bad guy in the movie not the hero


He killed FBI/CIA agents I mean come on. And he did it casualy he's a freakin pyscho. The men he killed were the good guys. The only corrupt one was that one dude trying to sell the battery thing. The other agents were just trying to do their jobs and stop a maniac. The worst part was the high way scene when he murders these men who are only trying to protect there country. Screw this horrible movie. BTW i'm a huge fan of action movies but this is just wrong.

"If we can hit that bullseye the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards, checkmate"

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He had to kill 'em else they would have killed him, a life taken in self defense is not considered as murder ! simple, the FBI agents were working at the behest of the dude trying to sell the battery, and quite possibly all the agents knew what their boss was upto, despite knowing his wicked intentions they were after roy like mad dogs, One also has to consider the fact that roy never killed any innocent civilian, although he did scare a few

roy's ultimate aim was to stop the battery from falling in wrong hands, and that way he served his country big time

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OP: those FBI/CIA agents went ROGUE!!! GEt it?

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The director tells Miller at the end that they rooted a corrupt team, suggesting it wasn't just Fitzgerald.

And the suggestion also may be that she's apart of that corrupt team too, because it's hinted that Miller is in danger and Havens saves him.

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There sure were rather a lot of rogue Feds/spooks in this film.

Its that man again!!

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If the whole team was corrupt, why did fitz have to kill the other guy in the car?

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I agreed with hidinsoul.

Plus I assumed that being a secret agent, they know that they put their lives on the line and if they are not as good as their opponent, they gotto pay the ultimate price.

That's why Tom Cruise character parents thought he is dead from army ops long ago. They are dispensable and only the best gets to survive.

But it's a little bit too much for action comedy.

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I don't care if Tom Cruise's character was good or bad.He knew what was right and wrong but his character is damn funny too.

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It should be noted that despite being a nice guy, he's somewhat of an antihero. A very likable antihero.

Welcome to my Nightmare- Freddy Krueger

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I didn't mean for this to be so long, but it is what it is...

We don't actually see him kill anybody that we know to be FBI agents or agents of any other government agency...

We don't know the affiliation of the assailants on the plane. From the looks of it they were either working for Antonio or they were part of (if not the entire) corrupt FBI team. One (possible) hint is that the first man to attack Miller on the plane tries to inject him, probably with the same drug that Antonio used on June later in the movie. Also, several of them attack with knives... FBI agents, even corrupt agents don't usually use knives.

For one thing, legitimate law enforcement officers (or even corrupt LE officers) easily could and probably would just try to detain Miller in the airport before he even boarded the plane. They have plenty of resources at their disposal. They could overwhelm him with force in a public area and write the entire thing off as a terrorist plot, or whatever they wanted.

The details of the firefight while driving also aren't clear. The shots appear to come from different directions and then Miller shows up on a motorcycle. I think we are intentionally made to think he was the one shooting, but there were several subtle clues that he was not.

The men we do see him shooting later on did not seem to be law enforcement agents. Neither their weapons, nor their behavior. That entire sequence was intentionally hectic and confusing, but if you think about it, Fitzgerald thought that June was working with Miller so Antonio probably did too, either because he was collaborating with Fitzgerald who told him so, or because he came to the same conclusion.

On the other hand, if he was the one firing, June warns the agent siting next to her that a laser sight is being pointed at him and the shooter seems to delay firing. Either way, that agent survives and we find out later that he was not corrupt. Miller knew a lot of what was going on. He could have known this.

Either way, the affiliation of several of the people after Miller/the Zephyr was ambiguous. In a lot of other movies the super honorable good guy disarms or otherwise incapacitates with non-lethal force the other good guys who don't know any better and think hes the bad guy, and we usually get that spoon fed to us. In this movie, whether he does kill other "good guys" or not, is not made clear. We aren't spoon fed anything. In fact, we are pretty well and intentionally confused about the intentions of almost everybody, including Miller, himself for most of it until the end.

Furthermore, even if he did kill agents who were just doing their job, so was he. If he wanted to survive to protect Simon and now June, then the people trying to stop him and most likely kill him probably need to die. Sad but true.

Don't forget that he takes a bullet for Simon at the end... I'm not sure that we should assume that he kills all of those people just to save himself... and then keeps coming back and putting himself in danger just because... well, that wouldn't make sense no matter what reason you come up with.

If you watched the movie and thought that he was the bad guy - or even an antihero (which would be a better description, but still inaccurate) - then you must have missed a lot of the plot or not paid attention or failed to use some pretty straightforward analytical thinking or something...

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You guys missed it - at the end, the FBI lady tells Knight that he's being 'transferred to a secure location' where 'he'll be safe'. Remember what that meant, from the beginning of the movie? It was our sign that they were the bad guys, and were likely going to kill him.

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Molla and Saarsgard were the bad guys!!!!
"Peace and love"

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I can guarantee if someone is gunning for you you are NOT going to care WHAT side they supposedly are on. You are going to defend yourself. And if that means taking out CIA, FBI or even police officers, then so be it.

Unless of course you're a spineless little *beep* who wants to get effed in the A.

As for Tom being the "bad" guy in the film I don't buy that for one second. He saves both Diaz's and the science geek's characters (when he didn't have to if he didn't want to), keeps the device out of the hands of the real bad guys in the film (instead of keeping it for himself and/or selling it to the highest bidder), and still finding time to take care of mom and dad.

Not a strong enough case for your arguement of him being the "bad" guy OP.

Go troll someplace else.

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Okay first of all, as others have pointed out, there were loads of corrupt elements because of the comment from that chick that he "cleaned house." He wasn't just shooting innocents.

Besides which, when it comes to the CIA, there ARE no innocents. They're basically evil. They're completely prepared to kill Cameron Diaz and anyone at all who's innocent and who happens to find out the slightest bit of anything -- even when it's not even going to risk any kind of national security. It's pretty much an evil organization (in the film and in real life) that's lost sight of the real goal, which is to protect American citizens. All it does now is kill its citizens, screw around in foreign countries, commit atrocities here and abroad, lie, murder, disinform, and generally be awful and... well, evil.

So yeah you're just totally naive with your "OH NOEZ HE KILLED PEOPLE WHO ARE GOOD." They're not good. Maybe some of them started off that way but they are so far gone now that "good" is a concept they no longer understand. And he didn't kill the fireman, you baby. Fireman are generally actual good guys so that should please your baby sensibilities. :P

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Whether they find life there or not, I think Jupiter should be considered an enemy planet.

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