Watched it the day it came to DVD. Wanted to see it in the theater because I'm a Tim Allen fan, but it didn't play long enough. As I was watching the film, I was liking it, thinking it was "good", but not great. But then came the ending, and much to my own surprise, I found it very very moving and I actually got choked up. It was a combination of the silence, the look on Mike Terry's face, and the embrace given to him by his prestigious professor. I just found it emotionally touching and a very satisfying ending.
I know people are all worked up about confusing plot points or plot holes, unbelievability, etc. I thought it was an excellent drama (hardly a "sports movie") with many compelling questions and realities, some of which Mamet chooses to answer, and some of which he doesn't. The lead actor playing Mike Terry, who I've not heard of or seen before, really impressed me. He brought such subtle humanity to the performance and totally underplayed it. He acts with his eyes, and rarely does he react or overreact to what's happening in the story. Even when he realizes what those crooked lawyers are up to and he is threatened with jail for harboring a suspect, he just watches and listens quietly. He has amazing screen presence and was the core soul of the film's story. I was shocked in the featurette to discover that he's British!
Wonderful film that I've been thinking about a lot since watching it, and I'll be recommending it to friends of mine. Great photography from Bob Elswit as well!
this was a really good movie. Mamet is brillant, and boy can he write a screenpplay with great dialouge. Chewy was wonderful and hopefully doesnt get forgotten come awards time. Chewy prooved himself as a leading man. i say a 8 ot 9/10 for me. As for ending, well it did honestly get me a little choked up; very moving ending indeed.
I know, the ending was really something, wasn't it? I was amazed that I reacted that way. I mean, I get emotional in movies sometimes, but not generally in sports-themed films. There was just something about the honor and the connection between student and master that got me.
Yes, Chiwetel Ejiofor was truly amazing in his performance. I hear people go on about Denzel Washington and Will Smith, etc. as being great black actors worthy of carrying on Sidney Poitier's legacy, but honestly, Chiwetel is the one people should be raving about. He doesn't over-emote, and that may be the British man in him. It's been said often that American actors act from within, while British actors act from the outside, the complete opposite...
I haven't seen that one Allard, but I'll keep my eye out for it. I did recently catch up again with Heist, which I note seems to polarise its audience between those that really like it( like me) and those that think it's next to useless.
The ending was silly. The fight lacked energy, the exposition was cheap, and repeating the gag with two belts from two entirely undeveloped characters was hollow.
"The great act of faith is when a man decides he is not God." -Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
Well see, this would be a thread for positive comments, not a thread for taking a dump on the film. There's plenty of negative threads for you to spew in. Go there.
Anyway about the ending.... had the same thought, very nice film up to that point but the ending was exceptional. Hopefully many will discover Redbelt on dvd, I was one of the handful that saw it at the local theater and it was powerful on the big screen.
More insightful observations from you stanleyjim. For an alleged screen writer your literary prowess seems somewhat limited in nature. I can only imagine the quality of your scripts.
With all the anti-Mamet posting you do, it's amazing you'd ever have time to write your "screen plays".
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(Spoilers galore) The two belts were two entirely different things. The first belt was his money, the second was his honor and the completion of his goal as a whole, and the characters were throughout the movie. Morisaki was mentioned throughout as the best fighter in the IFA and the second, titular, redbelt came from the man whom is the embodiment of everything Terry is striving for and acheieved, at least as far as Terry is concerned. The professor is everything he's Terry has taught, all the things he faxed to the movie people and his entire philosophy. You just rarely saw them in the flesh, but the characters were peppered throughout the movie.
"exposition was cheap" <-- wtf mate? there practically was no exposition, the filmmaker left it open for the audience to fill in most of the time, where there was need to exposition it wasn't exactly blatant - it's one of the reasons i really enjoyed it...
Everyone has different preferences for what they enjoy in a movie. What 1 person may like may not be anothers cup-of-tea. As long as we use IMDB to say what we liked or didn't like about a movie that helps to inform others as to the potential (or lack of) that a movie has. When someone denigrates others for not agreeing with their perception of a movie then that's silly as not everyone is going to like the same movies. The reason why I joined IMDB many years ago was to get an 'overall' perspective of what a wide range of people thought about a movie to give me a better idea of whether I might like to go to see a movie or not. IMDB started off this way and there was a lot of robust debate on the merits (or lack of) in different movies but there was little in the way of personal attacks. But there are many people that use this as a forum to shoot others down. Not sure why. Perhaps it gives them an ego boost to raise their self esteem from what might be a pretty sad/ dull life offline. Ultimately, I don't believe it really helps give anyone a better perspective on a movie. Irrespective, I still find IMDB a good source of information once I've managed to wade through all the peripheral comments (or attacks) in order to get to the good stuff or info that will actually help me decide if I want to watch a movie or not. I then try to give my honest assessment of a movie if/ when I have time to drop a comment into the IMDB forum, so that someone else might find it helpful to them in deciding if they want to go see the movie. Just my 10cents for what it's worth. BTW I enjoyed the movie for it's message. It may not have the 'Hollywood' fireworks, but in some movies the power is in the subtlety because you may not have to use a hammer to get people to understand your message and the real enjoyment is when they themselves suddenly discover (on their own) what the message was in a particular scene,etc.
Yeah the ending was great and it was emotional, i think the actor who played Mike really sold it when he had the red belt in his hand and he had an expression of "i don't deserve this, i can't take it". It was a repeat of the sequence where he gives the cop the watch but only now he is the student and the master is presenting him the red belt for the most important fight, which is the fight for the Honor & purity of martial arts.
All of those who thought the ending sucked clearly did not understand or get the story. Yes maybe it was a bit unrealistic in that it would never happen that way in RL, but the point was not to make a movie about Rl but rather a movie that tells a story with set pieces.
The story was about a man who had principles and he cherished his art above everything else, he had a clear vision which is what his art brings. The story tells that there can be many distractions in a person's life, we can choose to deflect or embrace, embrace is the path of less resistance. Chet has embraced whoring and drinking to make life less hard, to distract himself. Mike's wife was in the middle for awhile but eventually she made the choice to embrace and make comprimises to get ahead to pay the bills. Mike came to the crossroads and it seemed like he was going to embrace and comprimise and let things be. Instead he chose to fight, spurred on by the slap by the lawyer friend. He fought for the purity and honor of the sport and not to fight for money. Basically what those Martial artists in the movie wanted to do was sell out their art to fix fights for money.
It is worth noting that a lot of the discussion within Redbelt's postings revolve around the film's ending. The concept of honor is either ridiculed or lost on many of those that criticize it (not the film but it's message). I don't say this to be dismissive, if someone disliked the movie I'm not going to accuse them of being shallow. But many do have a strong dislike for the honor aspect of Redbelt. Also it seems as if anything resembling a happy ending in a drama is today seen as Disneyesque, unreal romanticism, corny, etc.
I agree completely with you. I thought the film was great, and I really liked the ending as well. I found myself perplexed though, while watching the parts leading up to the climax, after he found out the fight was rigged in HIS favor.
I didn't know what he would do. I didn't feel like he'd fight, because there's no honor in winning when it's fixed. BUT he was guaranteed the $50K which he needed badly, and which was the ONLY reason he was there.
Before they told him he was fixed to win, I personally thought that the end would be him fighting in the ring, with both hands tied down, fixed that way to punish him for the entire "watch" incident. They showed the scene in the beginning with Joe the cop fighting with both hands tied, so I thought that was a foreshadow of the final fight. Mike fighting against the odds and against the fix of the promoters, but somehow prevailing in the end.
The only holes or questions for me in the ending, lay with the cop's wife's situation and Richard, the guy his wife borrowed the money from. I certainly understand that after his wife betrayed him, he wouldn't care about her debt, but the guy she borrowed it from, seemed to be a friend of his, or at least they had a good relationship, and in their conversation you could see his fear in that it wasn't his $30K to loan out, but rather his "people" he worked for. I guess one could conclude that since the wife got back in cahootz with Tim Allen's wife, that she'd then be able to pay it back.
But there's also the cop's wife and her bills. He felt responsible for her situation and was determined to help her by winning the prize money. After all, the ONLY reason he was fighting was for the money, so that he could help those around him who were in financial trouble as a direct result of his actions.
After everything that occurred within the arena, while yes, he got an enormous amount of respect for his out-of-the-ring skills and result against the champion fighter, he was still walking away with no money at all which was a bummer. So no help for the cop's wife and her bills.
Like everybody else I'll offer a few thoughts on the subject. Mike chose to fight for the prize money, yes, but his reason for being there was to help others. As you say, his discovery of the scheme certainly negated his desire to bail out his wife to whom the lions share of the prize money would have went. As for his loan shark friend who got the money from supposedly the mob or some other unsavory types, Mike probably assumed he was paid off by his brother in law or as you mentioned a result of the on again deal with Tim Allen's wife.
But as you may imagine, Mike's view of the widow situation would not have changed. He would've certainly found a way to help her as he was not adverse to making money, he was adverse to certain manners in which it was made. As they say "the road to hell is paved with good intentions", so if Mike had showed up at the event and been told he was guaranteed 50 k if he earned it in any way other than a clean manner his reaction would have beeen the same. He had already weighed financially rescuing his wife and helping the widow against his objection to competitive fighting and decided to bend as the results would be positive. But the news of his wife's betrayal and of a rigged fight, even in his favor, was the determining factor in his walking away from 50 k. By doing so his principals remained intact and though helping the widow may have been set aside for the moment, the intention and ability remained.
Your plot idea of handicapping Mike is one I'm sure must've occured to Mamet, would have made for an interesting "alternate" ending.
Dave I too also got choked up at the end. It was nice to see a decent guy be rewarded for his integrity, honor and good character. Chewitel is an amazing actor. He is one of my favorites right now. Soon you will see him being compared to the greats like Denzel. In the meantime since you are a fan you must check him out in Dirty Pretty Things. Dare I say he was even better in that movie!
And oh yeah dio32 your a loser bro. Go kill some more baby bunnies or whatever it is you do for fun when your not trying to spread your negativity. We are sorry your life is so miserable that its the only thing that brings you joy but remember one word...Kharma. You get what you give. And a good day to you SIR.
Be the Change You Wish to See in the World. Gandhi There is NO Gene for the Human Spirit. Gattaca
Great, great ending. Totally out of the left field and unexpected as hell - but very emotionall fulfilling.
I also don't think their fight would not be intercepted in real life either. You have the TV on and the crowd and there are these two guys who are fightning on an unparalled level. I think they would have kept the camera on them, good for everyone.
I would have expected the " fixers " to try and cut the camera or break up the fight though.
despite this being a mamet-film, and having been impressed by his movies in the past, i didn't have great expectations about redbelt.
unlike many others here, i don't really care whether the ending was realistic. in fact, what i found brilliant, was that this very cliché 'happy ending' suddenly became so moving. more than emotionally satisfying or hopeful it made a very melancholic impression on me, as if it was showing us a utopic ideal, a dream, that you know only can exist in a fictitious realm. yes, it has a positive message about integrity, but i wouldn't call it optimistic.
the whole movie up to that point shows too painfully well how difficult (impossible?) it is to stick to your principles and ideals in a rotten world. the last embrace in the ring made me so sad; these old masters are being dragged to this contest for their corrupt families to fill their pockets, and it tears them apart. they're a dying breed, and they know it. they're lonely.
at the same time, the son of the brazilian 'professor' didn't come across as a 'bad guy', just someone (like many other characters in the movie) who hasn't got the energy anymore not to take part in a corrupt system. the movie shows very well how any 'good' individual is able to help maintain a 'bad' system. it also shows convincingly how by trying to maintain a 'pure' lifestyle, you unwillingly end up hurting people around you that you love. these and many other complex questions are conveyed throughout the movie. it's a simple, straightforward movie, VERY suspenseful (if you ask me), but loaded with meaning and ambiguity. economical too; conveying a lot with little means. taking age-old stereotypes and structures to make a modest, entertaing movie that at the same time confronts you with deep questions about society and how to deal with it; how to fit in, or not. also, on a very basic, non-methaphorical level, this movie made me respect and understand something i had always found despicable in the past: fighting.
Very moving ending, indeed. I was suprised too when i saw the film first time! Rebecca Pidgeon's 'Manha' playing in end credits is very sad, haunting and one of the most beautiful bossanova tunes i've heard. I'm actually listening to Pidgeon's 'Behind The Velvet Curtain' cd where the track is, right now. Wonderful music to chill out in rainy Sunday morning :)