It's funny how liberals still can't accept defeat years after it happened. They keep making movies about it, like Farheineit 9/11 and claim that the vote was rigged. What a bunch of sore losers! Can't they just accept it and move on? If they stopped acting like losers, maybe there would be people agreeing with them?
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What part of purge list didn't you understand? They(the Florida Attorney General's office)revoked the right to vote for a targeted, non-criminal segment of people of color for political expediency. That what most reasonable folk find unacceptable.
Before I get myself worked up I would like to say that yes the movie is slanted and the reasons are that this generation will likely NEVER GET OVER IT. They see the corruption that slid through. In earlier civilizations civil wars and assassinations occured but Bush/Cheney through extreme measures against the American people got away with it. They kept us scared and distracted. It took Katrina to yank everyone back to reality and to see these two guys for what they are.
BTW we already see through Fightin' John and Sexy Sarah.
"What part of purge list didn't you understand? They(the Florida Attorney General's office)revoked the right to vote for a targeted, non-criminal segment of people of color for political expediency. That what most reasonable folk find unacceptable."
Yeah, except there is no proof that this ever happened, and this movie is just fiction based on real events. So your point is?
It isn't that. It's that right wingers can't tolerate challenges.
That's because they are all cowards.
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Bingo.
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In all fairness, the events of 9/11 have roots dating back to the Reagan administration. You can't really blame Bush 100% for the attacks. He was just the wrong guy in charge when the *beep* hit the fan, the problems lay more with the lack of communication between the security services (FBI, CIA, etc.).
And this is the view of a 'liberal'...
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Liberals apparantly do accept defeat with a lot more dignity than conservatives appear to accept victory. No-one can dispute that Gore's team could have taken (and wanted to take) the fight further but Gore reigned them in for the good of national unity, and accepted he had lost according to the due process of the American political and legal systems. Both systems may be flawed, but that is an entirely different argument.
And Gore seems to have not only gotten over the defeat, but gone on to arguably greater and better things that transcend grubby partisan American politics, like trying to save the planet (whether you agree with his arguments or not, it's an admirable goal). His credibility and stature in the eyes of the world are far greater now than the man who legally defeated him.
There are many reasons to argue that the election was "stolen" - it is clear not every vote cast was counted, not every intended vote was cast, and not every person entitled to vote was allowed. Even when every vote statewide that was actually cast was properly counted later, the result varied according to the standards employed. The problems with absentee ballots and TV networks calling the result before the polls had closed further confused the result. There are probably more ways in which George W Bush would have won than ways in which Al Gore would have won, but the thing which gets liberals angry is that they (and the people of Florida, and the people of the United States of America) were denied the opportunity for the votes to be counted fairly to an agreed standard before the result was certified. As Gore said at the time, "This is America. When votes are cast, we count them. We don't arbitrarily set them aside because it's too difficult to count them." Apparantly though, you do, and you did.
The Republicans went hell for leather to obstruct any attempt at clearing up the confusion, to them there was no confusion, their guy won at the first time of asking, and they had the power to force that result upon America, satisfactory or not, because they had the the secretary of state and the Supreme Court on their side. It may well be that their guy would have won anyway even if a full and fair recount had been allowed to take place, but they were not interested in fairness, or democracy at that point, they were interested solely in doing everything they could to get the result. The Democrats too wanted their guy to win, but (at least if this movie is even partially accurate) they were not willing to go to the same lengths. They also had the happy coincidence of having the objective interests of fairness and democracy on their side, in calling for the votes in a very close election, with obvious flaws, to be scrutinised so that everyone could be certain that the true will of the voters of Florida matched the result, whatever will and result it was.
8 years after the event, most people (even a majority in the USA, and not just those labelled liberals) rightly or wrongly believe the result did not reflect the will of the people of Florida on that particular night. The Republicans, and a political system loaded with partisan Republicans should have had the flexibility to allow for a recount, in the interests of certainty, fairness, democracy and unity. And plain old common sense.
Nobody is presently asking for Al Gore to be president, or for anybody to do any time traveling. We can accept a loss. In this case, we did not lose. The trophy was stolen. Now we're called cry-babies for getting angry about it and making people informed in order to prevent it from happening again.
See what I did there?
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Which part of 50,999,897 and 50,456,002 don't you understand?
shareKinda like how many conservatives can't accept that the votes of minorities and poor people count, too?
It's funny how liberals still can't accept defeat
There are several facts that many liberals ignore, though.
In a recount by a consortium of newspapers led by the Miami Dade Herald (many of whom endorsed Gore) found that Bush still would have won the election.
Another consortium of media that included CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, and a large consortium of prominent national newspapers also came to the same conclusion. The only way Gore would have won that state is if votes declared invalid might have gone for Gore. Often, these were votes where people voted for more than one candidate in the same election. Because of their idiotic chad usage, some people poked holes for both Bush and Gore (and maybe Nader), but since two chads were punched, they had to be declared invalid. Remember, these votes "might" have gone fore Gore, not definitely gone because we have no idea who those people intended to vote for.
Moreover, Gore originally wanted recounts only in specific counties where he thought he could get enough votes. That is what Bush objected to. If a candidate wants a recount, he has to ask of one of the whole state, not just certain counties.
I do think this was a watershed issue that led to the heavy partisanship in this nation (along with Clinton's impeachment). However, Bush did not steal the election, nor was it stolen by the Supreme Court. Gore lost on a technicality and an unusal system made by the Founding Fathers.
If there is anything we can learn from history is that people do not learn from history. There have been a few other Presidents who won the Electoral College but not the Popular Vote: Rutherford B. Hayes and William Henry Harrison, and some even put John Q. Adams in there as well.
Finally, it amazes me to think that some liberals assume 9/11 would never have happened if Gore was elected. That was an issue beyond Presidential control. It still would have happened no matter who was President.
If Gore was elected President we would also still have this looming economy approaching us because the Fed (which is indepdent of the Presidency) lowered the interest rates and people were borrowing in the 1990's and early 2000's like there was no tomorrow.
I would agree if Gore was President we would not have gone to war with Iraq, and I consider (for the most part) Bush's presidency to be a bust. I would also concur that we need to do away with the electoral college because it is dated and no longer serves a purpose.
But Bush did win. He didn't cheat, nor did he steal the election. It was a fluke, a burp in the universe--like when Tomo Romo fumbled the field goal snap in the playoffs a few years ago or when Forrest Gump won best picture (I liked Gump, but it was not Best Picture caliber). So lets forget about it.
The only thing I could say to this is accept it the way it is.Everything is like water under the bridge.
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