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Republicans...Are you happy 8 years later?

posted 17 years ago by NathanSummers
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Thoughts on the country today?

[–] DjfunkmasterG 17 years ago

It went from somewhat decent to total sh!te in 8 years, well actually within the 1st ten months of "W's" presidency.

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[–] abccomp1 16 years ago

Yes I am much happier now that the clintons have finally gone away. Too bad we still have the idiot gore hanging around with his con of global warming!

[–] miguedroimdb 16 years ago

oh yeah, because clinton was so much worse:

- he a created a second Nam (Iraq)

- he killed thousands of people just to get a country to obtain natural resources from the middle east (9/11)

yeah...we all love W...such a great president..and republicans...loved throughout the world.

ps - here´s the kicker: i´m not american :)

...and most people in this world feel about your disusting group (republicans) and your satanic "leader" as I do...how does it feel to be hated by the whole world?

pps - "con of global warming"...humm...and he´s smart too! (yes, i´m still being sarcastical)

[–] ancatdoh 16 years ago

"ps - here´s the kicker: i´m not american :)"

Remind us why we should care what you think?

"how does it feel to be hated by the whole world?"

Yeah, right--people hate the US so much that we have millions of legal and illegal immigrants already here and millions more trying to escape whatever second or third world worker's paradise they're from so they can come live and work here.

YOU hate Bush--you're NOT the "whole world" and WE don't care.

You must be dimwitted, gullible and simple enough to believe that global warming can be cured through government regulation of such "pollutants" as carbon dioxide (guess it would help if mammals like YOU would just stop breathing) and through higher taxation.

Yeah, go cheer on the politicians who promise you they can CONTROL THE WEATHER with some MORE of your income.

[–] miguedroimdb 16 years ago

you (republicans) should care because it´s not just democrats that have a problem with you...it´s everyone else that is not a republican...think about it, coz it´s kinda like the way people feel about Nazis.

people don´t hate the US (try to be more subtle when twisting my words), but they hate nixon, reagan, the bushes, rumsfeld, condolezza, cheyney, murdoch, etc...what do they all have in common?

and FYI: the reason for a large immigration has nothing to do with being loved or not...but with economical needs. I lived 5 years in another country not coz I loved it, but coz I needed to put money on the table for my family.

ok, so I think bush is a war criminal (even though he created a law so that he couldn´t be judged on his war crimes [you aware of that?])...that´s pretty clear...but how does the rest of the world feel about him?...you really sure about bush being that much loved? put it too the test: go to brit, french, middle eastern, latin, asian message boards and ask around...you might be suprised.

It can´t be the cure but the damages can it fact be heavily stopped/delayed if they just lay down a bit in the poluction..I mean...for *beep* sake: how much good do you think it´s for environment to throw the kinda of gases that if you breath them in a garage for more than 15 minutes you die?!...think about it...jesus...republicans most times live in those small ice globes

like this: http://blog.makezine.com/iceGems.jpg

no wonder you feel global warming is an ilusion lol...you´re living the ilusion! oh, yeah...i love how the weather worldwide has changed so much over the last years...nothing to do with global warming....nah...aliens maybe...hey, call Tom Cruise.

ps - i used to be right wing like yourself............when i was 12.

[–] ancatdoh 16 years ago

"no wonder you feel global warming is an ilusion lol...you´re living the ilusion!"

Foreigner, YOU are living the illusion if you think government can CONTROL THE WEATHER through regulation and higher taxation.

"ok, so I think bush is a war criminal"

You don't live here, you don't vote here, and I don't care. I really don't.

Shake your foreign fists at us all you want.

"because it´s not just democrats that have a problem with you"

Yes, you have the problem. It's your problem. Deal with it, foriegner.

[–] miguedroimdb 16 years ago

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you´re hilarious!!! how can I be a foreigner if I´m in my own country??? lol you´re so funny...you should do comedy. all you had to do, would be stand in front of an audience and share your opinions in life ("polution his harmless for the environment", "bush is an amazing person", "the iraq is being handled beautifuly")...and the audience would laugh for hours!

how could they not control it?! if you tax more heavuly big companies every time they polucte, they´ll start being a little more concerned about f**cking up the planet. look at microsoft: they thought they could pull the same stunts that they do in America here in Europe. so what happens? every year we upgrade the fines on their "monopolic" software..so that has made them to announce that they are thinking about relasing a more Europe directed software, meaning...no dependency in other of its softwares...kinda like Apple

the thing is Bush doesn´t restrict to America: he

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its natural resources, his actions in Middle East are directly connected with the terrorist attacks in Europe, his actions have led to a big uprise in terrorist listings in Asia, etc

has you can see he affects the whole world...you mention him like we´re talking about the prime-minister of Lichestein (it´s a small state in Europe in case you´re wondering..and I know you are ehehheheh)...not so.

his actions affect the whole world.

actually Bush and people in America having problems with him will be quite important in the upcoming election...

[–] ancatdoh 16 years ago

you´re hilarious!!! how can I be a foreigner if I´m in my own country??? lol you´re so funny...you should do comedy. all you had to do, would be stand in front of an audience and share your opinions in life ("polution his harmless for the environment", "bush is an amazing person", "the iraq is being handled beautifuly")...and the audience would laugh for hours!

how could they not control it?! if you tax more heavuly big companies every time they polucte, they´ll start being a little more concerned about f**cking up the planet. look at microsoft: they thought they could pull the same stunts that they do in America here in Europe. so what happens? every year we upgrade the fines on their "monopolic" software..so that has made them to announce that they are thinking about relasing a more Europe directed software, meaning...no dependency in other of its softwares...kinda like Apple

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its natural resources, his actions in Middle East are directly connected with the terrorist attacks in Europe, his actions have led to a big uprise in terrorist listings in Asia, etc

YOU posted "I am not American." YOU are squealing your absolutely IRRELEVANT opinions about American political figures you cannot vote for or against, and you never did say why we should CARE what you think, Eurotrash.

Fool, I never said "polution his harmless for the environment" or that there was no such thing as global warming, what I said was that YOU are a fool for beLIEving that BS artists like AlGore can CONTROL THE WEATHER through taxation and regulation of such "pollutants" as carbon dioxide.

"how could they not control it?! if you tax more heavuly big companies every time they polucte, they´ll start being a little more concerned about f**cking up the planet."

Idiot, those "big companies" don't pay those taxes, which are an added cost of doing business.

NO, they pass the INCREASED COSTS ONTO THE REST OF US AND WRECK THE ECONOMY. If government adds a new tax on ANY product or service, THEIR CUSTOMERS are the ones who pay, not the "big companies." If the US congress passes an additional tax on fuel to "fine" the "big oil companies," everybody who uses fuel and everybody who uses any product requiring it for production and shipping has to pay it in the form of higher production and shipping costs. That's why China, Russia and India absolutely will NOT buy into the stupid MYTH you've fallen for, which is a scheme to get more tax revenue into government's hands and that does NOTHING about stopping or reversing global warming, and at the cost of a higher tax burden on the entire population that leaves LESS for the population to spend on goods and services. You are FINE with those nations "f**cking up the planet" because you're so focused on hating Bush you don't even notice.

Hey Euromoron, we BUY the oil and pay the price set by the nations we BUY it from, and you must be too dimwitted to have noticed all the rhetoric coming from the imams, ayatollahs and mullahs for past 35 years--you're an "infidel," and the fact that you hate Bush doesn't mean they don't want to KILL YOU TOO.

It's a war against "infidels," and that means "everybody who doesn't pray to Allah 5 times a day facing Mecca and obey sharia law as radical Islam defines it."

Hate Bush all you want--just don't expect anybody here in the USA to care.

Considering Europe was the birthplace of Communism, National Socialism and two world wars and was rebuilt after WWII with US taxpayer funds under the Marshall Plan, you Euroclods are not to be taken very seriously in your critiques of how we Americans do things.

[–] miguedroimdb 16 years ago

as I said before: america is no lichestein...your policies have worldwide shockwaves. Thus, having Bush (a war criminal) or Gore (someone who can actually improve this world) as an american president...affects everyone in this planet.

they can INDIRECTLY control, since they restricting the companies actions in how they act according to the environment.

Speak for yourself, when Macdonalds or Microsoft gets heavy fines and raise their prices I just go someplace else...cheaper. Get it?

you talk like we´re dependent on these companies...there´s competition you know???

Obviously taxing monopolies is ridiculous, i agree with you there. But that´s why I´m against privatizing national companies...this is why it only leads to trouble!

it´s kinda hard not concentrate in hating bush when there´s buildings exploding around me with these terrorist attacks...something he created.

EXACTLY! the terrorists make no difference here in the west...and whose fault is that? republican governments whose actions try to pass as "the western world's line of thought"

actually I lived and worked with middle eastern people for 4 years: they're not like that. A true Muslin knows that what Bin Ladin has done is the greatest of sins.

I find it funny how you generalise people in Europe...it´s like me saying that everyone in America must be like charles manson or bush...no, there´s good people as well.

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lets cut with the BS for a sec, shall we? if you had a non-american cheering for republicans (i have never heard of that myth, but ok...)..you would shouting: "look...everyone loves us...even people outside america"

but nooooooooooo

because i´m giving you an impartial POV, you give me this xenophobic "you-don´t-count" kinda of approach.

hypocrasy...

and by the way: i don´t care about my country, europe, america or freakin' guatemala...i care about people..so insult the country i´m from all you want... lol

[–] kirrho 16 years ago

i can't sit here, reading all this s**t as a norwegian, and a european and not write anything..

some of the things you guys are fighting over are just redicilous.
starting with Bush, it's a known fact he has caused more problems than good. in fact he caused so many problems that (yes, it's a fact. look at polls or whatever you want to.) most of the world dislikes the USA.
I am not generalizing Americans now. couse i do know alot of americans who are great and smart people. and i'm thinking that's how about 50% of all the inhabitants of the USA judging by what i hear from the americans i know. and from the news etc, and last but not least.. the 50% who actually voted for bush. and are now voting for the next bible-thumper mckain. theese are the same KIND of people who cant even find England on a map, or the USA for that matter.

People go to USA, because it's a well known myth (this does not go for all cases ofcourse) that usa is the land of opportunities. amirite?
the land where everything is bigger, and prosperity is everywhere.
about 99% of all the illigal immirants end up poor as hell or in jail, or they get sent back.

and ofcourse you have the people migrating to USA because they seek another life. but that's a different story.

global warming is catastrophic when coming rapidly like it is now. with controlling of the "pollutants" this would be slowed down, and we could do more research on the subject and find ways to reverse it before it is too late. al gore might be an conartist in the ways that he earns *beep* of money from doing what he is. but he has also helped getting people to actually get their eyes up for this kind of stuff.

Europe may be the birthplace of alot of bad things such as the communist fundamentalsts who took over russia. but if you knew your history, you would know that Lenin was not such a bad guy, and that russia suffered ALOT more under the rule of the Tsar family. Stalin on the other hand, another case.. ofcourse we dont like him! but, if it was'nt for mr.Stalin, we would all have lost VS Germany during ww2. based on the sole facts that russian soldiers killed 2/3rds of all dead german soldiers during the war.
the cold war was horrible in many ways, but nothing ever happened on american soil. only afghan, vietnamese, and with some intervention of soviet and more from communist china on Korean soil.

over to the last subject here.

"Considering Europe was the birthplace of Communism, National Socialism and two world wars and was rebuilt after WWII with US taxpayer funds under the Marshall Plan, you Euroclods are not to be taken very seriously in your critiques of how we Americans do things. "

this is like talking about Europe as one country, something you Americans do way too often. it doesnt freaking matter which continent it happened upon. it's not like norwegians are guilty of world wars and mad dictators? I am eternally greatfull that you saved our asses here, but i'm quite disturbed by the fact that it took the bombing of pearl harbour and deaths of american citizens for you to react.

what you americans fail to see, is that the idea of communism, is a great idea. far better than capitalism, which is based upon the basic idea of someone having alot and someone having very very little. without poor people, rich people cant exist in a capitalist world. which is sickening to the least. communism, is the result of a thinking world, with people trying to find solutions to great problems in our world. only that it failed. in many ways it has succeded in it's task only one place. and that place is Cuba. yes Cuba, the one place you are TRAINED to hate. (they make killer cigars btw). no i am not saying Cuba is doing great. couse they are not. but they like Russia, were better off trading Batista for Castro. (as previously stated in russia's case, the Tsar family for Lenin)

Never forget where you come from. americans are all from europe, except the natives. who you btw. slaughtered, took the land from and put in camps... (do we see a small similarity to nazi germany, who also tried to wipe out a race based on the fact that they, "didn't fit in with the superiour Aryans"?)

With less than 5% of the world's population, America consumes about 1/4th of the worlds energy resources.
the average american consumes 6 times more energy than any other people in the world.

This is what i have to say. What disturbs me the most is that i am an 18 year old high-school dropout who spend most of my days playing world of warcraft and smoking cigarettes while trying to figure out how to get a girl to fall in love with me, and i obviously know ALOT more than you about your flawed world-police superpower country.

Edit: And don't get me started on national healthcare.. you ALL know that's just a retarded situation which would take me ages to write about.

[–] ancatdoh 16 years ago

"What disturbs me the most is that i am an 18 year old high-school dropout who spend most of my days playing world of warcraft and smoking cigarettes while trying to figure out how to get a girl to fall in love with me, and i obviously know ALOT more than you about your flawed world-police superpower country."

You obviously know very little, and what should disturb you the most is that you wrote this:

"what you americans fail to see, is that the idea of communism, is a great idea. far better than capitalism, which is based upon the basic idea of someone having alot and someone having very very little. without poor people, rich people cant exist in a capitalist world. which is sickening to the least. communism, is the result of a thinking world, with people trying to find solutions to great problems in our world. only that it failed. in many ways it has succeded in it's task only one place. and that place is Cuba. yes Cuba, the one place you are TRAINED to hate. (they make killer cigars btw). no i am not saying Cuba is doing great. couse they are not. but they like Russia, were better off trading Batista for Castro. (as previously stated in russia's case, the Tsar family for Lenin)"

If Cuba is communism's greatest "success," then why do people set out in leaky open boats to ESCAPE it? Talk to a few Cuban expatriots and you'll find out just how life is in that "worker's paradise," where you'll find "the basic idea of someone having alot and someone having very very little" is illustrated by high government officials having a lot and EVERYBODY else having very little.

"it's a known fact he [Bush] has caused more problems than good. in fact he caused so many problems that (yes, it's a fact. look at polls or whatever you want to.) most of the world dislikes the USA.

No, Norwegian kid--the "fact" is that YOU dislike Bush, and in your "18 year old high-school dropout who spend most of my days playing world of warcraft and smoking cigarettes while trying to figure out how to get a girl to fall in love with me" OPINION, "he has caused more problems than good," and opinion polls reflect opinions, not facts.

Most of the world dislikes the USA? Assuming that's true, only a nation of sniveling cowards would lower its standard of living and craft its foreign policy in order to be disliked less by the rest of the world. Iran doesn't like us? North Korea? Russia? China--no, they like us OK because we buy so many manufactured goods from them. Islamic militants in South West Asia and Africa? Venezuela? Cuba? Marxist thugs? European Socialists?

I'm GLAD we're "disliked" by that lot!

If you want to get a girl to fall in love with you, finish high school, get off the computer, and get a job--you're never going to make anything of yourself or even meet a girl "playing world of warcraft and smoking cigarettes while trying to figure out how to get a girl to fall in love with" you.

There's a word for that in America, several actually, including "geek" and "loser" and "bum," and girls don't go for high school dropouts who spend most of their days playing world of warcraft and smoking cigarettes and resenting the USA.

[–] psylentangel 16 years ago

"NO, they pass the INCREASED COSTS ONTO THE REST OF US AND WRECK THE ECONOMY. If government adds a new tax on ANY product or service, THEIR CUSTOMERS are the ones who pay, not the "big companies."

Just a thought, if that is a concern then push for something that works like a no retaliation cause. The company gets hit by the high tax and it comes out of Profits, the company is forbiden by law to do a mass firing, or raise prices on their services unless said tax puts them in the black (I believe that is the term when you are making less then you are spending.) That would seem to solve that.

[–] ZanderX21 17 years ago

Yeah, thanks to the war I got acquired the skills to work with a private security company, I own a nice house now that they are dirt cheap, I have insurance so I can go see a qualified doctor, and overall I've done pretty well for myself. So stop complaining and get a job hippie or I don't know instead of posting internet polls or topics saying how much this country sucks right now, go out and do something about it.

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[–] ZanderX21 17 years ago

Oh and if you didn't want this president to win, you know you could of voted against him... especially the second time around. Just saying, when I don't want someone to win an election I usually vote against the guy, instead of just doing nothing. That's if you're part of the near 70% of Americans who didn't vote.

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[–] dgates64 17 years ago

"That's if you're part of the near 70% of Americans who didn't vote".

Trust me dude, that's all going to change this November. People learned what happens when you're complacent about politics. That's why the turnout and fund raising has switched so dramatically in favor of the Democrats.

It won't be easy, because old conservatives don't have anything better to do than head on down to the polling station in their EZ Scooters to vote. Then they can scoot right back to the senior center and resume their gin rummy game.

But even the silver brigade isn't going to help this time.

[–] ZanderX21 17 years ago

That's what I'm honestly hoping for. I'm so sick and tired of people complaining and then finding out that they didn't even vote. Americans have forgotten how much power they have when voting it seems.

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[–] krisweddin 17 years ago

Most peoples votes have no power. Vote for President in NJ a 1000 times if you'd like, it won't matter, no effect. NY, California, etc...they're already decided.

[–] ZanderX21 17 years ago

Sorry I should of mentioned when we were united we had a lot more power. These days it seems like we just want to fight each other every chance we get. Like one guy would say let's impeach Bush then another person who doesn't like Bush either will fight him by saying that it's impossible to do and wont even try.

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[–] Rickenbacker29 17 years ago

Hey idiots, all you people talking about the power of your vote. haa, did you see what happened? did those people in florida's vote count or did the 9 votes in a certain court have more power. think about it. sellouts.

oh, and by the way dude, the fact that the best economic job opportunities for normal joes are in Baghdad as contract positions fixing up or shooting people in a country that is waiting for civil war should tell u something.

[–] sheila-33 17 years ago

As a matter of fact, a consortium of newspapers did a full recount of votes on Florida and Bush still won by 535 votes. Look it up.
Two links provided here to help you along. One source USA Today, the other PBS - but there are scores of other sources. You should inform yourself the right way instead of letting movies and actors give you all your history lessons.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2001-04-03-floridamain.htm

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/media/media_watch/jan-june01/recount_4-3.html

[–] tjtmd 16 years ago

and so should a 27% approval rating

[–] nctyler 17 years ago

Al Gore won the popular vote. You may be very complacent in your own life, Mr. ZanderX21, but consider that you are a part of the biggest debtor nation ever. What will happen to your nice life if China calls in its chips? Are you OK with the fact that we provide arms to Iraq?

Life might be comfy and cozy for you right now and you are not choosing to have sick children. Can you be so certain that your parents won't get sick? Have you got yourself long-term insurance for medical catastrophes so that you will never become a drag on the body politic? And what if your interest rates go up to beyond where you can pay?

You just might be living in a fool's paradise. Yes, it could happen to the very best of Republicans!

[–] Jonas-14 17 years ago

Al Gore knew when running the race that it's the electoral vote that counts. If he'd just won his home state, no FL issue. If the media just followed their own rules and were competent, and didn't call FL before the polls in the FL Panhandle closed, Bush victory by 6-10K votes, no issue.

After 2000, Hillary railed against the electoral college (and paper ballots). Now Hillary hasn't followed through and the electoral vote argument is her best for taking the Dem primary (and the Dems are screaming to avoid the same electronic voting machines they were screaming for 8 years ago).

Yes, I am very much glad that weak Al Gore did not become president - the best candidate won, and it wasn't Al.

[–] padget24 17 years ago

{Al Gore won the popular vote.} Yes but we don't elect by popular vote in this country but by ELECTORAL vote ,which is what Bush won. Oh by the way, if Gore had won the ELECTORAL votes for his home state of Tennessee it would of been a moot point who got the Florida votes, in fact everyone could of voted for Nader in Florida Gore still would of won, because he would of had more than enough ELECTORAL votes to win. Get that ELECTORAL vote is what the Prez is elected by, NOT popular vote, so get over it!!!

[–] dsheatley 17 years ago

Voting is a crock. How can my vote matter when a nominee who won the popular vote DIDNT WIN????

[–] kenneglds 17 years ago

>>> if you didn't want this president to win, you know you could have voted against him

You mean I should have gone along with those who gave more votes to Gore than Bush in 2000?

>>> escepially the second time around

Actually, I voted against Bush both times. You make a lot of assumptions, don't you?

[–] ZanderX21 17 years ago

Yes, in fact I do. So many people like to complain about Bush then I always ask who did you vote for in the last election and just about every time the person complaining will say then didn't vote at all. So if you put the numbers up if even half the people who didn't vote in the elections voted for the other guy the electoral vote will have had to go to him. At the end of the day we the people run this country but we have to get off our lazy asses and actually put a little effort into it.

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[–] Wakka_Strife 16 years ago

Last time I checked, Gore got the popular vote in 2000. The ELECTORAL COLLEGE chose Bush for us, the people did not.

You know, that system that was developed when you had to go on horseback from one town to another, and couldn't get info on candidates. Completely outdated and unneccesary today. So please so spewing that garbage that we put him in office. You make about as much sense as O'Reilly.

[–] captgeoslady 17 years ago

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Yeah, thanks to the war I got acquired the skills to work with a private security company, I own a nice house now that they are dirt cheap, I have insurance so I can go see a qualified doctor, and overall I've done pretty well for myself. So stop complaining and get a job hippie or I don't know instead of posting internet polls or topics saying how much this country sucks right now, go out and do something about it.
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I am soooooo happy for you!
On the other hand, I have to decide whether to EAT or purchase GAS to do my JOB. I have no insurance but I DO have diabetes. I can't afford my medication so I do without. I can't afford to rent a house, let alone buy a house...and my bills are so high that I never have any money left to pay my OLD BILLS. Thanks to good ole Dubya and his cronies...by the way....I LIVE IN FLORIDA AND I SURE AS CRAP DIDN'T VOTE FOR him OR this!

[–] ZanderX21 17 years ago

Well that sucks for you, though I have to ask, How did you get into so much debt not being able to pay your bills and what not? I mean hell a person who lives by themselves can afford most of the things they need to live on with an 8 dollar and hour paycheck. It's all about money management, buddy.

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[–] captgeoslady 17 years ago

Well lets see...you ass u me that I live alone...

I have custody of my severely handicapped grandson. I have my moderately handicapped son living with me, I have my daughter living with me. I have my HUSBAND living with me...all our incomes together do not add up to enough money to live on - thanks to the A$$hole in Chief and his cronies. $4.00 gas prices, ridiculously high food prices - engine repairs due to the new law that mandates ALL gas in the state of Florida must include ethanol - whether or not it harms vehicles that were not built to utilize it.

I am a newspaper carrier - my vehicle is my livelihood. Today it cost me $75 to fill my tank - and I dont have an oversized SUV - buddy.

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[–] captgeoslady 17 years ago

Bush is the primary force behind the ethanol debate. NOT the liberals. Oh yeah - take away the farm subsidies that pay farmers NOT to grow and make them actually WORK for a living and then maybe lower and middle class people could afford to buy food for their families.

I really hope that the people in the north and elsewhere find a good substitute for oranges and grapefruit from S Florida - because most of the groves are being sold for development instead of growing fruit.

[–] dwarol 17 years ago

Would somebody explain to me what this whole thread has to do with the merits of the movie "Recount"? There are plenty of other message boards to go to if you just want to discuss politics...

[–] captgeoslady 17 years ago

Oh and one other thing - there is plenty of oil surrounding Florida and the rest of the coastline - there is plenty of oil in Alaska - why are we not utilizing that?

Why are the commodities brokers allowed to artificially inflate the price of a barrel of oil? It is not just the middle eastern countries - it is the Bush and Cheney cronies manipulating the market.

[–] Phenom25 17 years ago

The reason we don't drill for oil within the continental United States or offshore is because of the tree huggers who are commonly associated with the Democratic Party.

Food is on the rise because of the increase on gas prices. You can't blame Bush for the rise in Oil, all of that is determined by the market. Emerging Industrialized countries such as China and India are increasing their demand of oil exponentially. This is going to naturally effect the cost of oil in our country since worldwide demand has increased. Don't blame Bush for these things, unless you advocate him nuking those countries so we can have the oil for ourselves.

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[–] HLB1 17 years ago

"high gas prices can not be blamed on the president or government"

This is so wrong. High energy prices are directly attributable to the government. Oil trades on the world market in dollars. The dollar has less value everyday as a result of government spending, borrowing from foreign nations (via the sale of treasury bills) and the FED printing presses running at full speed, etc. Check a financial site for a chart on the money supply. The world is awash in dollars. As the dollar declines in value, oil prices will continue to rise, demand up or down. Neither OPEC or any other oil producing nation will sell oil in dollars and end up losing money via currency conversion.

As far as this thread is concerned, I am a Republican and voted for Bush twice. I am sorry I did. The Republican party and its core values have been destroyed. I am NOT happy 8 years later.

Go ahead, make my day....

[–] xSoupyTwist 17 years ago

"high gas prices can not be blamed on the president or government..oil is a business and as long as we depend on the middle east for oil, they will always keep the supply low..they (middle eastern countries) do not care that we are paying 4 dollars at the pump..theyre making money..they are doing what a business is supposed to do..now with the part about high food prices..that can be blamed on liberals wanting to use ethanol..ethanol=high corn prices, which will then make farmers stop growing other goods, like wheat and such..then the supply of those goods falls..now i dont know about the whole all gas in florida must include ethanol, because i live in south florida and non of my families cars have been harmed by any sort of oil, so i dont buy that.."

um, only a small percentage of our oil comes from the Middle East. And considering that the Bush family is a pretty big supporter of oil companies seeing as it gets them money, i think the president can be blamed. And, if he had been a bit more demanding on finding alternative energy which we basically have the technology to do, we wouldn't have this "oil crisis" or the environmental one. Well, granted we can't control the environment, so i guess i take that back, but just a little. And a new report shows that ethanol made from just about any plant matter except sugar cane is not efficient enough. Using corn to make ethanol is stupid. It wastes way too much energy just to grow corn and to convert it. Sugar cane is the only efficient enough vegetable matter and therefore why Brazil has been called the success story of ethanol. So ethanol is not the answer...
i'm sure you guys can do a little more digging to find out this kind of stuff. i'm assuming you're an adult. i'm only 15, and i know this...no offense...i don't mean to be cocky or anything.

[–] ZanderX21 17 years ago

I know you love your children so please do not fly off the handle when I say this. To me it seems that you shouldn't have had those children if you didn't have enough money to handle them. I'm not sure if your boys were born handicapped or something happened to them. Though if they were born that way you should have stopped having children in order to be able to take care of our what you already have. Job wise I'd advise you to get another job so that you don't spend your paycheck on gas. I'm not sure what work your husband does but if he can take 2 jobs until you all are back on your feet. Honestly though before having kids you should of at least spent the 2 years in a junior college to help yourself out in the future.

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[–] bunnie_133 17 years ago

"To me it seems that you shouldn't have had those children if you didn't have enough money to handle them. I'm not sure if your boys were born handicapped or something happened to them. Though if they were born that way you should have stopped having children in order to be able to take care of our what you already have. Job wise I'd advise you to get another job so that you don't spend your paycheck on gas. I'm not sure what work your husband does but if he can take 2 jobs until you all are back on your feet. Honestly though before having kids you should of at least spent the 2 years in a junior college to help yourself out in the future."

Wow, that's rude.

-You don't know why her children are living there. Perhaps there was no financial problem when they were raised.

-You don't know what her job skills are. You don't know why she has a newspaper carrier job. And if she does get "another job so that she doesn't spend her paycheck on gas," won't she have to commute to work too?

-You don't know what her husband's schedule/pay/job skills are, so you can't advise him to get two jobs if you don't even know how much time he has, whether he can or if he wants to, etc. Perhaps he has two jobs and you're assuming he doesn't.

-You don't know why she had children, whether it was intentional or not. And you shouldn't view children as people that vaccuum money from families, if that's what your advice, or rather, criticism, is.

[–] ZanderX21 17 years ago

The word "if" is a magical thing.

If her kid's were born mentally handicapped it is kind of selfish to continue having more kids. Plus many poor families who are unable to raise one child will end up having 3 to 5 kids just get a little extra money from Uncle Sam.

She is a newspaper carrier, meaning that it will cost her a good amount of money while she is making money. I wouldn't recommend quitting a job right off the bat but definitely secure another one then quit. If it will cost her less (in gas) to work at some other place then she should take it.

I said I didn't know what job he has I'm just going by what she told me, everyone lives with her and neither them can make enough money to keep steady.

Again if you and your spouse can barely make due at this time, why would you bring a baby into this struggle? A box of condoms is a lot cheaper than raising a child.

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[–] Rickenbacker29 17 years ago

Yes, i don't disagree with that but republicans are against abortion! so how the hell do they plan on having all these kids that shouldn't be born paid for? because they don't believe in any type of federal or state aid to the poor. so which is it, should they have the kids or not??

[–] xfrehdeathx 17 years ago

Its not Bush's fault that your job job sucks...stop complaining and do something about it

[–] Rickenbacker29 17 years ago

Ya, this guy is right! W. Bush is the biggest moron in the history of politics and he got elected to the most important job in the world so ya, do something about it. you have to be smarter than G.W. so get off your lazy ass.

of course it helps when you're born into a blue blood east coast family. that is connecticut by the way and not texas. that is his adoptive home. he likes to portray that john wayne image but i'm sure you guys know when he and dick cheney were young, they were too busy to put their lives on the line for their country. interesting to me that those types are always the biggest war hawks. wolfowitz too. a candy ass's candy ass if you will, that guy.

[–] willbo_baggins2002 17 years ago

Ahh but you can afford an internet connection and a computer? And cable, too, since you watched this movie. Seems to me that you have a few luxuries you might want to cut back on if you are indeed choosing between gas and food.

[–] acooley12 17 years ago

Yeah, I don't know if you've noticed or not but inflation for energy, food and housing is up to ridiculous proportions and we are 37th in the world in health care. Our economy is crumbling while the Euro is worth one and a half times what our once infalable dollar is. Our education system is a joke and because of the mortgage crisis more and more kids cannot afford to go to college thanks to Fannie Mae and co. Granted, we stood pat for a long time even before good ole' Governor Bush on a lot of these issues, but now that MY generation is going to have to face a 3 TRILLION dollar defecit caused by this *beep* war, things are only going to get worse.

[–] shaolindave 17 years ago

pbbt... "I can't afford insurance. I have to choose wether i can eat or purchase gas, but i can still afford a computer and internet access!"

typical liberal, making up a sob story trying to make the honest people feel bad.

[–] darkthunder84 17 years ago

There are several possibilities to explain his internet access:

- Internet Café
- Friends House
- "leaching off someones wireless"

Any of which could give the guy internet access, without having to pay for it. This includes his ability to use a computer, with the exception being leaching off someones wireless. However he could've got the computer a few years back and as such not very new or expensive by todays standards.

[–] lae21 17 years ago

You forgot that the library has free internet access, also dial up can be pretty cheap (under $10 a month with some ISPs)

Typical wingnuts throwing out the strawman arguments (and of course we don't know that Zander guy might be posting from his Mommy's basement)

[–] ZanderX21 17 years ago

Haha, yeah wouldn't that be saddest thing. Though hell if you have financial problems why not go live with mom and dad till you get back on your feet, nothing wrong with improving your life.

Oh and let me just apologize for actually making something of myself instead of sitting around complaining about things, waiting for that one special event that would solve all my problems.

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[–] telemoondo 16 years ago

But spending time posting on pointless messages boards...about a made-for-TV movie, no less...from the library/internet cafe/whatever probably isn't the best use of her time if she's deciding between food and gas.

Hopefully, she didn't buy a mocha latte to drink while wasting time on the web.

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[–] ZanderX21 17 years ago

I know this is a shocker but the world isn't filled with unicorns and rainbows. It's a violent world and I know what people need in order to survive in it. Did I start any of these war? No. Am I personally going around killing people? No. So what have I done? I have given these people the ability to defend themselves from any attacker big or small. So according to you I should just let the attacker just slaughter all the people who I could possibly give them weapons and the ability to protect themselves.

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[–] aimei2006 17 years ago

That's a shock to me, thanks for letting me know. Yes, the world is violent, but there are just wars (Afghanistan), and unjust ones (Iraq.) If you can work for war profiteers and mercenaries who can do what they want in Iraq with impunity, I guess that's your decision. I just think people who work for Blackwater et al should know that not everyone in the US clueless and knows the dirty tricks these traitors play to steal BILLIONS for their own advancement. That's not a personal indictment, it's people at the top setting the policies but personally, since I am aware of the crimes committed against American taxpayers and innocent Iraqis AND Americans who have been shot and raped by mercenaries there. I'm sure most of the mercenaries are decent, but just the fact that they can do these things and there is nothing in the US law to punish them is an outrage. I saw Blackwater at a career fair on my campus and I would have loved to have shut them down. But I'm sure Eric Prince (assuming you work at Blackwater) thanks you for all your hard work. I've seen his house in McLean he built with stolen taxpayer money, he's certainly done well for himself.

Obama for America!!

[–] shaolindave 17 years ago

Obama for New Iran!!

[–] fukeneh 16 years ago

McCain for the old folk's home!

[–] lorrigirl 17 years ago

So you profited from the misery of others? How do you sleep at night?

[–] ZanderX21 17 years ago

Is this directed at my post?

If it is, I sleep very well. Though every night I wonder, why I continue on with this? I know I've never killed anyone but I've provided so many to do so. It's heartbreaking. Nah, just kidding. I don't feel anything like that. Yes, it's insensitive but come on now. Humans are no more better than any other mammal on the planet. What makes us different is two things our belief that a magic invisible man is guiding our every move and our ability to kill something without even knowing it ever existed in the first place.

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[–] point_zero_xbl 17 years ago

Except houses aren't dirt cheap now, they're still twice the price that they used to be. You can't see a qualified doctor with your insurance if something happens to you and they find a "pre-existing condition" or some reason to believe that covering you would not be in their best interest.

[–] DP_IL 17 years ago

Great, you got skills from a war to work for a private security company. And all it cost was the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, both Americans and Iraqis, one of the biggest recessions in American history, a housing crisis that has disenfranchised untold numbers of real estate agents, the largest deficit in history, and the erosion of the middle class while education has plummeted thanks to No Child Left Behind.

But hey, as long as you're okay, *beep* everyone else, right? At least until something bad happens to you. Say that insurance of yours doesn't cover some condition you develop. Say your kid can't afford a college education. Say you lose that cushy security job and need to rely on almost nonexistent veteran benefits or unemployment and guess what happens?

All of a sudden, the GOP doesn't seem so appealing.

[–] JosephtheLibertarian 17 years ago

Too bad you had to be a parasite on the tax payer money, I guess because you're too useless to make any mark in a real free market without government contracts, eh? statist

America needs fewer laws, not more prisons. – James Bovard

[–] poliphant-1 17 years ago

"Yeah, thanks to the war I got acquired the skills to work with a private security company, I own a nice house now that they are dirt cheap, I have insurance so I can go see a qualified doctor, and overall I've done pretty well for myself. So stop complaining and get a job hippie or I don't know instead of posting internet polls or topics saying how much this country sucks right now, go out and do something about it. "

Wouldn't taking a course in those skills be a better method to acquire them than one that requires the death of thousands of people?

And I'd just LOVE to go out and do something about it, but we are told this is a civilized country and we make change by virtue of voting...

So you can see why when I'm given an indication that the very method, the only legal method, to affect change has been compromised to the point that votes don't count if some group cries harder enough not to count them.

So, how pray tell do you affect change, when voting is how you affect change, and what's wrong needs changing is the voting process?

Stop being such a part liners and look at the BIG picture! The problem is not who is the president, the problem is we are losing our freedom to make change.

I TRULY hope someday YOUR vote is not counted due to some technicality, and that YOUR candidate loses as a result, and see how much you still support the voting system when that happens.

Apparently you need to actually get hit in the head before anyone will convince you that it hurts. .. :)

[–] bacci40 17 years ago

zanderx21 is like all good wingnuts

i got mine...so eff the rest of you

compassionate conservatives....what a load of bull

[–] kenneglds 17 years ago

>>> thanks to the war I got acquired the skills to work with a private security company, I own a nice house now that they are dirt cheep, I have i nsurance so I can see a qualified doctor, and overall I've done a pretty well for myself.

Well how wonderful that war, death, torture and suffering has proven to be such a great thing for you. How can I not give thumbs up to Bush, considering how much you've prospered from the war?

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[–] ZanderX21 17 years ago

Wow that was harsh what did I ever do to you? Why did you have to bring my family into this who thing? See what the Libs like to do. They hope for the death of their fellow Americans and hope for the entire destruction of that American's family just because they don't agree politically. I didn't zero in on one person in this little debate we were having. The poster that replied with mentioning their family I responded by giving out my opinion on how they could have bettered themselves. That was the only person who I talked specifically about. So you, a person who has not even been this whole thing, come in calling me names, hoping for my death, and the later devastation of my family. Wow it really shows what Liberals truly are.

Doesn't it suck when that one guy comes in and ruins what the rest of you worked for?

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[–] ZanderX21 16 years ago

Me did wrong? Me sorry, me no intelligent being like you. Me go now and break rocks.

C'mon, really? You're going to make a fuss over a writing error?

Plus I didn't say anything about liking the guy, I'm just happy 8 years later.

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[–] m-rod1 17 years ago

its very narrow minded of you to think that one man caused the issues in our country today.

lol. i am glad you think you have everything figured out. im not even a republican but i had to respond.

everyone knows 2 things.

economically it takes 4-6 years to see what you have done.
for example, because clinton is in office doesnt mean all the good things happening at that time are because of him, obviously the ball had to start rolling at a certain point.

so as far as bushs contribution to our country, we will see it in obamas term.

and as far as are you happy. i would say yes i am. because my happiness has nothing to do with what i hear on the news.

america has become a country of complaints. a country where the right to be offended, greatly outweighs the right to freedom of speech.

[–] Blacktrack 17 years ago

so as far as bushs contribution to our country, we will see it in obamas term.

Clinton and bush were 2 term presidents and clinton blows bush out of the water.

Whats the point of a signature?

[–] m-rod1 17 years ago

lol. thats just the point. economically, wouldnt you see the things that clinton accomplished in bush's terms?

or what bush sr. did in clintons????

if you read economics, those things hold true.

lol. i dont mean to get sick, but when you wrote clinton blows bush out of the water, i couldnt help but think, clinton didnt do the blowing..... lol.

1.BUSH
2.CLINTON
3.CLINTON
4.BUSH
5.BUSH
6..............AND SHE THINKS VOTING FOR HER WILL BRING CHANGE. i'm sure. lets give another last name a chance, im pretty sure we came here to get away from the whole Royalty way of thinking....

[–] Goosejuice 17 years ago

"economically it takes 4-6 years to see what you have done."

OK, Bush has been in office for 8 years, so I guess 4-6 years after he got in office we are seeing his effects now, which is total garbage. Our economy is in shambles, gas prices are at record highs, our debt is growing and growing, we are outsourcing jobs at an alarming rate, we are giving tax breaks to the rich and the corporations.

So yeah, I'm not even anti-Republican (if you wanna call Bush a Republican...which I wouldn't), but Bush will go down as the worst president in American history. Hands down.

Now, I'm sure Obama will win, he will probably withdraw the troops from the war, and we will probably be attacked by a terrorist and the Republicans will cry "SEE DEMOCRATS CANT PROTECT US", but the truth is Republicans have incited another generation of American-hating terrorist that are planning an attack on us right now.

I hope I am wrong...though ideally Obama will be a savior and go down as one of the best presidents in our history (at least in comparison to Bush, Shaq would have a higher approval rating as President), but our country is too divided to allow such a thing to happen.

We need to stop the blaming each others side and take responsibility for our actions. We are all Americans. High gas prices isn't a partisan issue. Global warming isn't a partisan issue. Keeping our troops safe isn't a partisan issue. The fact that it is seen as such these days just shows how much down the sh!tter American politics has fallen.

[–] thedoctorissick 17 years ago

I love how you just called for a need to stop blaming each others side while blaming Republicans for inciting a new generation of American-hating terrorists just a few lines before. Nice.

[–] Goosejuice 17 years ago

haha, touche pk.

My point is politicians should start working together. They all have the same idea of where they want the country to go, the only difference is HOW they carry out those plans. We all want a surplus, not a deficit. We all want peace, not war. We all want economic/social equity, not inequity.

Unless I'm missing something, those are things they should be working towards, not the blame game. With that said, I stand by the fact that Bush has incited a generation of terrorist (not Republicans as I previously...I don't consider Bush a true Republican).

[–] m-rod1 17 years ago

the only thing that keeps this country from dividing is the fact that every 4 years, half of it has the chance to "overthrow" the other half (in a wierd sort of way) so thats all that keeps people talking. have your bumperstickers... bashing the next guy,

i mean, why dont we just split in half??? seroiusly everyone would actually be so much happier.

but we are UNITED states of america.

lol. its too funny.

[–] Hollybollie3 17 years ago

Yes, I am happy.

Any complaints I would have would be surrounded around Bush not being tough enough on various things such as the situation in Iraq.

But yeah, I am happy 8 years later.

Don't vote for Obama this November.
Life comes at you fast, but you can't cry about it.

[–] skinnyyeahright 17 years ago

"i mean, why dont we just split in half??? seroiusly everyone would actually be so much happier. "

We tried that.... sadly, the south lost :)

[–] code_05 17 years ago

"4-6 years"
I'm not a mathematician but I think it's been around 8 give or take

[–] shaolindave 17 years ago

obviously not a mathematician... it hasn't been 8 years since bush left office. he's still in. keep waiting.

[–] Dave_44 17 years ago

Very Happy, I'm much better off today than 8 years ago.

[–] code_05 17 years ago

Yea, I never said he had been OUT for 8 years. it's been just about 8 years since he got in. And they guy earlier mentioned that it took 4-6 years to see any results. So I'm thinking we're seeing them

[–] m-rod1 17 years ago

you dont see EVERYTHING obviously. some of the things that have been passed or signed, within say 1-2 years ago. we will see the outcome in the next term

and i am in no way a bush lover, but in the NOW media we have, its easy to blame everything on him.

when his whole first term was alot of stuff that, economically took place in the previous term (clinton)

[–] mr_pear 17 years ago

You might not be a Bush lover but you are just as dumb as they are. During his 1st term of office our economy wasn't in the *beep* hole it is in today. So obviously the effect of W's poor decision making is taking its toll and clearly visible 8 years into his presidency.

[–] m-rod1 17 years ago

lol. you are sooooo bright.

one man. did all of this to our country. it has nothing to do with the fact that our country is built on making money off of nothing. we over pay everyone for everything. media, sports, even photographers get 2,500 dollars for pushing a button.

so yeah. i am as dumb as them. or are you. to think that over the past 30 years you couldnt see this coming is VERY either dumb or naive of you.

i am sure a few more people are involved than a president. not including the business side of things that have NOTHING to do with the president.

lol. yeah. im the dumb one.

did you know that in the mid 70's the price of a house almost doubled?!?! i bet you didnt know that during the same time that this was taking place there was a huge push by women to be taken seriously, and they decided to also work full time. so. what does that mean??/ umm.....

2 house hold incomes? lets double the price of a house.

again, its ironic that you are too dumb to actually see what our country is built on, when its all you look at every day. nothing. entertainment. vacations. houses and cars you dont really (i stress really) need.

where did you morons think it was going to go?????? / right. lets pay people 25 million dollars ( A YEAR ) to hit a baseball 6 months of the year. oh yeah, are economy will be fine, we will just give everyone 600 dollars to spend. lol.

right.

again. has nothing to do with bush. if you think so, you are a product of todays media.

dont you think we should pay knights and men of honor more than jesters???

kind of backwards today huh????

[–] shaolindave 17 years ago

"a product of today's media."

that's the perfect way to put it. these people will believe anything they hear on TV.

[–] whydoeseverythingsuck 17 years ago

Look, it isn't that a single man is responsible for all the woes in this country today. In fact, I doubt that Bush has had all that much personal influence in and of himself, but rather he brought in a cadre that was representative of a very disturbing trend in "Republican" politics.

Bush, it seems, has primarily served as a useful tool for numerous old-school Republican hardliners. Bush can barely put a coherent sentence together, but he did manage to put Cheney into a position of influence (the role of Vice President being VASTLY expanded beyond any precedent), Rumsfeld, Rove and others less familiar to the public eye. Hell, even Poindexter is currently consulting for the DoD, and the man is a convicted felon (charges overturned on a technicality) for some real insanity during Iran-Contra. But he's back under Bush, something almost unthinkable to those of us old enough to remember those dark days. Justices Alito and Roberts are shaping up to be major deciders on the Constitutional interpretation for the remainder of my lifetime, and that alone is enough to shift the American future to a startling degree. Another conservative appointment to the SC would almost certainly spell.... well, I don't know what, but it would be dramatic to say the least. Plus Gonzales, Ashcroft, the list goes on and on.

Regardless of these facts, it is undeniable that a single man can have a pretty marked sway on the condition of a country if that man is the President, and has furthermore done considerable work to make the Office powerful beyond any credible interpretation of the Constitution as well as historic by any measure. The man's economic policies have done little to serve the American people et large, instead transforming the huge profits of already booming companies (i.e. oil, medical and insurance companies) into astronomical profits, while systematically decimating the middle and lower classes of this country. I won't even mention the Wars in any detail here, most people are aware of those disasters already. My only comment in that regard is to query: Why are we in Iraq? The President himself has admitted that Iraq had no connection to 9/11, so what exactly is the reason? That Saddam was a bad man? Well, last I checked there are 25 other countries ruled by dictatorships, so why there?

The truth of the matter is that I am a Republican, Bush is NOT. I believe in lower taxes. Not just for the richest Americans, but for all. The opposite of this is true today. I believe in my civil rights. Many of those rights have been suspended by this administration to an appalling degree. I believe in smaller gov't, but today the government is larger than during any other time in the nation's history, and has a national debt now surpassing 9 TRILLION dollars. Selling America to China is not exactly what I had in mind when I decided fiscal responsibility was a good idea. I believe in personal freedom. Instead, these so-called Republicans are trying to restrict abortion, stop gay marriage, suspend my right to privacy, suspend my right to free speech and eliminate habius corpus. I believe in a conservative foreign policy, but instead I find my country engaged in an intractable war that is costing hundreds of billions of dollars per year with no end in sight. I believe in a strong national defense, and instead I find that most of our National Guard units are serving overseas, with recruitment figures plunging month after month.

Bush is NOT a Republican. Not even close.

I saw this coming a mile away, I thought the worst was on its way, but nothing could have prepared me for this travesty. These people are dangerous, and I can only pray that the USA survives the damage wreaked upon it by this irresponsible and possibly criminally negligent band of maniacs currently calling the shots at the highest levels of power.

That is all.

-W

[–] dudemon 17 years ago

Wow, yes. Exactly. Whydoeseverythingsuck, you and I think very much alike. I too am struggling to find what in the world has happened to the Republican party. The Party has completely lost touch with EVERYTHING that it is supposed to stand for. Instead of low taxes, free-market and small government, it has taken on a whole different agenda. They've begun to follow the bible more than the constitution. It's silly! All of these "acts to protect America," and the whole idea of outlawing abortion and gay marriage all go against the Constitution. They're trying to take our personal liberties away, and succeeding. I don't know where this country is headed, but it isn't as promising as our past. There needs to be change, and I'm not talking Obama change. The country MUST return to our roots. We need to follow the constitution. We need to let "the land of the free" be our mantra, not just our motto.

Many of us TRULY Republican minded people find ourselves agreeing with the views of the Libertarian party. This is where many Republicans that are sick of the party have gone. Ron Paul is the great example of the Republican with the old-school Republican views. He isn't one of these silly Jesus-loving Republicans. He is a constitutionalist. He is very much a Libertarian. I pray that this party grows, and fast. We need the voice of the constitution to emerge from between two self-serving political parties.

This movie disturbed me very much. I was ten years old at the time of the 2000 election and it was a great way to learn about it.

I will be voting for Obama.

[–] BigDNAGun 17 years ago

Everytime Bush is on TV I LMAO. He still says the stupidest things and will go down in history as a lame duck for putting this country into a economic black hole and initializing a recession. Way to go conservatives, you've done your party and philosophy proud by electing this skunk for two terms!

Go ahead and force John McCain to morph into a second Bush if it will make you happy instead of abandoning the sinking ship brought to you by Karl Rove.

Life is the *beep* that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come.

[–] Sawyer1625 17 years ago

Bush is the Jimmy Carter for Republicans,The man failed and everyone has to see that now

[–] jla3490-1 17 years ago

At least Jimmy Carter did some things right during his Presidency (SALT, Voyager, Afghanistan intervention). People should have listened to him in the 1979 "Energy Crisis" speech instead of listening to Reagan's "Morning in America" speech.

Trust No One

[–] DP_IL 17 years ago

Had Carter's energy policies not been reversed the instant Reagan came into office, we'd be in a much better place right now.

[–] kgoods21 17 years ago

Hmm well 70% of Americans own their own home. We have the highest average household salary in the world. Where the only country in the world who stands up to help a country to achieve its freedom. Whether it was flawed decision or not. We have stood up against Radical Islam. Up until 2 years ago the country's economy was doing great. Although, most geniuses dont realize that everything happens in a cycle.

[–] lorrigirl 17 years ago

I don't know where you get your kool aid. People are losing their homes in record numbers and Europe is doing way better economically.

[–] DP_IL 17 years ago

Where the only country in the world who stands up to help a country to achieve its freedom.

As long as that country isn't in Africa.

We have stood up against Radical Islam.

And al Qaeda's recruitment has skyrocketed.

[–] acooley12 17 years ago

Yeah, I hope those Republican douchebags are satisfied with the retarded cowboy that they elected in '00 (oh wait, he wasn't elected in '00). Just goes to show how utterly incompetent the entire Bush campaign was. They cheated the people of Florida out of their right to have their votes counted just to falsely elect an administration that has effectively destroyed the Republican party. Good luck John McCain, you're gonna need it. All Obama needs to say come September is "Iraq? Bin Laden? Economy? Gas prices? National debt? Need I say more?"

[–] m-rod1 17 years ago

lol. all obama needs to say come september? maybe the whole dem. party should stop fighting like girls.

[–] acooley12 17 years ago

Maybe the answer to all our problems is not FIGHTING. That is the typical conservative bs, "democrats are whimps and you need us to fend off the scary arab terrorists". Obama runs on a platform of tollerance and mutual understanding. When he wants to mediate peace overseas, the republicans always say "no, we can't talk to our sworn enemies" like oh yeah, lets just invade them because it worked out soooo well in Vietnam and Iraq. You know there were a few other men in history with Obama's values, Martin Luther King jr. and Ghandi just to name a few.

[–] gilliam9 17 years ago

I see alot of trolls simple because most of the US is poor and barely making it.

Your right every thing isn't Bush's fault, but he is the progenitor. Its his philosophy, his under qualified appointments to important nation and international positions. We are using mercenaries for god sake thats barbaric that we the tax payer fork over more money to merc's then to our own solders.

IMHO this it one of the darkest ages in American History.

1.The depression in the 30's followed by WW2
2.Civil War
3.This depression`

`If we aren't in a depression we are in a spiraling recession that i see no possible fix.

[–] Phenom25 17 years ago

110% satisfied with no regrets...

[–] jla3490-1 17 years ago

Thank you for screwing my generation. You can't fix stupid.

Trust No One

[–] buck_9 17 years ago

"110% satisfied with no regrets..."

It appears our current president can do pretty much anything but hold you up at gunpoint. Who knows, maybe he could, and then we'd have you remarking at how well he was holding the gun towards you with that nice, manly grip.

[–] Phenom25 17 years ago

Buck, do you have anything to say, or are you going to continue with the innocuous analogies that get you nowhere.

Hindsight is 20/20 and I for one am not a monday morning quarterback. That's the reason I have no regrets.

[–] BNJ61 17 years ago

I am satisfied everyday I wake up in the US without a Democrat in the White House - socialism doesn't work, and the Democrats haven't yet grasped that fact. If they occupy the White House in 2009, you will all look back on the last 8 years as the "good old days".

That said however, the current Republican leadership also has its faults. It has abandoned the limited igovernment and limited taxation ideals of Ronald Regan.

So, I urge everyone, Democrat and Republican alike, to vote for the only candidate that is in favor of limiting the role, cost and scope of government and expanding the limits of personal freedom: RON PAUL.

"There's no emoticon for what I'm feeling!" - Comic Book Guy

[–] DP_IL 17 years ago

I am satisfied everyday I wake up in the US without a Democrat in the White House - socialism doesn't work, and the Democrats haven't yet grasped that fact. If they occupy the White House in 2009, you will all look back on the last 8 years as the "good old days".

Really?

Well, let's see. The United States currently spends more money than any other country on healthcare and yet US citizens are much more unhealthy than those in the European Union or Canada (where socialist policies are the norm and have been for quite some time). The currencies of those nations are also worth more than American currency. Their children are better educated. Their middle class isn't being eroded. They don't have corporations choke-holding them. So maybe there's something to this democratic socialism...

With a Republican in the White House, all everyone keeps saying is how much better things were under Clinton. The economy was soaring, we were loved all over the world, and everyone was happy. Under Bush, we're faced with one of the greatest recessions in American history, the biggest housing crisis since the Great Depression, a healthcare crisis, an energy crisis, dwindling education and an anti-intellectual movement, and an illegal war that has caused al Qaeda to go from being a blip on the radar to becoming a major threat.

So no, I don't think I'll miss this administration. Bush will go down in history as the worst, most inept President and generations from now, people will scratch their heads and wonder how Americans could have been dumb enough to vote for such a moron not once, but twice.

[–] aimei2006 17 years ago

Great post. I think it is completely ridiculous that we in the US pay MORE for our healthcare than Canada, the UK, France, etc, and yet get LESS back! Why is that? Because greedy healthcare companies are holding our gov't hostage with lobbyists! The best system is a social democracy, ie the social welfare state. We are technically a social welfare state in the US, but not a very developed one. In all other industrialized countries, you are guaranteed healthcare, a basic right of all citizens. Why is this not the case here?? People die in the riches country in the world because they cannot afford the drastically inflated prices set by hospitals and drug companies. Because people without insurance by law have to be treated if in an emergency, hospitals raise prices for everyone else because they know a certain amount of people will not be able to pay. Taxpayers and people with insurance pick up the cost. What a STUPID system!

There are so many other things wrong with our country too, I could go on and on. Dubya will go down as one of, if not the worst Prez.

Obama for America!!

[–] m-rod1 16 years ago

i like your post also, but i have to say one thing. the reason why our healthcare policies suck, is because our BUSINESS policies suck. our country is BUILT on doing what they healthcare, starbucks, walmarts do. i honestly cant get mad at them for that, since our country promotes, talking more, giving less, making for less but paying more......

i connect this to healthcare in the sense that i totally understand what you are saying about those policies work in those other countries (except that canada is trying to get off of it).....

but what i am saying is that i feel that the reason that it wouldnt work, is because our country is NOT like those other ones, you are talking about countries with 25-30 hour work weeks, when we push some parents to 50-60 sometimes (by choice or not)....

so i totally understand, and am not totally agaisnt the whole heathcare for all thing.... but. to compary why it works in other countries, and then saying it would work in ours is kind of a stretch. our country lives to take money from others.... (again, major corporations, and business)

just some thoughts.

[–] buck_9 17 years ago

"do you have anything to say, or are you going to continue with the innocuous analogies that get you nowhere. "

The sad thing is I shouldn't have to say anything. By the way, I have been in countless arguments with squirrels such as yourself and have never been the first to pick up my nuts and flee the conversation. I simply find it astonishing to find people like you who cannot grasp that this president has managed to fail us at almost every available opportunity. How is it you are not outraged at the mere fact that our rights have been completely squelched ever since this war of terror began?

[–] BNJ61 17 years ago

How is it you are not outraged at the mere fact that our rights have been completely squelched ever since this war of terror began?

Ah yes - "outrage" - that's won the Democrats the last 2 elections hasn't it? Time for new IDEAS my Democratic friends, not old emotional eruptions. If the Democratic party got behind a principled candidate with integrity and well-defined ideas and direction then picking up the White House would be a snap.

Again, I say, RON PAUL is the ONLY candidate in this election who is principled, consistent and who has espoused an acceptable philosophy of limited government and personal freedom designed to bring America back to her proper course.

"There's no emoticon for what I'm feeling!" - Comic Book Guy

[–] buck_9 17 years ago

"that's won the Democrats the last 2 elections hasn't it?"

Actually I feel that the exact opposite has occurred. The last thing on my mind was outrage when I looked at that block of wood that was Kerry. There is also nothing wrong with being passionate about your country, especially if you know how to use it. Our two dem candidates have only started to do this, when they are not attacking each other that is.

[–] goodearth10 17 years ago

Ron Paul? Ok, this is probably going to be torn to pieces but who cares. Politically correct or not, who cares. Ron Paul is from Texas as well as George W. Bush. Robert Duvall summed up how I feel about Texans in the movie "Geronimo". This is just an end to the quote: "Must be Texans... the lowest form of white man there is.". So Ron Paul is out, in my opinion.

Why is it that we let these campaign managers get the best of us. In 2000 I could not stand to be in a room with a republican. They made me sick. I couldn't, for the life of me, stand the values that they voted for. Then I sat back and looked at the whole big picture. Your everyday, run of the mill, reublican really isn't all that different than his democrat contemporary. Most of the citizens of this country live by two beliefs, socially liberal and fiscally conservative. If you want to sit naked in your living room and rub peanut butter all over yourself while watching sportscenter that is your business as an american. If you want to marry your gay lover, by all means, knock yourself out. But do not waste my hard earned money that is taken from me in the form of taxes. If you need to spend my tax money, please get some kind of value for my dollar. Just don't waste my tax money. If we could find a candidate that embraced these values maybe we could put these party line *beep* tactics behind us.

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[–] FloridaBoy24 17 years ago

OK fun thread, let me say a few things, I'm a moderate, that means middle of the road, not indepedent but liberal on certain issues and conservative on others. I lean more towards the conservative side on some things and liberal on other.

I think the biggest results of Bush's election has been the absolutely destructive effect it has had on our political system, your either democrat, Republican, or Independent. All the election has done has polarized the electorate that you can't be a moderate Democrat or a Moderate Republican, you have to be hardline Republican or Democrat.

Next, Bush is not a Republic, he's a neo-conservative. Big ideological differences there, I didn't vote for or against him in 2000, was only 17. In 2004 I did vote for Kerry because I didn't like the way the country was heading. But, I have conservative friends and liberal ones, some like Bush, some don't, but while we can't blame everything on Bush and shouldn't, the constant economical drain of the war in Iraq can easily be laid on his feet.

That being said I don't know if I'll vote McCain or Obama come fall, either one who is elected will inherit a mess, and my generation will pay for what Bush has done in his terms as President, adding trillions onto the national debt, and no solution to the coming crisis of Social Security.

That being said, the movie has merits, I enjoyed it from both point of views. I live in Fort Lauderdale, I remember 2000 and the vote and still remember the irony of a Republican nominee who is pro state's rights going to the Supreme Court to halt the recount. Still gives me a laugh, that being said, no Republican is happy with Bush, in fact most will call him a neo-conservative, not a traditional conservative.

If there is one thing I believe the last eight years have made Americans forget, is despite being Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Socialists, or Communists, we are all Americans, and this absolute rejection of the other branch of ideology needs to stop.

My 2 cents.

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[–] CPETERS757 17 years ago

The words Bush and perfection should not even be used in the same sentence.

I don't know how Gore would have responded to 9/11, but anyone who can't simply compare our moral standing in the world on 9/12/01 to our standing today and admit the cost in blood and money of Bush's foolishness in Iraq has as much blood on their hands as Bush does.

[–] DP_IL 17 years ago

So wait... let me get this straight. You believe that Bush's response to 9/11... was a good thing?

My friend, you are seriously deluded if you believe that. Bush used 9/11 as an excuse to launch a war in Iraq, something that Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz have wanted for years (check out the Project for a New American Century, which all three authored along with other noted neocons). And the result has been the biggest recruitment drive al Qaeda has ever had.

Bush has done so much good for al Qaeda that I think bin Laden plans on making him Chief Marketing Strategist once he leaves the White House.

[–] DP_IL 17 years ago

Ah yes - "outrage" - that's won the Democrats the last 2 elections hasn't it? Time for new IDEAS my Democratic friends, not old emotional eruptions. If the Democratic party got behind a principled candidate with integrity and well-defined ideas and direction then picking up the White House would be a snap.

We are. His name is Barack Obama.

Again, I say, RON PAUL is the ONLY candidate in this election who is principled, consistent and who has espoused an acceptable philosophy of limited government and personal freedom designed to bring America back to her proper course.

He's also a conspiracy theorist and a bigot. No thank you, I've already had my fair share of whackjobs in the White House. The last thing I need to see is everything privatized. We've gotten just a small taste of widespread privatization under this President and it's caused a massive high school dropout rate, a healthcare crisis, and the erosion of the middle class.

[–] jek123 16 years ago

His name is Barack Obama.

I can't really understand the excitment about Barack Obama. What is so special about him?

[–] fukeneh 16 years ago

Well I am a Canadian, and I've done my fair share of American bashing.

But if Obama gets elected into the White House, I think it would be a glorious 8 years for you guys down south and I'd be honored to call you guys my neighbor.

McCain wants to be tough, wants to stay in the war and calls Obama naive and basically a pansy. Well, they've been in war for so many years, look where that has got them. A second Vietnam basically.

What scared me so much is what McCain said that Americans can be in Iraq for 100 more years.

Now, with food prices rising and houses not affordable etc etc, it has only been 6 years.

Imagine 100 more.

[–] kenneglds 17 years ago

>>> Hindsight is 20/20 and I for one am not a monday morning quaterback

There is a difference between not being a monday morning quarterback, and backing reckless stupity and incompetence. Btw, by saying hindsight is 20/20 and you are not a monday morning quaterback, you are pretty much admitting that people HAVE good cause to be monday morning quaterbacks, but you are just choosing not to be. In other words, you are admitting that Bush didn't turn out good.