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To the people who think that wasn't rape... Would you do it?


It seems like a lot people think that what happened to Amy wasn't rape, that she was asking for it and she enjoyed it. By this logic, anyone who said this wasn't rape obviously doesn't see it as an act of violence, right? She was just a whore asking to be raped, right? Any woman acting like Amy deserved to be raped, right? The fact that she said no and cried at the beginning obviously means nothing because she doesn't fight back later on. It couldn't possibly be because she was terrified and just wanted it to be over.

Also, she obviously enjoyed it because when the other guy comes in, she fights a lot more, right? These threads obviously say a lot about the culture we're living in, rape is only rape if a girl is screaming and kicking, otherwise how could she possibly not want it?? Who knows what's going through someone's mind when they're being raped, but it seems like Amy was definitely asking for it by acting like a slut.

I guess what I'm trying to say is this: if you think Amy wasn't raped, would you do that to someone? She obviously liked it, so why not?

Of course condemning Charlie for what he did is unreasonable, what choice did he have? Let's put all the blame on Amy, poor old Charlie isn't to blame... She tempted him so she deserved to be punished.

I hope you people at least understand sarcasm.

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Body language baby. She wasn't asking for it but she most certainly enjoyed it. She kissed him and grabbed his chain, moaned in pleasure, etc. Stp white knighting, you saw the film you know what happened.

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I don't think you've answered the question so I would love to hear whether you would do that to someone if ultimately the person apparently enjoys it. That's still what I wonder when people say 'she was asking for it'.

Her enjoying it has nothing to do with the fact that she screamed and asked him to leave at first. It's like everyone forgets that part of the scene... why is it not important that he forced his way in and didn't listen to her pleading for him to leave?
Moreover, even if she did enjoy it, it was still wrong of him to do what he did.

I've never been raped but I have been pressured into having sex so I can understand how easy it can be to just give in and pretend rather than be scared of someone really hurting you. Our actions don't always match our emotions and sometimes we do things but really are thinking something totally different.

Ultimately, at least to me, what's important in the scene is the way he forces himself in the house. It baffles me that people don't seem to take that into account.

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So you would force yourself on a girl who cries and repeatedly says no? Because if eventually the end result is that she apparently enjoys it, it's ok right? I'm sorry, I must be thick but I don't understand how his behaviour shouldn't be condemned.
I think rape is too glamorised in films. Most rapes occur from someone the victim knows and sometimes women act like that because (sorry to be blunt) it will make the man cum quicker.

I guess it'd be really interesting to know the director's intentions and even Sam Peckinpah's intentions in the original.

I can quote an article where the scene we are referring to is called a 'rape scene': Skarsgard had the unpleasant duty of performing a rape scene with his now ex-girlfriend, Kate Bosworth. Though the two were not dating at the time, they acknowledge that it was an intense scene to film.. Source: http://abc7.com/archive/8358240.

Unfortunately, there aren't too many articles on this interesting topic but if anyone finds something, please share.

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The articles states: Skarsgard had the unpleasant duty of performing a rape scene with his now ex-girlfriend, Kate Bosworth. He had the duty of PERFORMING a rape scene. That implies that he was the one doing it.

But, for argument's sake, let's say that she enjoyed it and it wasn't rape (which I obviously don't agree with). The events that led to such sex scene are horrifying. You're alone in your house and a man you know and once trusted, on your repeated pleads and cries for him, forces his way into your home. Call me crazy but that's pretty terrifying.

Still, it's good to know there are still people on IMDB that won't resolve to insults to make their points, I appreciate that.

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Soooo should we take that as a yes?

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Actually the perceived enjoyment means nothing.

It is all about consent. Where consent is denied, it is rape.

We have to ask what the film maker was intending to depict (the book doesn't have this scene in it). If they wished to show anything other than a rape they would have shown some form of consent at some point. There is none - there is consistent denial of consent.

There is a brief period after penetration where she is shown to apparently have some physical pleasure, but even after the act she is clearly upset. I would be curious as to where this consent is ? (and no.. flashing them earlier doesn't count either).

I am sure there are folks who enjoy rough sex, and would enjoy acting out such a scenario with their partner - that is an entirely different activity though, with consent being given by both participants. That doesn't alter the fact that the scene itself depicts a (well, two) rape(s).

The question posed in this thread is a good one.

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To a lot of people that don't consider it rape, the fact that she stops fighting means consent...

It is all about consent. Where consent is denied, it is rape.


You'd think that this is quite a logical statement but for some reason some people find it hard to understand...

I also find it very interesting that not ONE single person who thought that that wasn't rape still hasn't answered my question.

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If it starts off as rape, it's rape. It doesn't 'cease to be rape' - ever.

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Charlie took what he wanted. It did not mean she enjoyed it, lets be honest I think she knew the outcome and just wanted it be over. And since she knows him, the best thing for her was to get it on with him in order to have him finish. She knows what he likes. One great sexual move or two and if she made it good for him it would be over. Her goal was to get him to climax. So many guys want to label her. On another note at the end she could care less about Charlie because if there was any feelings it they went out the window when he allowed his friend to rape her also.

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I've never been raped but I have been pressured into having sex

You yourself agree that it wasn't a rape, as what happened in the movie is same as what happened in your case. She was pressured into having sex, indeed.
But the person that came next definitely raped her.

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Actually it's possible that the OP was rape depending on what "pressurised" into having sex actually entailed.

It's also creepy tha you don't think Amy as raped b Charlie even though she resisited and said no - what does it take to be rape in your eyes? Makes me worry that there could be loads of everyday guys out there committing rape and as they don't seem to know what rape actually is.

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Is that a yes or no?

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The_Mad_Trapper » Sun Oct 5 2014 13:23:49
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Body language baby. She wasn't asking for it but she most certainly enjoyed it. She kissed him and grabbed his chain, moaned in pleasure, etc. Stp white knighting, you saw the film you know what happened.


Sounding like a true rapist 

There was no way for her to escape so she did what she had to do to fasten the process

For us, there is no spring. Just the wind that smells fresh before the storm.

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It's quite telling that no one actually answered the question.

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I'll take that as a yes.

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no...and you can take that as a no

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Because she never actually consented. No means no. Regardless of whether or not she 'showed enjoyment' at some point, if it starts off as rape, it's rape. Period. He violently forced his way in - to the house and to her. That's rape.

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Dumbass alert.

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Sometimes women (or men) even orgasm during rape. Sexual pleasure does not diminish an assault; it's about consent. Hopefully you're not ever put in that position where your body is violated against your will, and you happen to sexually respond to some of it (again, against your will).

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If someone had you captive and threatened to set you on fire unless you shot yourself in the head and you succumbed and did shoot yourself, I suppose you think that action is suicide?


A biological response is not sexual consent. By your logic every convicted rapist only performed a criminal act because they weren't successful in achieving orgasm for their victim.


Edit: So I did some more reading on the board of both this film and the original version and this topic seems to be a common one. I come across several more ignorant posts by paradroid21 and it's clear he is a deranged individual. I suppose the positive point is at least a lot of the noise is made by loud individuals rather than a mass of ignorant people.

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If someone had you captive and threatened to set you on fire unless you shot yourself in the head and you succumbed and did shoot yourself, I suppose you think that action is suicide?


Good comparison 

For us, there is no spring. Just the wind that smells fresh before the storm.

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I haven't seen the rape seen just yet, but I can tell "amy" is a bit...off. I'm not saying she deserved rape...but she's a bad person. She changed the date of the battle on his log board, she encouraged him to go confront the guy about walking into the house, then she watched it, then she made suggestive moves on him while he was talking to them.

I donno...just think you consider that there are other things going on than just face value.

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Welp...I see she just flashed them AFTER her husband asks her to be more modest. Interesting.

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I am not debating whether she's a bad or good person. I understand that culturally, it makes it easier for people to accept that Amy's been raped (or not, according to some) because she acted like what many would consider 'slutty' behaviour for a woman. Does that justify rape?

She showed her boobs to a bunch of guys so it's alright that she was raped? There's a reason why she does that, it's because her husband doesn't pay attention to her and she's angry and acts out. She doesn't deserve what happens to her, no one does.

I don't like Amy, but to me that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the rape.

I can't wait for the day when we stop even hinting at how a woman's actions, clothes, words in any way, shape, or form are somehow connected to their being raped.

I find it incredibly interesting that no one answered the original question, especially those that don't consider it rape.

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Although she may THINK her husband didn't "pay attention to her"...that; snot why she did it. She did it out of retaliation for him telling her to be more conservative, and she didn't like that at all.

Also...um...he was WORKING- like she WASN'T.

I can't wait for the day that we realize our actions DO have consequences, and there is a REASON our parents and fathers taught...tried to teach us the facts of life, and how to dress appropriately. It's not necessarily fair or right...but it's the God's truth about how humans work in this world. We're basically animals at heart, both males and females. We need the judgement and discernment to do the best we can to protect ourselves and loved ones, as the husband ATTEMPTED to do. She not only disobeyed his request, but took it further. And like I said, I think there's more to their relationship than you care to admit. 1st scene is certainly questionable at least. He did force the issue, and she allowed it. 2nd half of scene out-and-out rape.

This does not mean she deserved it...so cut that sht out now. It does mean that she did not help the situation and in fact may have helped cause it. Fair? I dunno...fair doesn't have anything to do with it when your safety is involved. Would it have happened anyway? No way to know that. Do you flash yourself at church? Supermarket? Place of employment? Bar? Why not?

She handled it all completely wrong...out of spite. She bears at least SOME responsibility for events.

And, just so you can change the last part of your responses FINALLY, I will answer your question. As a man I have been in situations were I felt my advances were...unsure of. I mean right down to the moment of truth if you will. I did not go through with it. I have also been slapped in the face for refusing the advances of a female.
So there you go, someone answered your question now stop claiming no one will.

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Ok, first of all thanks for answering the question even though you made it seem like I was annoying the board by asking why no one had answered (two pages of replies and you were the only one to do it). The woman you slapped you was wrong to do that. You didn't want to have sex, she did, got mad and slapped you, she was wrong 100%. You're actually helping my point because to me, it doesn't matter what happened prior to that, she was wrong.

There are many points that I would like to talk about more in your post but I must point out that I am not religious.
So, no, I do not think it's God's truth that we work like you say we do. We are animals but we have a society, rules and laws so that we can live out our lives in peace without being murdered, raped, mugged etc... I don't think that those things happen because of our 'internal animal', we do things to each other as humans that animals can't even fathom.

As for this quote:

She not only disobeyed his request, but took it further.


That's very interesting. You make it sound like that, as the wife, Amy should obey? It might just be the language you used but it seemed like an interesting choice of words.

I said this in a previous post but the actor playing her ex boyfriend described the scene as a rape scene. The person who acted out the rape scene (that so many people say isn't actually called it a rape scene) admitted in fact that it was rape.

I'm sure a lot of people, including yourself, believe that dressing 'appropriately' will prevent rape. Are you saying that men are too weak and women too sexy and that if women show flesh, they should know that they are attracting the male gaze and should be wary? Please correct me if I'm wrong but that's what it seemed like you said. I will not flash anyone in the supermarket, at work but if someone does, that means that they bear responsibility when someone rapes them? You know what prevents rape? People not raping, plain and simple. Not the woman's or man's actions as a victim prior to a rape, but the rapist in question.

I guess we live in a society where when someone does something stupid (that in no way justifies what happens to them), we're quick to judge and I understand that. You were walking alone by yourself in a dodgy neighbourhood at night? No wonder you got mugged! You weren't dressed appropriately in a club, didn't pay attention to your drink and got roofied? Well, that's just dumb! You invited a man into your home and when you didn't want to have sex, he raped you? Well, should have known better. We are all guilty of thinking one of these things in one way or another but I'm glad actions speak louder than words.

In your case, your action say that you would never go through with something you weren't sure of and that you wouldn't do something you wouldn't want to do and that's a good thing.


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Oh...I think I've picked up on something I have missed.

Um...yes men...males are predatory. Women...females are too in a way. We see female teachers prey on male students. We don't think of it in the same way as men teachers preying (RAPING!) on girl students...do we?

Males are at a "disadvantage". In the wild..the males need the color displays (Ever seen a male cardinal and a female cardinal?) , the strutting, the fighting with other males. The recent lion killing has shown that the other males will kill HIS prodigy and fight for the females for their own lineage.

This is a VERY powerful natural urge that can't be ignored. And yet, in human society, the females control the sexual acts. "Only if *I* say it's okay, no matter what signal I give or how I look or what I say....even AFTER the fact I can change my mind and accuse you of rape!". So they might give "signals" like flashing breasts? But it's still to be determined if it's okay or not...all controlled by the female.

But that wild prehistoric urge is still untamed. Some men can deal with it...in their own way. Other males have problems. But ...it is what it is. So what are we to do? I say express yourself but be wary and careful. You can;t ALWAYS protect yourself fully, as this world can be very brutal even to a careful innocent person.

But in this case.."Amy" knew full well what she was doing and who she was dealing with AND sorry to say it again but not honoring her mates concern. It makes her not fully innocent.

Again...I didn't say she deserved it...nor that it's right and fair. If she cared about what her husband said...it MIGHT not have happened. Unfair but truth ( I left out "God" since it offends you so badly- I think we could use a bit more GOD...not dogmatic religion, just a higher power kind of thing SPIRITUAL..sorry about saying "God" in this conversation. Sheesh.

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A lot of the things you are describing are things that are very wrong with our society.

We don't think of it in the same way as men teachers preying (RAPING!) on girl students...do we?


I'd need a whole other thread just to talk about this but this is something that's very wrong. Man or woman, a teacher preying on a student is wrong. It is *beep* up that they are not seen as the same as you say, but things are starting to change.

As for the powerful natural urges... as it's natural for animals to be predators, it's also natural for males to kill young cubs, boy am I glad that one doesn't happen (often) as humans.

I'm sorry but where did I say I was offended when you wrote about God? I am not offended, I was just pointing out that I'm an atheist and therefore we already have different views to begin with.

I am anti-rape and I am most certainly not anti-male. I believe that men and women should have the same rights on all fronts. So if a man doesn't want to have sex, even as he's laying on the bed with his partner naked, he shouldn't have to. No is no.

Amy was being stupid, I don't like her at all and she acted out just like a child would. She should have had more respect for her husband. I can 'blame' her for not using better judgement but no, I don't blame her for what happens. And yes, you can think all you want that that means I'm anti-male or something but it doesn't. It just means that I place blame on the rapist 100% no matter what idiotic thing did the victim did beforehand.

Didn't you read the first part of my response where I stated the woman slapping you was wrong 100%? Didn't that give you some clue as to how I perceive men and women? We're on the same level and if one of us doesn't want go ahead with something, then we shouldn't.

You're saying be careful and don't make yourself vulnerable. I don't disagree with that. It's a screwed up world we live in and we have to be careful because the truth is there will always be bad people out there. But I'll never blame someone as stupid as Amy for being physically abused.

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I think you have put your point across beautifully. It's not really a question of right or wrong. We all know it's wrong. But we don't have the police protecting us like bodyguards 24x7. So unless you can defend yourself, why provoke or incite someone to be violent against you? She incited those guys by flashing them. Why would you do that without any reason?

The law is there to protect us but the law doles out justice once a crime has been committed. So it's up to each one of us to do whatever it takes to protect ourselves and avoid making ourselves a target to the anti-social elements of society.

He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither ~ B. Franklin

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"You make it sound like that, as the wife, Amy should obey?"

Then go on, do whatever you like. This is the 21st century right? For the sake of equality and all men have no right to say anything to their wife. So why do you expect your husband to protect you from lunatics if he doesn't have any say over anything you do? All actions have consequences, whether we consider it right or wrong, life is not fair.

"I'm sure a lot of people, including yourself, believe that dressing 'appropriately' will prevent rape. Are you saying that men are too weak and women too sexy and that if women show flesh, they should know that they are attracting the male gaze and should be wary? Please correct me if I'm wrong but that's what it seemed like you said."

That is not what anyone is trying to say at all. We all know it was rape and we know rape is a heinous crime. Dressing like a slut doesn't mean you deserve to get raped but why should you dress provocatively when you know you don't have the power to stop anyone from raping you? This is akin to a weak skinny guy trying to pick a fight with a bar bouncer. He knows he will get beaten up but he still provokes him. That's just being stupid.

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Ok, first of all thanks for answering the question even though you made it seem like I was annoying the board by asking why no one had answered (two pages of replies and you were the only one to do it). The woman you slapped you was wrong to do that. You didn't want to have sex, she did, got mad and slapped you, she was wrong 100%. You're actually helping my point because to me, it doesn't matter what happened prior to that, she was wrong.

There are many points that I would like to talk about more in your post but I must point out that I am not religious.
So, no, I do not think it's God's truth that we work like you say we do. We are animals but we have a society, rules and laws so that we can live out our lives in peace without being murdered, raped, mugged etc... I don't think that those things happen because of our 'internal animal', we do things to each other as humans that animals can't even fathom.

As for this quote:

She not only disobeyed his request, but took it further.


That's very interesting. You make it sound like that, as the wife, Amy should obey? It might just be the language you used but it seemed like an interesting choice of words.

I said this in a previous post but the actor playing her ex boyfriend described the scene as a rape scene. The person who acted out the rape scene (that so many people say isn't actually called it a rape scene) admitted in fact that it was rape.

I'm sure a lot of people, including yourself, believe that dressing 'appropriately' will prevent rape. Are you saying that men are too weak and women too sexy and that if women show flesh, they should know that they are attracting the male gaze and should be wary? Please correct me if I'm wrong but that's what it seemed like you said. I will not flash anyone in the supermarket, at work but if someone does, that means that they bear responsibility when someone rapes them? You know what prevents rape? People not raping, plain and simple. Not the woman's or man's actions as a victim prior to a rape, but the rapist in question.

I guess we live in a society where when someone does something stupid (that in no way justifies what happens to them), we're quick to judge and I understand that. You were walking alone by yourself in a dodgy neighbourhood at night? No wonder you got mugged! You weren't dressed appropriately in a club, didn't pay attention to your drink and got roofied? Well, that's just dumb! You invited a man into your home and when you didn't want to have sex, he raped you? Well, should have known better. We are all guilty of thinking one of these things in one way or another but I'm glad actions speak louder than words.

In your case, your action say that you would never go through with something you weren't sure of and that you wouldn't do something you wouldn't want to do and that's a good thing.


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Well call me crazy Miss Milovan...but I do believe mates should honor their mates. If she says " I dress for you", and he says " I know what you look like", then she should honor his request. Just as HE should honor any behavior request SHE should make. It works both ways both that is a different story.

It says a LOT about YOU that you fret over "disobey" and ignore "request". He practically BEGGED her to not encourage any further bad behavior by the ruffians she knows well. And she did it anyway. She did it out of spite just like you are doing now. She was not fully innocent in this event. Had she honored his request...would the outcome be the same? Hmm...we don;t know. But the story-tellers made SURE to emphasize that she not only did NOT honor his request, but escalated it. It sure as sht ain't fair but it's also the way of the world. We can't change that but we can change ourselves. We CAN make ourselves safer and less vulnerable...if we so choose to do so.

You are focusing on the wrong things. You have this crusade to defend anything she wants to do, while crucifying the what the men want to do..including, oddly but telling, her husbands requests to be wary and careful.

While I don't fully agree with the phrase, I understand it's real meaning, you want your cake and eat it too. You cherry pick parts to suit your agenda. Obviously anti-rape but also it seems anti-male. SHE can flaunt, and flash and show her girl parts to the public and do whatever she wants guilt free and no responsibilities, while crucifying even the man that loves her and wishes her safety. Sad...because this movie shows there are good men that care...she ignored it...and you blame everyone but her? WTF?

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She's a liberal Femi-Nazi. It's obvious.

Yes, it was rape IMO. Yes, she was an idiot and taunted, flashed, and encouraged the guys. She holds some of the responsibility for putting herself in the situation. Not for the rape, but she pretty much followed the "do this if you want to get raped" instructions to a "T".

Yes, she should have honored her husbands request. Just as if she made a request to him, he should honor it too. Especially if it is for his own good and safety, as his request was to her.

A woman dresses like a whore and flaunts it to a bunch of young horny men, then expect her husband to go put himself in danger and confront the men? What a double standard. And it happens all the time.

Men still have to follow the macho stereotype, but if you suggest that a woman should act like a woman, you're sexist. You can't have it both ways.

Not everything has to be made sexist, or racist, in this society. Liberals love to dissect everything and make people out to be bigots any time they can.

It's not a woman's fault when they are raped. But, if you don't want to get raped, don't dress and act like a whore, and I bet that will lower your chances. That's just a fact.

It isn't about the rape being her fault, but it IS about consequences of your actions.

There's no accountability in the world anymore.

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When you watch closely, it is, initially at least, an obvious rape. But, it seems that the director chose to have Bosworth display conflicted emotions toward the idea of having sex with her ex boyfriend. She seems to protest at first because she knows it isn't proper to cheat on her husband, but part way in, she touches him with her hand in a way that indicates she is enjoying it. At the end, since he finishes too early, she reverts back to feeling shame and guilt and regret, which suggests that if he'd taken proper care of her, she might not feel the same level of remorse. This would explain her refusal to contact police/tell her husband/do anything any rape victim would normally do...but the other guys following were definitely not in the realm of her acceptance and the movie fails to explain why she wouldn't push hard for them to be prosecuted.

Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe f_uck yourself.

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If I could upvote this answer a 1000 times, I would because it's so damn true.

He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither ~ B. Franklin

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I agreed with cristina_milovan. But only in remake of SD. In remake, which i did not watch the whole i clearly see RAPE. She refused him, she is crying and she surrender to him because she saw that there are no other options. And yes, she enjoyed physically but with regret.

In original SD Amy is a total slut. Attempted rape with MAKING LOVE! She kiss him, hug him, whisper to him nice words and after sex she cuddle and kiss him. Than second guy comes and rapes her. In the end of movie when second guy try to rape her again she call Charlie for help, not David... She was so on Charlie`s/thugs side. That`s why David left her like a last peace of *beep* in original SD.

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When a person is angry and acts out, they deserve consequences. In this case se acted out in a sexual way and the consequences were presented to her also in a sexual way. Maybe the question isn't whether WE think it was rape or not, but whether the characters thought it was rape. In my opinion the first sexual encounter was a grey area rape and obviously the second was straight prison rape. Remember that the two were high school IT couple so I'm sure there were still feeling there. Let's not forget the fact that it's Tarzan...women want to swing on his vine

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Yeah Amy has a history that we don't get to find out about but somehow need to work it out.
Remember when Charlie said "I protected you" with reference to the past. Her response was "no you didn't though".
He then falls silent.

She comes across as tough, life has made her tough, even though she's physically a very slight figure. I had the impression that some bad stuff had happened to her in the past and as a result, she was always puffed up and bigging herself up as a result of that 'bad experience'.

The other point is that she is some kind of amazing survivor because she doesn't dwell on it on it and it didn't prevent her from returning to her home town either. I got the feeling she had some unfinished business in that town. She wanted them all to see how she turned out.
The exaggerated 'freedom of spirit' that she exhibits, IMO is suggested as a reaction to how she grew up.

I don't understand the 'flashing scene' in any other way than this: she is scarred from the past, but she is married now and feels safe. So safe that she feels she can do what she wants. That's just an idea. And so it follows, that her so-called spirited acts inadvertently tip her into the world of naivety...?

I think I'm going to have to get hold of this book.

IMO, she was raped twice, for sure, but why she doesn't tell her husband is the real mystery....

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She didn't tell her husband, because she enjoyed every second of the whole rape experience, as most hot, sexy girls do.

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She certainly enjoyed the first one. She certainly did not enjoy the second guy. She wanted to have sex with Charlie but couldn't bring herself to do it because she was married so Charlie had to rape her to get her to do it. Some women are frustrating like that. They want to have sex with a guy but don't want to look like sluts so sometimes have pretend that they are being forced into sex but are deep down loving it.

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This is a movie, and so instead of arguing whether it was rape in the technical or legal sense, or asking a provocative question like whether "you" would do it, it is far more relevant and interesting to ask about the filmmaker's intention in its interpretation. It is clear that in both the original and the remake, the filmmakers intended a great deal of ambiguity in the viewer's interpretation. At the time of the Peckinpah's original in the 1970s, the standard defense against rape charges was that it was consensual sex. Since intentions are largely unprovable, the defense not surprisingly always sought to dig into the woman lifestyle and past history.

It is of importance that in the film(s), David and Amy were moving into her hometown. Thus unlike the men in Deliverance or the women in the I spit on Your Grave series, the villains were not some strange men in an unfamiliar location but actually people that Amy grew up with. Judging from the men, Amy had come from a rather poor surrounding. David was a scriptwriter in the remake, but the original character played by Dustin Hoffman was a mathematics professor, and thus it appeared that he had married someone beneath him in terms of background and social status. Why he did that was not clear, but it is reasonable to surmise that Amy was more comfortable in the company of those men than with her own husband. Amy did not understand - and did not care - what her husband was doing in his job. She playfully messed with his script. (In the original, she changed the mathematics of his research on the blackboard - which was far more serious).

In the original, Amy (played by Susan George) openly taunted David for being a coward: he fled from the violence in US campuses (that was the Vietnam era) and chose to spend his sabbatical leave in the "quiet" English countryside. That part was diluted in the remake, but it was still clear that neither Amy nor those rednecks regarded David as much of a man. He allowed himself to be pushed around by those guys (like changing the work schedule to their liking). It is of even greater importance that Charlie in the film was not just a friend but was Amy's old flame. Amy might have married David for a better life, but it was possible that she was still attracted to Charlie and hoped that her husband was more like him. She might not really be prepared to commit any act of infidelity, and so instead she tried on several occasions to provoke her husband to stand up for her (and also for himself) - and in a way become more of a "Charlie". However, David failed miserably. When Amy complained that the men were ogling her, David instead said she should have dressed more discreetly. He also did not want to confront the men about the killing of the cat and Amy had to do it herself. Sadly, at the end, David had to kill to prove himself to be a man and thus regain the respect and love of his wife. Again, that had been somewhat watered down in the new film, but in the original it was abundantly clear that she looked at her husband in a totally different way at the end and even saved his life by gunning down the last villain.

Thus one has to look at the rape scene in the context of all of the above discussions. Amy might not really have led Charlie on or "enjoyed it", but it was indeed possible that - other than the total disappointment with her husband at the time - she was still attracted to her old flame and so resisted him only half-heartedly. (In the original, it was shown that while she at first resisted Charlie and said "no" several times, eventually she started to embrace him). It was like between giving in and not giving in. Like what I said at the beginning, a lot of ambiguity was intended by the scriptwriter/director in the interpretation.

In fact, the script had gone on further by including the part about the mentally-handicapped Jeremy and the Lolita-like 15-year old girl. It is likely that Jeremy would be arrested after they found the girl's body, and people would conclude that this evil guy had raped the girl and killed her when she resisted. But in fact he was the victim and the girl was the predator and offender.

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I think the people arguing that it wasn't rape are trolling. Seriously. She hadn't consented when he penetrated her. Even if she did consent or start to enjoy it halfway through he still raped her. He took her by force when she was screaming 'no'. Idiots.

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I don't think she was "enjoying it" so much as she knew it was gonna happen regardless how much she protested. She physically resisted Charlie all the way up to when he started to get more violent. She realized that Charlie wasn't gonna stop until he got what he wanted.

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i totally agreed with HenryCW. And i agreed with supergirlxx110-1 and Scribblenaut only if we talk about 2011 remake. In 1971 yes she totally want it, she enjoy it, she moaning, kissing hug him and whisper him nice things and cuddle hug and kiss him in the end of sex. And in the end she is so in villain`s side. And she love charlie. Like Henry says, she know where she coming, she grow up with this villains people, she was Charlies ex, Charlie know how to seduce her (she probably like it rough).

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In the situation Charlie put Amy in, there was no consent. He is 6'6" and all muscle, she's barely over 5' and about 110 lbs. Charlie pushed his way into the house and Amy continued to say "No." and "Stop it"

Not all circumstances are the same, but in this case - 'No' means 'No.' Also NOT saying 'Yes' means 'No' and the reason for that is she is being forced to submit and after saying 'No' so many times and being ignored, silence doesn't equal consent. Lastly, Saying 'Yes' under duress or with the threat of violence means 'No.' A look of enjoyment doesn't mean she wants it. Charlie wanted her to be enjoying it and so she complied with a moan, probably as a means of survival. But afterwards, Amy is most definitely not smiling.

Charlie does nothing to stop the other man from raping her...in fact, he watches. As the other man sodomizes her and Amy screams in pain, Charlie just sits there.

Amy doesn't tell David about the rape because generally women don't tell their spouses for a period of time. In fact, women are more likely to call a crisis hotline first, before telling a close friend or relative. The anger and terror and helplessness and all the other emotions begin to return to her at the football game.

No woman is looking to be or deserves to be raped. Amy's behavior - changing the number on the chalkboard, pacing and pouting in front of David when he is busy writing - shows she lacks maturity. Obviously, flashing the workers can be misconstrued as flirting, but Amy again is acting more like a juvenile than trying to entice the men. (In the 1971 version, Susan George is barely out of her teens and her behavior is a bit more understandable)

For a film that seems to be in the horror/thriller genre, the script realistically portrays rape and a woman's reaction to it...from the actual rapes where she is overpowered held down raped and sodomized, to her response to it - not telling David the truth but still being angry with him and the extremely realistic Post Traumatic episode at the football game with the images tormenting her - to the look of hate and rage on her face as she kills the second rapist.

Again, every situation is different, but in this scenario, Amy is most definitely raped.

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Okay...go ahead and disagree.

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