MovieChat Forums > Kitchen Nightmares (2007) Discussion > Season 5: The Burger Kitchen

Season 5: The Burger Kitchen


I understand the restaurant closed shortly after Gordon's visit. This isn't surprising, considering how toxic the family that owned it was.

Does anyone know what happened to the Saffron family? Did the father, Allen, keep peddling his book? Did the son, Daniel, go into another business? Did the mother, Gen, ever get along with Daniel's girlfriend? And what about Chef David?

reply

I don't have any answers for your questions, but since I just watched the 2-parter again, and it's fresh in my mind, I figured I'd post. Calling the family toxic is almost too gentle, you know? There was SO MUCH wrong with them...good grief, a family therapist could spend a decade working with them.

The fact that they'd gone through so many chefs and so many menu revisions in such order was a sure sign they were in over their heads. If they had known WTF they were doing from the get-go, the outcome could've been much different.

I liked chef David and hope he's happy in whatever current job he has. As for the family... If I were Daniel, I would be LIVID at what Alan did with his money. Absolutely livid.


--

http://www.CaliforniaDreamsPhotography.com

reply

i saw chef david working in another kitchen, on another cooking show, can't recall which one tho...



'A kitchen without a knife is not a kitchen.'- Masaharu Morimoto

reply

Does anyone know what happened to the Saffron family? Did the father, Allen, keep peddling his book? Did the son, Daniel, go into another business? Did the mother, Gen, ever get along with Daniel's girlfriend? And what about Chef David?


While they don't give as much after-story as I believe they should, they usually have some tidbits about the restaurants he visited. It also lists which restaurants are still open or closed. The ratio works out to him only being able to "save" 1/3rd of the restaurants, he visits. It will also give related news story links, like how Michone's (second) restaurant burned down a few days after opening.


http://kitchennightmares-kitchennightmare.blogspot.com/

"We have the right to bear arms, besides Mars is a red planet! - President Palin"

reply

I don't know why, but the link you've provided is being prefaced with IMDb's URL. Let's see if this works:

http://kitchennightmares-kitchennightmare.blogspot.com


--

http://www.CaliforniaDreamsPhotography.com

reply

That's very odd. I edited my post to see where it came from and it looks correct.

"<a href="%3Cbr%3Ehttp://kitchennightmares-kitchennightmare.blogspot.com/">;
http://kitchennightmares-kitchennightmare.blogspot.com/</a>";

Of course I don't know what %Cbr%3E is.

"We have the right to bear arms, besides Mars is a red planet! - President Palin"

reply

IMDb's software does some strange things with links. For example, let's say you post a comment including a link, and the link works. Then you go back later and edit the post. The link will have acquired a space in it, and if you don't notice it--and remove the space--the link will no longer work after you post your edited comment, because it's broken with a space in it. Weird!


--

http://www.CaliforniaDreamsPhotography.com

reply

All I know is that Daniel got a $1 million inheritance from his grandfather who made tens of millions of dollars from organized crime in Australia.

I don't feel bad for him anymore.


Welcome to the pwned yard

reply

All I know is that Daniel got a $1 million inheritance from his grandfather who made tens of millions of dollars from organized crime in Australia.

Where are you getting the $1 million figure? I don't recall anything being mentioned beyond the amount that Alan took for the restaurant.

I don't feel bad for him anymore.

Why not? Daniel had nothing to do with his grandfather's ill-gotten gains in Australia, so that can't be what you mean. And the inheritance he was left was used up by his father without his permission, so it's not like he's living large off of that. So why don't you feel badly for him? I do.


--

Nature photography on jigsaw puzzles:
http://tinyurl.com/ocxtgct

reply

Where are you getting the $1 million figure?


I googled the family.



Welcome to the pwned yard

reply

I feel sorry for him not only because of the money, but because his parents are complete whackjobs.

When Allen said, "He's (referring to Chef David) been working under the spirit of being paid." I was like, this guy is out there.

Chef David was right, Gen was disappointed that Gordon liked his burger. Instead of being happy that they had a guy who actually knew what he was doing, and could make food customers would like, she became even more angry at the guy because all she cared about was being right. Even more than being successful.

Then, the whole Yelp thing. Wow, psychos. They should get together with Amy & Samy and run the kitchen in a looney bin.

reply

Chef David had some legitimate grievances but he was still a jerk. If you are in a bad work environment you still have to maintain a level of decorum rather than resort to verbal abuse. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Also, even if the recipes were bad how would that exonerate him from the burgers being cooked incorrectly? As head chef, he should be able to cook and train others to cook medium vs well done without raw being in the mix. This is a competency issue but I was more irked by his counter-verbal abusiveness. I can see seeing defending yourself verbally and even getting hot under the collar but he seemed to revel in threatening and trying to hurt the owners.

reply

The burgers cooked were from frozen 1 and 1/2 inch thick patties if I remember correctly. Placed directly on the grill with no thawing. It would be an ecoli factory if they did thaw out the patties before cooking. Frozen patties are not easy to evenly cook without drying the outside. And if he had cooked the outside to perfection, the inside would still be rare to almost raw because the inside of the patty is still thawing. The patty also wouldn't taste like a burger made from meat that wasn't frozen.

reply

I feel bad for David in that his father is a psychopath who stole his sons inheritance. But the blood doesn't wash off the money just because it's passed to another person through inheritance so I don't feel quite that bad that David lost his inheritance, but I got the impression that it was the fact that psychopath dad looking at him as just a *beep* backdoor ATM to empty for his own ends is what hurt him so deeply (as well as the fact that his mother stayed with, and supported the monstrous son of a bitch).

So the source of the money is pretty much beside the point beyond the additional pain that his grandfather whome im sure he loved deeply had wanted him, not his empathyless father to have that money.

reply

Alan's father was notorious gangster Abe Saffron. The grandkids got more inheritance than Alan.
Explains why they are all messed up.

reply

Gosh, I'm watching this one again, what a disaster.

reply

Just watched for the first time. At the end it looked like it was going to succeed so was sorry to hear it didn't. I suppose bad habits crept back in. To me I was shocked to hear it was Abe Saffron's son and that he came from Australia. Allan would have grown up with the best burgers in the world cooked usually by Greek and Italian migrants who ran milk bars in this country. And the meat pie! Man his memory was bad. Gordon has been to Australia so he would know what a proper Aussie meat pie would look like. It's the staple diet at any football game and you have to eat it in your hand. So that gloop was nothing like the dinky die thing. Ramsey said, send it back to Australia, hello, it never came from Oz in the first place. Into the bin where it belonged.

SkiesAreBlue

reply