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Does this movie reflect how the banking elite operate in real life?

posted 16 years ago by WWu777
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With all the intellectuals in the conspiracy movement (David Icke, Alex Jones, Michael Tsarion, etc.) and hundreds of informative factually based YouTube videos out there claiming that a banking elite and new world order control the world behind the scenes, financing pseudo-wars and spreading lies and propaganda, does that mean this movie is an accurate depiction of how things work in the real world?

After all I heard it was a proven fact and admitted fact that the Gulf of Tonkin event used to start the Vietnam War was a staged hoax by the US government, which led to the deaths of 58,000 Americans and 3 million Vietnamese.

Since when has truth become a taboo in America?

Is it true that the banking elite are behind all this? Are they at the top of the pyramid of the NWO?

And now the FBI admit that they have no evidence linking Osama Bin Laden to 9/11 and at least 7 of the 19 9/11 hijackers have been found to be alive. Yet the frickin mainstream media do not dare cover this. Go figure.

Free speech my a**.

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[–] fantaye 16 years ago

i don't listen to any of this conspiracy theory.. but i know one thing: the Jews were told long time ago by GOD Almighty that USERY was forbidden against their own people. that means, no banking system.. it always puzzled me in the Bible why God would specifically ban the charge of INTEREST like as if GOD wouldn't understand the value of money: until i thought about this whole economic fiasco and how debt was being used to make people even more dependent upon their government and the programs it provides. Tell me, really how many people really go out and build their own houses? or buy it with a majority of it paid off? any time there is debt is involved it is a way of control. If you don't believe me, go to any third world country. Yes Communism might be repressive: but at least it's upfront. The day we will know how much Corrupt Capitalism is is if (heaven forbid) that the US loses its monopoly and domination of its Military might.

[–] mpieracki-1 16 years ago

Muslims are not allowed to charge interest on loans given to other Muslims. There is no such thing for Jews.

[–] titian-imdb 8 years ago

It's mentioned in the Old Testament that charging interest is wrong eg Ex 22:24. Jews interpreted this as it being wrong to lend at interest to a fellow Jew, and, likewise, Christians to a fellow Christian. This led to a cosy relationship in Christendom where the Jews became the money lenders to Christians, as if that dodged God's edict. In many translation 'Usury' has become 'excessive interest', as if it is too hard to imagine a world without interest.
Even sharia loans still make money somehow; I think this might be by charging a set fee for arranging the loan etc.
Part of God's dislike of interest might be because it involves earning something for nothing and is therefore lazy and exploitative; there was no risk taken by the lender since there was no bankruptcy and a person who couldn't pay would become a slave. There were also, supposedly, years of Jubilee every fifty years, during which debts were canceled and possessions returned, although I'm not sure they were observed. The economist David Ricardo wrote about the dangers of rent extraction over 200 years ago...those who have gain more.
BTW 'mortgage' translates to something like "bound until death" and is the modern way for us to sell ourselves into slavery.

[–] chicago85 15 years ago

I remember taking a course in Economic history. Economics didn't become a seperate field until Adam Smith of Scotland seperated it from moral ethics tied to religion. In early times people borrowed money if they were in trouble. Interest was considered taking advantage of someone's misfortune.

Then we got the rise of cities and a need for amassing large amounts of capitol for more complicated business enterprises. These loans were not taking advantage of someone so an exemption was made to charge interest for large scale capitol formation.

After all the people loaning money were taking a big risk. If a guy leased a ship and got back with spices from the Orient he was rich for life even if 2 of 3 ships sank from pirates or weather. Who in their right mind would loan the needed money for something like this if they stood a better than even chance of losing everything to make someone else rich.

[–] doctorfurby 15 years ago

Hmmmm so communism is the way to go?????????????/

[–] prices10 16 years ago

David Icke is an intellectual eh? Well if an intellectual is someone who communicates with spirits, thinks he is the son of God and believes that the world is run by reptilian humanoids then I guess you're right on the money. Perhaps this film should have gone a bit further in depicting how the world is really run?

[–] kkarma2 15 years ago

Just because a hallucinating idiot also happens to know a lot about how the world is run does not mean its wrong.
These guys sit on the internet and(I am not talking about david here but alex jones as crazy as he must be, he always shows us the urls and declassified CIA information) and all what they say can be crossverified.
Just check out the CIA declassified section and you will find out that many of these conspiracy theories are true.

I always believe that Alex Jones is a misinform-er. It like these guys act as if their crazy and come out with some absurd theories but also a lot of truth and we all tend to ignore everything.

You have to separate the chaffe from the wheat.

I used to read alex jones and everytime I was WTF!! and then I would do research and find out what he says was absolutely true. It is all documented information.
But his conclusion and "whodunnit" and why is debatable.

Its like whenever we talk about 9/11 even today many reply "now way bush could not have done it, ru crazy how can the president of any country do this".

Now even though I know the official 9/11 story/commission report is festering crap, I know all the reasons why it was a setup. But I still dont know who did it.
Well I can tell you that many govt officials turned a blind eye to what was happeneing.
but who did it? not that is the only part that is the theory.
the rest of it the proof, the hijacker turning up alive in saudi and till today dont know why bush attacked Iraq and are still there.
That is the truth.
Just because someone puts forward all the "holes" in the official story and then says the "Jews did it" does not "close all the holes". The "holes" are the truth whodunnit is the theory.

[–] GoMangoMan 15 years ago

damn good post kkarma! it's one thing to wonder, but to jump to conclusions about who did what to whom and why and so on is ridiculous.

"I used to read alex jones and everytime I was WTF!! and then I would do research and find out what he says was absolutely true. It is all documented information. But his conclusion and "whodunnit" and why is debatable."

I think people like him are just using information that is technically readily available, but is not necessarily interesting or solid enough to show up in mainstream media, at least at the present time. this allows them to appear prophetic, but really they're just digging deeper than anyone else, but because they don't care how accurate they ultimately are, not because they're somehow accessing top secret information. It's statements like "I predict a bomb or some other catastrophe occurring soon in Europe or some other western or western affiliated country." that make me realize people like that are barely more credible than your daily horoscope.

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[–] user-1100 14 years ago

Love your post as well. Also think Alex Jones and Davic Icke are misinform-ers. Dunno if they're acting deliberately or not, maybe Davic Icke is, Alex Jones was the first guy who managed to film that owl ceremony by a lake, credits to him, but he may also be leading americans to a false revolution.

"Since when has truth become a taboo in America?"

Since 1909.

[–] kkarma2 15 years ago

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0963178/board/nest/146913707

Tons of link this is based on an actual true story of a bank. So go figure

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[–] Sharmster 15 years ago

And now the FBI admit that they have no evidence linking Osama Bin Laden to 9/11 and at least 7 of the 19 9/11 hijackers have been found to be alive.

Can you substantiate these statements?

[–] Catdubh 15 years ago

The film is based on the real life scandal of The Bank of Credit and Commerce International, (BCCI) and yes, they were very elite and very evil.

The bank's practices became known, internationally as a $20-billion-plus heist. Their Officers were sophisticated, well educated and trained to be corrupt.

I left Deloitte-Touche, about the time our firm sued BCCI and their auditors. BCCI, was forced into liguidation, and many of their Officers are were sent to or are currently in US Federal prisons.

What, just for once in your life can't you be serious?

[–] brucecarson2008 15 years ago

The film is based on the real life scandal of The Bank of Credit and Commerce International, (BCCI) and yes, they were very elite and very evil.

Interesting, didn't know that.

It's worth noting, the BCCI was a bank started and run by middle eastern types, not elite Europeans. However it fits in much better with the plot to have elite Europeans masterminding everything as it fits much more into people's preexisting suspicions. We don't worry about elite Arabs controlling everything behind the scenes in the west, we worry about elite westerners. The BCCI affair shows that a bank run by middle easterners being involved in arms trafficking would in fact be closer to the mark.

The same is true for third world arms dealing in general. In popular consciousness, it's American and the European defense contractors that are selling weapons which destabilize third world countries. In reality, it's "small" fry arms dealers reselling second hand Sudanese, Chinese or perhaps Russian arms. Just look at the videos of these rebel groups, they're not going around with new M16s. Those child soldiers are sporting old and cheap AK47s with plastic butts. People prefer to think destabilizing a whole African country would require some influence from the great powers of the world, that there'd be some sense and order to it.

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[–] Catdubh 15 years ago

It's worth noting, the BCCI was a bank started and run by middle eastern types, not elite Europeans.

You're half right. BCCI, was started and funded by the elite of the Middle East but it was the 7th largest bank in the world, headquartered in Luxembourg, at their peak.

I worked for Deloitte-Touche, and we sued BCCI, and their auditors, Price Waterhouse, in the late 90s. By then, there were plenty of elite Europeans, heavily involved in countless scandals.

The BCCI wasn't about "bad Arabs", it involved bad people, internationally.

What, just for once in your life can't you be serious?

[–] SeisCinemaSeis 15 years ago

I am not a supporter of conspiracy theories but what the OP is mentioning IS NOT a conspiracy theory. Heck! 'The International' is inspired by TRUE events. Is of public knowledge how several banks located in places such as Cayman Islands, Switzerland, even USA, has been in the business of the money laundering for decades.
In addition, is well known that certain financial institutions (Citigroup, JP Morgan) helped Enron commit fraud, hence they were helping that corporation to steal billions of dollars.

So, this is not a matter of "conspiracy theories", it's about facts. Anyway I am afraid we have just seen the peak of the iceberg. Worst things surely remains hidden from the public eye.

[–] doctorfurby 15 years ago

I'd love to see a film about the corrupt banking practices of Fanny and freddy and how they destroyed the housing industry but that will never happen since democrats were responsible.

[–] etcbin1 14 years ago

I believe the term you are looking for is "pseudo-intellectual."

I mean you mentioned David Icke! Doesn't he believe the world is run by reptilians or some crazy thing like that?

Intellectuals apply critical thinking and the scientific method usually and don't base their worldviews on nonsensical conspiracy theories.

And while I think the banking elite are quite greedy and selfish, I don't think most go around as they do in The International.