BBC does Flash Gordon?


As has been discussed, we all want a new Flash Gordon series, but this time we'd want a better one, ideally with a higher budget and better episodes earlier in the season. I was thinking about this and it hit me: Why doesn't BBC make the next series? Look at Dr. Who. That has got to easily be the best show I've ever seen (not that I watch a lot of tv, but meh). Perhaps if we petitioned them with enough support and ideas, they'd give it a try. So, I say we GIVE it a try at least. In this thread, we can post ideas for people to play various characters, which characters/cantons we'd like to see, possibly plot ideas, etc. And if we can get along well enough and get organized enough, we can also figure out exactly HOW to contact BBC about this.

RULES OF THIS THREAD!!!! (And yes, you must all follow these)

1.) NO FIGHTING! I *know* that there's a lot of arguements going on around here, but I don't care! There are a million other threads for beating each other up virtually. If you must fight, do it *there*! I also don't want to hear things like "He's a troll!" or "He started it!" or "He's just using lots of different accounts!". Again, I don't CARE! No trolling is done here, I don't care who started what, and it doesn't matter if a person has forty accounts. We're all getting along here. Which brings us to...

2.) Respect each other's ideas! If Person A thinks that the Deviates should be brought back and Person B doesn't like that, talk it over *nicely*. None of this "Deviates suck!" nonsense. We're all more mature than that.

3.) Post to add to something (ideas, constructive criticism, etc). Don't just randomly get into a discussion on ducks or something.

4.) If you have any information on getting this to BBC that would help, POST IT!

5.) If you don't follow the rules, you will be totally IGNORED. That means that any ideas you have, even if they're the best in the world, will be left out.

6.) Have fun! This is for everyone so enjoy yourself!

My ideas:

Characters that I'd like to see would be Flash, Dale, and Zarkov (duh) along with Ming (again duh) and Aura.

I wouldn't mind Flash and Dale being younger, say college age, but no romantic love triangle. They are already going steady.

Zarkov is a scientist working on a top secret government project - a rocket with a warp-drive type device - and is sent off to Mongo with them by mistake. While I do like the idea of Zarkov being quirky and funny, I don't want him to be so obviously paranoid. I'd like it if he was quirky, but once you looked past that you can tell he's intelligent and knows what he's doing.

Ming would be a bit more complex. Kind of like Captain Videl, from Pan's Labyrinth. He manipulates others to get his way, but has no problem torturing or getting his own hands dirty. He also seems slightly unbalanced - when he loses control of a situation, he begins to act unnecessarily irrational or violent. He also has a large harem and becomes obssessed with putting Dale in it. He tries often (and unsuccessfully) to keep Aura on a short leash, for the sake of appearances. He is able to veil his cruel deeds (albiet thinnly)

I'd like Aura to be more like a huntress/outdoors person (I did like Anna Van Hoft's version of her though). She starts out somewhat bratty, with little regard for the lives of Mongo citizens like Hawkmen or Lionmen (who she hunts like game for fun). The only tribe she is close to is the Verdan, because of her love of the forest and because she and Barin are secretly lovers. Because of this, she often tries to protect the Verdan in secret from her father's plans of conquest. Aura tries to win Flash's attention at first, but in the end her runnings in with him change her to a kinder person and she and Barin attempt to overthrow/directly confront Ming.

Barin, I'd definitely like to see. He and Aura are already lovers. He tries to protect his people from Ming by any means.

Prince Vultan might be one of Flash's allies and similar in age to him maybe? Dunno too much about him. The Hawkmen should have wings growing out of their backs and live in the mountains though. And they hate the Lionmen. They aren't really trusted and Aura hates them.

The Lionmen are the strongest tribe on Mongo and aren't trusted (much like the Hawkmen) and Aura hates them. They live in the jungles. Their pride is led by Thun and has qualities of a lion's pack.

The Tridents are the fish/shark people that live in the ocean (though they can come above water, with special support systems). They were originaly one of the three tribes to lead Mongo. They are officially led by King Nephetit, but most problems are handled by his daughter, Princess Nereus. The Tridents attempt to remain withdrawn and neutral in most Mongo affairs now. There are hints that Nereus has feelings for Flash, which leads her to assist him more and more.

The Humans are a new tribe idea I had. When the Hawkmen, Verdan, and Tridents ruled Mongo, the humans were considered mainly for making up the military, as they were the largest tribe and therefore considered the most expendable. They can't live underwater or fly and aren't knowledgeable of the land or extremely strong. They became the ruling class when one of the strongest humans in the military, Ming, took power.

My idea for a pilot: Flash is a college student who is more interested in car racing and other sports. When his class goes on a field trip to a base (NASA or something similar), Flash manages to annoy the teacher by arriving late and attracting a lot of attention by driving up recklessly in his car. When the tour starts, Flash falls back with his girlfriend Dale. The two sneak off and Flash, fooling around, climbs into a finished (but untested) spaceship. Dale follows. This attracts the attention of the scientist working on the ship, Zarkov, who orders them out. To distract Zarkov, Dale pretends that they were interested in how the ship worked and asks him questions about it. Zarkov tells her that the ship is built to run using a special engine that, when powered enough, can cause the ship to pretty much warp fantastic distances. Using it, NASA could theoretically use it to send man to explore planets galaxies away. Before it can be tested though, the destination must be further looked into, as if there is no energy sources when engine stops, the ship cannot return. Somehow (of course) the spaceship gets turned on and the engine is activated. Flash, Dale, and Zarkov are all sent into space, where they crash-land on Mongo. Their arrival brings about the attention of the various tribe leaders, along with Ming the Merciless and his daughter, Aura. Flash, Dale, and Zarkov must fight the forces of Mongo while trying to find an energy force to return home.

The Backstory/Twist (uncovered gradually by Flash and Co.) Before Ming took power, Mongo was ruled in a joint leadership between the rulers of the Trident, Hawkmen, and Verdan tribes (this was because those three tribes represented the ocean, sky, and earth). This form of government became threatened however, when the people began to demand that the queen of the Tridents marry one of the two ruling kings (either the Hawkmen or the Verdan). She chose the king of the Verdans and this caused an outcry from the Hawkmen tribe, fearing that they would be thrown from power. In the midst of the fighting between the three tribes that broke out, Ming the Merciless held a coup and successfully managed to restore "peace", with himself as the sole ruler of Mongo. While the fighting between tribes settled shortly after, it resumed with a vengence when a bloody massacre, supposedly done by the Hawkmen and aided by the Lion Men, was launched. As a result of the attack on Ming's palace in Mingo City, many human nobles and higher-ups lost their lives, including Ming's wife and Aura's mother. As a result, Aura hates all Hawkmen and Lion Men and routinely hunts them like game for fun. It is later revealed that Ming in fact launched the massacre himself (he hired human assasins who he later poisoned) as a part of his plan to keep the tribes divided (if they ever united in discontent, they could easily overthrow the humans). When Aura finds out, she is furious, especially since Ming does not seem at all upset over the death of Aura's mother.

There we go. Anyone else?

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I like this idea, and I agree to the conditions.

>Before Ming took power, Mongo was ruled in a joint leadership between the rulers of the Trident, Hawkmen, and Verdan tribes (this was because those three tribes represented the ocean, sky, and earth).<

Add fire to that (volcano people maybe? "Lavamen?") and the neo-Pagans would really get off on it.

An alternative idea for the (fill in the blank animal)men concept is that they're the result of experiments in chimeric genetic manipulation done under the reign of one of Ming's predecessors. Sort of a "Planet of Dr. Moreau" concept.

I liked the idea (if not the execution) of the life force drain that the 2007 series had, allowing the possibility that Ming is much older than he appears. It could also explain "He also seems slightly unbalanced - when he loses control of a situation, he begins to act unnecessarily irrational or violent." - there's a downside to every cheat.

>The Lionmen ... Their pride is led by Thun and has qualities of a lion's pack.<

That could get complicated if you intend for the social/political structure there to be much like that of actual lions. In a pride, there's just one male (or, in some cases, two to four, and they have to be brothers or half-brothers). Doesn't really lend itself to a formidable military force, unless the footsoldiers are female.

http://www.greenzonetees.com/LionPage.html

See this too, for a race and culture (the Hani) based closely on Panthera Leo social structure:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chanur_Novels

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I like the idea of a Lavamen tribe. They could have rare items like fireproof cloaks, minerals, etc. The Triton Princess could use her water affiliation to help them get inside the volcano.

Other possible tribe ideas could be the ice kingdom of Frigia, ruled by Queen Fria and the jungle kingdom of Tropica, ruled by Queen Desira.

I also like the genetic experiment idea. In the 2007 series, I really liked the brief rivalry they had between Rankol and the female scientist and how in the end, Rankol aligned himself with Aura and was disturbed by the other scientist's actions. I wouldn't mind seeing that here too. Ming could have "public" experiments that he claims are being done to help Mongo (really, nothing is being done). Those could been overseen by Rankol. Then Ming has a secret lab that where a group of scientists, led by the female one, experiment on the people of Mongo and keep the subjects imprisoned. In one episode, Rankol could disappear and it turns out that he found out about the secret lab. The female scientist experimented on him and tried to lock him up too, but he escaped and freed the other subjects, who then formed an underground society (kind of like the Deviates).

So they originally planned for Ming to have some sort of immortality machine? That had a lot of potential! If the whole secret lab idea is used, then the life force drain could be one of their creations. How was it supposed to work? Did it steal life from one person and make Ming younger?

Hmm, you're right. On the other hand, I do like the idea of having a primarily lioness group of fighters. Maybe there could be fewer men than women, but still more than one.

Great ideas though!

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>the life force drain ... How was it supposed to work? Did it steal life from one person and make Ming younger?<

Yeah, but it wasn't a machine; it was a person with that ability.

The "Hawkmen" - y'know, the idea of them having functional wings and arms strikes me as unlikely too. Too much deviation from the basic vertebrate skeletal and musculature paradigm (in which the wings of birds and bats are basically modified arms/hands). An alternate interp of that idea might be that they'd have a particular talent for flight... applicable to aircraft/spacecraft... and vestigial feathering on their arms and hands, if not their entire bodies (though this concept is, almost verbatim, the character "Hawk" from the last season of "Buck Rogers in the 25th Century" (TV series, 1979-1981- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078579/, and as such might prompt a lawsuit from Glen Larson).

>In the 2007 series, I really liked the brief rivalry they had between Rankol and the female scientist<

Yeah, I wish they could have done more with that. A BBC production might do that.

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I see. I kind of like the idea of it being a machine better though, as the idea is that Ming's main power is his cruel nature and his cunning. And one of the missions for Flash and Co could be to destroy the machine.

Perhaps the Hawkmen could have wings that grow along their arms, like the bird kids in "When the Wind Blows"?

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>Perhaps the Hawkmen could have wings that grow along their arms,<

Maybe. Interesting idea. It would still seem unlikely that any race would have both functional wings and functional hands though.

Here's a webpage about how animal's wings work (both birds and bats - they don't work exactly the same way):

http://animals.howstuffworks.com/mammals/bat1.htm

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I would think Hawkmen with both arms and wings would be just fine. Remember, this is another planet, and you are talking about the possibilty of Lava Men after all. I would just look at it like the planet Mongo follows a different evolutionary scale than Earth. Besides, didn't it work for the character Angel for the X-men movies?

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True. Perhaps they could have sharp talons making it difficult but not impossible to use their hands?

Ohhhhh!!! A character that MUST be used: Baylin. She was easily the best of the 2007 series.

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>Perhaps they could have sharp talons making it difficult but not impossible to use their hands?<

Talons are on birds' feet, not their wings. But bats have claws on their "fingertips."

>A character that MUST be used: Baylin. She was easily the best of the 2007 series.<

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>Remember, this is another planet, and you are talking about the possibilty of Lava Men after all.<

That's not entirely unsupported scientifically. I meant creatures capable of living in extreme heat, not necessarily made of lava. I guess I should have clarified that in my initial statement.

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/msad16sep98_1.htm

>I would think Hawkmen with both arms and wings would be just fine. ... didn't it work for the character Angel for the X-men movies?<

Yeah, but the "science" in the X-Men movies was... a bit expedient. The jump from organism-with-four-appendages to viable organism-with-six-functional-appendages... well, OK, strictly speaking, it's remotely plausible, but the skeletal and muscular necessities would really be pushing feasibility.

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I guess considering that this is supposed to be a somewhat cheesy sci-fi series, how the Hawkmen fly wouldn't really bother anybody. But the bat claws was more of what I had in mind, yes.

Oh, btw, I read about Azura in the original series. She'd be cool (as a goddess-type instead of just a crazy tribe ruler).

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How about having Flash, Dale, Zarcov and a few others being astronaughts studying a black hole in space and get dragged through to Mongo. Everyone except Flash, Dale and Zarcov die in the crash.

This way the all have knowledge to fly/work certain machinery or crafts that might be on Mongo and make the special effects a bit better.

Flash the pilot, Zarcov is the scientist and Dale is there as a reporter, documenting it for NASA??

Just an idea, but might work a bit better that accidently launching a space shuttle as they would not be open to the public. Look at Kennedy Space Center in Florida. The launch platforms are miles away from the visitor centre.

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Yeah, that's a cool idea. For that though, I'd imagine that Dale and Flash would be adults. For some reason, I like them being younger (maybe because I'm kind of young myself). But a black hole would be a brilliant way to introduce Mongo.

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Bump!

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The black hole idea was already used in the 1996 animated version of Flash Gordon. In this cartoon, Ming opens up a black hole near Earth to start attacking it by the use of its gravitational pull to pummel Earth with asteroids. Doctor Zarkov builds a rocket to go through the black hole to address the situation as it were, kidnaping Flash and Dale in the process (much like the original story line). As much as I may have disliked this version at the time, at least it was more true to the original ideas and story line of Alex Raymond, unlike the show that the Scifi channel gave us.

PS. Oh, and fastoff, the characters Flash and Dale were teenagers in this version. Maybe you should check it out.

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I probably should. From what I heard of it, it was pretty good.

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Sadly fasthoff, the only version that is around is the DVD "Flash Gordon: Marooneed On Mongo- The Animated Movie". It is pretty much a rehash of the episodes of the series mashed into a 85 minute movie. But yet you do get a good feel of what the series was trying for. You can get a copy cheap at amazon.com. To be honest, as a Flash Gordon fan, I was repulsed by this take on my fav scifi hero. But hind site is 20/20, and I would now admit that this version is not as bad as I first thought. (the Hawkmen still have wings!)

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Oh well. In any case, back to plot ideas:

If we used the black hole idea, maybe we could make it an anomole or a wormhole instead. The ship Flash pilots is only supposed to get close enough to investigate, but a suction pulls them in and they crash onto Mongo.

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Being that the black hole/wormhole/rift in space has been played out so many times, I think it would be for the best to retire those ideas for a while. My idea would be to explore the mythology of Planet X and the Mayan calender that ends in the year 2012. Let's say that the mysterious Planet X is actually the planet Mongo, which last visited Earth during the time of the Aztecs, Mayans, and Egyptians. Then the people of Mongo tried to enslave and plunder our planet for their own ill gotten gains. Fighting off the advances of the Mongo soldiers, the people of Earth at that time left warnings for us in the future. Warnings that we are still trying to figure out, much like the mystery of why the Mayan calender quits at the year 2012, which is the year that the orbit of the planet Mongo brings it back within striking distance of our home world once again.

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Ohhh, that's actually a very neat idea! What about this? Certain tribes on Mongo could have actually *helped* the people of Earth with mathamatical discoveries, building the pyramids, etc. Then Ming came to power and Earth and Mongo were forced to go to war.

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You got it. This would be a fun way of exploring the little mysteries of ancient civiliazations. And when the elactic orbit of Mongo once again brings it near Earth, we send out a team consisting of a the worlds best piolt, Flash, the expert on ancient civilizations, Dale, and the worlds greatest scientist, Dr. Zarkov, to intercept and investigate the possible threat of this "Planet X".

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>This would be a fun way of exploring the little mysteries of ancient civiliazations.<

I'm really liking this idea.

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I agree! It could have all sorts of tie-ins to mysteries of Earth's ancient civilizations.

That could possibly explain how Ming and Aura (seemingly the only humans on Mongo) came to power. Ming could be actually from ancient Greece or Egypt (or possibly be the last of the Atlantians?) who went to Mongo when the tribes worked with Earth. He then seized power as Mongo went further and further from Earth. If he *were* Atlantian, that could explain his very long life. Or, he could still have the life force stealing technique.

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Bump.

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Bump.

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Bump!

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I doubt if the BBC would go near an American cultural artifact like "Flash Gordon" and I don't think they should when Britain has it's own forgotten heroes to pull from like "Dan Dare".

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Hey Haps! Miss arguing with ya, so, I gonna throw out two big wrongs in this post you did. I know I'm late, but I've been busy. LOL!
First off, Flash Gordon, thou an America property as you stated, would get the blessing from ITV if the price was right. Second, and here is we're gonna let lose on some great banter!... Is the fact that I really did think the first season of the comeback of Doctor Who, was one of the most well written shows of that year!

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