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Negative Reviewers - Defend Your Accusations


Hi there,

Usually I'm the last person to waste space on new topics, but I wanted to ask a question of all the, apparently, dozens of negative reviewers on this board. The ones whose lack of support led to this show being canned and why it has such a bad overall star rating here on IMDB. I don't understand what your problem with this show is, so maybe you could explain it to me.

Though I'll admit that this show had its occassional issues (the cast were a little wooden at first, and the budget wasn't huge, so the SFX were a little dull on occassion), I personally think that it was fantastic. I gladly watched every episode and couldn't find one bad one among them. I found all of the characters genuinely charming and well-acted by the cast; I found the episodes all intriguing and well-written, dialogue and all. The main cast of characters were all very fun to watch; even the supporting cast held my attention; there wasn't anyone in this series I legitimately hated.

I admired the realistic brutality that was often shown in the way the characters behaved, the way the Dactyl leader dispatched an assassin in the penultimate episode, the way Ming ordered ten Verdan to be killed daily while Barin remained free, and killed the messenger sent by the rebels. These were all exceptional touches to show exactly how dark and dangerous the planet of Mongo was, without going overboard with it. I also admire the realistic character interactions, and how admirably smart Flash and Dale often were; I have a game I play with a lot of other series called "Why Didn't They Just...?" I say it a lot when watching Smallville. I didn't say it at all here.

I especially liked the fact that this series didn't utilise the well-worn cliches of other series of this type; there was no Flash-Dale-Joe love triangle; Rankle didn't betray Ming (I think he would have continued to support Ming if he hadn't imprisoned him); Rankle and Lena didn't constantly undermine one another to gain favour with Ming, all the while reducing their own efficiency; Zarkof, despite being a bit dull-witted, didn't fall for Lena's lies; Flash legitimately cared about Aura, despite the fact that he didn't want to be with her romantically; Dale and Flash didn't end up as a couple immediately after Joe died, in fact, they remained platonic throughout the show, which I find uniquely endearing. Plus, I found it really exceptional that Carmen Moore's character managed to put the whole sordid mess together herself without the help of any of the other characters, which might be a first for a series like this.

Essentially, I see this series being judged on a couple of questionable scenes (such as the infamous bowling alley scene), or on the fact that it didn't stick completely to the (frankly, garbage) original Flash Gordon, and I have to wonder what kind of head injuries you've all suffered to mean that you missed out on what this fantastic show has to offer.

The Batman series enjoyed its lowest ebb with the campy, brightly-coloured romp that was Batman & Robin. Recently, it received a revamp in the form of the Dark Knight, a more serious, realistic portrayal of the Batman mythos. Gone is the giggling, joke-cracking Joker, replaced with a grim, sadistic monster out to prove that everyone else is just as ugly as he is. Flash Gordon (2007), I have no problem in saying, is Flash Gordon's Dark Knight, the revamp with a serious edge we were waiting for. Gone are the stupid costumes, ridiculous hair, and uninspired alien races, replaced with unique tribes, more human characters, and a genuinely gripping fight to save Mongo and the wider universe from destruction.

I think the fact that destroying the universe was never Ming's goal makes the idea all the more chilling; he'd cause it to implode through his own selfish need to retain power and steal resources, much like our own world leaders would.

If anyone has a legitimate argument for the column marked "bad writing", please feel free to air it here, so that I can see exactly what your issues are. Because, as yet, I haven't seen any argument beyond "this show sucked". And I don't call that a very compelling argument.

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"I am the scourge of God, appointed to chastise thee."

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Did you actually watch the series? Because I notice you only quote the same four "problems" over and over, ad nauseum. To be honest, if Flash Gordon from the 40's attracts fans like you then it doesn't sound like my kind of crappy vintage comic book. Seriously, if "rocketships and spaceships" and fu-manchu Ming are all it has to offer then I'm really not missing out.

But you didn't offer me an explanation; what parts of this series were poorly written? I'll grant you that the shot of the machine blowing up the bowling ball wasn't particularly impressive (low budget show), or the fight in the kitchen (low budget show, but still a sound fight, plot-wise; I mean, where else were they going to fight it; it was after the Imex, which was supposed to be in the Gordon family home?).

But Ming was by no means bad, he was just different; he wasn't a walking, talking bad guy cliche like the other Ming incarnations were; instead he was a genuinely realistic character whom they'd obviously put a lot of thought into. And as for the Dactyls, yes, they were wingless, but they also didn't have a frigging cloud base either, like the ones in Flash Gordon of the 80's. It makes more sense for them to be nomads who fly based on honed skill rather than innate ability.

So it seems that we're at an impasse, because you want Dactyls with wings and fu-manchu Ming, which I think is stupid, outdated and unrealistic, camp and cliche and boring and too painfully ridiculous and over the top to waste my time watching. And I want good acting, good plot, decent drama, realism, socio-political commentary and action sequences that actually keep me hanging on the edge of my seat while not playing into stupid wire-fighting trends of recent years. So feel free to stick to yours and I'll stick to mine.

I don't think you're justified in saying that the writing was bad; you're argument SEEMS to be more than it isn't bad enough for your tastes. Or maybe we just have a different view of what is "good".

P.S.: Yes, I have read those pages of Flash Gordon that are on Wikipedia. Why was the beastman using a sword? Why did Ming want to marry Dale? Why is a polo player a better fighter than a beastman? Why did Zarkof not just shoot Dale and Flash in the first comic, instead of letting them come with him? Why did he think flying a rocket into a meteorite would work, and how did he end up on Mongo instead? How did Flash and Dale survive the plane destruction when the meteor should have just smashed them to bits? All of these questions from three pages of the comic; I can't imagine what the rest must be like.

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WINGLESS HAWKMEN! MOM'S KITCHEN!
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All of your points are irrelevant. Fan response means nothing. Avatar is widely regarded as being dull and poorly written, yet its almost knocked Titanic from the top-spot, maybe even has by now. All that proves is that idiots will spend money on something that is popular but not worthwhile; Flash (2007), which was excellent, was the butt of a bad fan reception.

I only WISH that it hadn't been a Flash Gordon show, perhaps then it would have gotten the acclaim it deserved. It could have stood on the merits that it had without borrowing the names and places from the FG series. Or not, actually, since people are still idiots and wouldn't appreciate genuinely good writing if it came up and bit them in the face. Yes, the special effects were poor; they were clearly low budget, but the character development and individual scripts were excellent. I don't know what criteria you are using, but I was thoroughly impressed, and writing is MY passion.

Incidentally, I can't believe you have the nerve to mention Firefly as being superior to this; after the first few seasons of Buffy and the first two of Angel, Whedon became an absolute hack. Firefly was awful, fansites or not. And I've been reading the Dresden files. Buddy, they ain't that great. Dresden isn't nearly as charming as Flash was in this 2007 show.

The only reason The Dark Knight was popular was because Heath Ledger died. Otherwise, it would have been as underrated as Batman Begins was years before. Audience numbers and profit may be all you Americans can think of when someone mentions success, but that doesn't make it the case. Things can be worthwhile for other reasons.

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Here is one of the few remains of the paid shill madness on this site. You were not allowed to reply to Weskarian, or his other alter ego- Stilton Mc Cheese I think. Too funny.

Show sucked dude- cash your Mongo 90210 paycheck!

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Yeah - this board was definitely evidence that paid marketing exists on imdb. It was rather an amusing little battle between critics of the show and the scifi employees trying to drum up some support for it before it was mercifully cancelled.

I mean it says it all, doesn't it - you, me, some of the other critics here that were most vociferous at the time - we're all massive fans of Flash Gordon, in all it's forms - and we hated this show from beginning to end. Doesn't that tell the producers right there, isn't that evidence enough that they screwed up so badly?





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Well I actually liked the show, with the caveat that (a) they had a micro budget so they did the best that they could with what they had, and (b) I viewed it as a completely separate entity from the previous major motion picture and saw it as a modern re-imagining of the cheesy (and low budget) B&W serials.

The negative reviewers are a bunch of fanboy trolls. And they are relentless. Essentially they have NO LIFE and expend HUGE amounts of writing energy to not only slam the show mercilessly, but to attack, insult and impugn anyone who does not HATE it as much as they do. I see it all the time on IMDB forums.

Everyone can have an opinion. It's a right. But these idiots attack other people's right to have an opinion different than their own. That is what I find unacceptable.

It was a cheap show that really could have used more money. Why the powers that be did not give them more money to work with I don't know. I liked the interesting story arcs they were introducing. Again, it veered away from the major motion picture, but that had MILLIONS of dollars to play with.

Also, I must admit that the persons who cast this show really knew how to cast beautiful female actresses. The three main female characters, Dale, Aura and Baylin were probably the most beautiful women on television. I humbly admit that just seeing them was a BIG REASON I tuned in every week. And they were all Brunettes! Woo hoo! No vapid Pam Andersen blonde bimbos, everyone was tough and smart and beautiful. I suppose that making non of them blonde was in fact, a 'blonde joke' in disguise. lol. (Oh, and I forgot, having Jill Teed as Flash's mom is a plus, she is a beauty as well!!!)

Anyway, the amount of puerile hate this show suffered from the idiot gallery just made me STOP reading the forums, period.

The SHOW stopped just when it was getting REALLY interesting. I liked the big story arcs that they were developing. I was getting used to the world that they created, albeit, it was different than the motion picture, but so what?

So I suppose that I'm not answering your post because I'm not one of those immature negative posters. My answer, though, is that they HAVE no answer other than the most vapid kind.

Be careful though. They will resort to insults when they can't formulate good responses! :)

Dr. Kila Marr was right. Kill the Crystalline Entity.

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"Negative Rreviewers- Defend Your Accusations". Really? How? Every time someone posts a negative comment about this show, it becomes a, "Post deleted by an administrator". Just look at this whole chain of responses for proof. All have been deleted, makes for quite the one sided argument. If someones happens to be in the negative relm for this show, or any others for that matter, what's the big deal? This isnt a fan post, and if an IMDB administrator is that thin skinned, he or she needs to consider another outlet for his or hers time.

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I wonder if the paid censors of this projects have stopped getting paid? Weskarian was a troll, and MONGO 90210 was a terrible show- am I allowed to say that? well if it gets deleted, it just adds to the shame.

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I think it's been proven beyond a doubt that Weskarian is a paid advertiser for Mongo 90210. Amazing amount of hate for this show!

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