A little trivia ...


... I just added this bit of trivia to the trivia page ...


"Alan Doyle (Alan O'Dayle in Robin Hood) and his band can be heard in a scene in State of Play, when Crowe's character Cal is driving his old beater car."

I believe Alan wrote the songs he sang in Robin Hood ...


Here's another bit of trivia ...

Giannina Facio is the stunning woman who played the wife of Maximus in Gladiator.
She can also be seen briefly in a background scene in Robin Hood, apparently as Marshals wife, in the scene where Longstride, posing as Loxely, is returning the crown of Richard to the queen mother.

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(well oops Gianinna's character is listed as a 'lady in waiting' ... but as such, she could'a been Marshals wife too)

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Well, not really, since Marshal's wife, Isabel de Clare, was Countess of Pembroke in her own right and the greatest heiress in the kingdom. Apart from being too important to be a lady in waiting to anyone she was just too busy, administering her vast estates in England, Wales and Ireland.

Scott has shoehorned Giannina Facio into virtually all his films since he took up with her, in non- or barely-speaking cameos. She was Saladin's sister in Kingdom of Heaven, too.

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Wow! You definitely know your English nobility!

Several have also commented here about historical inaccuracies in this movie which I was not aware of.

But I understand the disappointment. When I watch movies where I know any facts are improperly portrayed, it vexes me too.
I suppose if one wishes to simply relax and enjoy a good, adventurous movie, ignorance is indeed bliss.

And yes, now that you mention it, I do remember the tiny, split-second where Fiaco is shown in Kingdom of Heaven! (another of my fav movies, which at least points out it's own historical inaccuracies via the special features)

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Sadly, it doesn't. That is, it admits modestly to some of the film's more trivial tinkerings with the historical facts, while busily reinforcing a whole slew of much more fundamental ones, which IMO is the worst kind of weaselling.

Such as the notion that Saladin was a peaceable ruler who wanted to reach an accommodation with the Franks; that the Muslim attacks on the Frankish kingdom were in any sense 'the natives trying to get their own country back'; that Sibylla murdered her son or that anyone ever even suggested she had; that the boy had leprosy; that Guy was a villain; that the Templars were vicious extremists; et cetera. KoH isn't just 'historically inaccurate'; it deliberately presents a completely untrue picture of the Crusades and the people and the causes of the events it deals with.

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... I'm speechless ... lol . . .

and here I thought I THOUGHT and analyzed things ...

but obviously there IS a difference in my over-thinking-,over-analyzing movies, and someone who can actually watch a movie from an academic-historical perspective, which I failed to achieve as a younger person. I did read a lot as a kid, but not much regarding pre-WW1 history.
What knowledge I gained of historical events post WW1 came from my father (a WW2 vet) before he died.

The greater point is exactly your own:
Each generation influenced and moved by movies which misrepresent history - and this mind-set is compounded by the intensely realistic affects (like CGI, etc) combined with bits of historical facts which, in essence, change history in the minds of people who have not studied these things deeply, and whose faint academic memories seem to coaberate.... And for each successive generation, historical facts are something now deeply imbedded in forgotten books, internet archives, and graves.

A perfect example of this is the movie
Forest Gump.
I can't tell you how many young people I had to try to convince that this movie was fiction. I'm sure you know exactly what I mean. But, to them, it seemed a movie 'based on a true story'.

And as you concisely pointed out, tinkering with the facts is the worst kind of weaseling, bc generally has no idea which parts are spot-on or which or contrived. Fewer and fewer young people are going to take the time to dig up historcal truth. Meanwhile, layers of erroneous interpretations are piling on.

At any rate, I enjoyed our exchange! And I learned something!

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