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This Friday on Journeyman ep8 : Winterland


Aired Nov 12, 2007

Dan tracks the life of a young girl who runs away from home.

Guest Stars

Alexi Wasser
Girl Hippie

Jake Sandvig
Mo

John Schneider
Dennis Armstrong

John Noble
Dunston

Margo Harshman
Abby Armstrong

Sean Wing
Sammy

Michelle Bonilla
Anna

Saxon Trainor
Elizabeth Armstrong

Heather Mazur
Patrick Falls

Evan Lai
Manager

Bob McCracken
Diner Owner

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Episode 8, Winterfell? This time Dan travels in time and ends up in Westeros...

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OK, another good episode. It seems the couple of clunkers were flukes. The series seems to be hitting stride. If this keeps up, I'll agree that it certainly was a shame that it got the premature ax.

The celebrity inspiration of the week was Patty Hearst, but they did a nice job of it, so I won't complain.

Favorite line: "Is this as good as Blue Nun?" Remember this episode. Any time anyone starts waxing nostalgic about the '70s, trot it out. Watergate, polyester liesure suits, hippies babbling about the power of crystals and free love, the AMC Gremlin and lousy wine. Throw in disco and gas rationing and you've got the whole decade.

Terrific revelation about Livia, which I won't mention until we've all had a chance to watch the episode. I did not see that coming at all. Clears up some dangling threads so we can move on, and that's good too. But now, it also opens up some questions, with spoilers, so I'll put them at the end.

Katie must have pulled off a shell game with the cash, and I'd really like to know how she did it. Maybe next week. The $20 bill bit appears to be getting Jack going down perhaps the real road. It'll be interesting to see where that leads.

The "I must be getting old" moment happened when Dan mentioned how cool it was to see Nixon's "I'm not a crook" speech live. Trouble is, I really did see it live. But it was the real '70s, not the TV version with a bunch of gorgeous babes and well-dressed guys in a nice house sipping wine. I was in a cinder-block dorm, tossing down beers with a bunch of scruffy guys. Come to think of it, some of my friends didn't look a whole lot different from Abby and her group.

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So far, Dan has traveled only into the past. It appeared to be the same limitation as on Quantum Leap: only to the past and only within his lifetime. But Livia is traveling forward. Are there different rules for different travelers? Or will Dan start going forward? And if the purpose of all of this is to correct the past and set things right, then what's the point of going forward?

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by dtmuller 7 hours ago (Sat Jun 9 2012 11:00:43)
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Favorite line: "Is this as good as Blue Nun?" Remember this episode. Any time anyone starts waxing nostalgic about the '70s, trot it out. Watergate, polyester liesure suits, hippies babbling about the power of crystals and free love, … Throw in disco and gas rationing and you've got the whole decade.

Add to that military regimes in most of South America and hyper inflation, if you care to know. Our 1970s were quite a bit different. Not that I'm complaining. Ironically things went very smoothly when the military when I was a kid and early teen. No strikes, for starters. They just omitted a few things from my History classes. Things I was surprised to learn after the regime.

the AMC Gremlin and lousy wine.

Never heard of that car. Was it a car you couldn't get wet and couldn't feed after midnight?

Katie must have pulled off a shell game with the cash, and I'd really like to know how she did it. Maybe next week.

When I saw the scene, I thought she had lined Dan's brown jacket with it, but she just put some in his pocket.

The $20 bill bit appears to be getting Jack going down perhaps the real road. It'll be interesting to see where that leads.

Indeed.

The "I must be getting old" moment happened when Dan mentioned how cool it was to see Nixon's "I'm not a crook" speech live. Trouble is, I really did see it live. But it was the real '70s, not the TV version with a bunch of gorgeous babes and well-dressed guys in a nice house sipping wine. I was in a cinder-block dorm, tossing down beers with a bunch of scruffy guys. Come to think of it, some of my friends didn't look a whole lot different from Abby and her group.

What a colorful description. I never saw the speech, but I saw Starsky and Hutch in that time, and back then I wondered when it would get old.

----- Here followeth the spoilers -----
So far, Dan has traveled only into the past. It appeared to be the same limitation as on Quantum Leap: only to the past and only within his lifetime. But Livia is traveling forward. Are there different rules for different travelers? Or will Dan start going forward? And if the purpose of all of this is to correct the past and set things right, then what's the point of going forward?

You don't get it, do you? (And this is based solely on what we've seen so far.) Dan is “da man!” She's not his equal. Dan is the one that corrects the past. Dan is the Journeyman, not Livia, so of course her job is not as important. Dan's job is to fix the past. Livia's job, in turn, is to... Well... What's her job again? OK, now you got me.

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dtmuller: the AMC Gremlin

madp: Never heard of that car. Was it a car you couldn't get wet and couldn't feed after midnight?


Well, the Gremlin was made by AMC in the '70s. AMC went out of business in the '80s. These two facts are not unrelated.

As for feeding it after midnight, there's a rumor that someone did that and it turned into a Chevy Citation.

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dtmuller: the AMC Gremlin

madp: Never heard of that car. Was it a car you couldn't get wet and couldn't feed after midnight?


If you've ever seen Disney Channel's over-with kid's show Wizards of Waverly Place, it's that old heap the cowboy wannabe principal drove in it.

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I'd've gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling kids.

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No, never seen it. But I had a laugh because that reminds me of a joke from Curb Your Enthusiasm in which Larry involuntarily befriends a 10-year-old girl who won't leave him alone and won't stop texting him. At some point she texts him: "Have you ever seen Wizards of Waverly Place?", and he goes berserk and texts back, "NO, I'VE NEVER SEEN WIZARDS OF WAVERLY PLACE BECAUSE I'M AN ADULT!!!!!!!" After that he has to deal with the anger of the mother for having "yelled at" her precious daughter, has to invite the girl for lunch and give her a gift.

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Yeah, so many "adult" shows these days are so bad that I find sometimes the kid's shows are better. Predictable cliche' storylines and all.

Sort of like the Idiocracy reference in the "cancelled shows" thread. I keep waiting to see one of the major networks promote Ow! My Balls!

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I'd've gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling kids.

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Well, the Gremlin was made by AMC in the '70s. AMC went out of business in the '80s. These two facts are not unrelated.


Yeah. They actually made a reasonably cool muscle car called the Javelin, but they were mainly known for the Gremlin and for the Pacer, which was later known as the Mirthmobile of Wayne's World.

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I'd've gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling kids.

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And now AMC produces The Walking Dead. Who would've guessed...

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Well, well, isn't that interesting? Fringe's Walter Bishop is not on a brilliant physicist and master in several other sciences, but also a wine connoisseur... Who would've guessed? But then it could be the Walter from an alternate universe, Journeyman's universe. (For you, non-nerds, that's a reference to John Noble's participation as the wine guy in the first scene, the reporter that gets fired.)

So, Dan mysteriously appears in a party where everybody's dressed like in the 1970s. Wouldn't it be cool if at least once Dan appeared in a place like that and someone told him, “Hey, Dan why didn't aren't wearing a costume for our 70s-themed party?” I mean, isn't that interesting that when time travelers arrive at a place at a different time, people are wearing the clothes of that time period, the cars are from that time, the music is the latest hit... Come on, he could appear in a medieval fair or something, just for it to be confusing.

Dan (a few moments after arriving at the 1970s key party): “I'm late for dinner with my wife.” But Dan forgets time is relative. He could get back to 2007 several days later, and then he would have a reason to worry. He could get back at the same second he left. He could get back before he left, meet himself, and since he didn't before, that would cause a time-ending paradox that would implode the universe!

“This is as good as Blue Nun?” I don't remember Blue Nun, in fact just learned about it in dtmuller's comment, but I remember that “gag wine from the future.” It's funny every time I hear.

Key party: it's the second show in a row where that is mentioned. In Pushing Daisies, in the “Robbing Hood” episode, Ned doesn't know what it is. Emerson and Chuck explain it to him, but not in so many words, and he says he gets it. Later in the episode he finally gets it and admits still he hadn't understood what that was.

By the way he looked, Professor Langley definitely knows more than he admits. Cool! Time-traveling tachyons, quartz... What's the deal with this guy anyway?

When I was a kid I remember my mother commented Tony and Doug never appeared at a calm beach. (We used to watch The Time Tunnel as it was prime-time entertainment.) Well, Dan Vasser did!

Acute case of wrong casting: Abby 2007 looks nothing like Abby 1970s.

The whole redeeming Abby case is what called my attention the least. I hardly care about those sob stories anymore. I'm more interested in Professor Langley's quartz tachyons, Garrity's investigation of the $20 bill, Jack finding out the truth about his brother and the truth about Livia. And we all had interesting developments in the latter areas.

So the truth about Livia is out. Good. I was holding myself not to tell anything! Phew! Now I can breathe. Now, there's just another thing... Never mind!

Fun facts I learned with Journeyman:
* Time traveling possibly ruins wine.
* Americans didn't care about important political events in the 1970s. (Who would've guessed?)
* Creepy dude in a pickup truck or pot-smoking hippies? Sofia's choice.

Quite good episode, almost as good as last week's. I give it 8 pot joints.

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I don't remember Blue Nun, in fact just learned about it in dtmuller's comment....


The stuff was quite popular in the '70s and '80s, but way to sweet for me. It was a brand of liebfraumilch, as I recall. I do give the bottlers credit for one very important strategic decision, and it fits nicely in this episode. In the '50s and '60s, wine producers in the U.S. were going nuts, because Americans were first in the world in per capita hard liquor consumption and second (after Germany) in beer consumption, but way down the list in wine consumption. Why wouldn't Americans drink wine? The marketing experts explained it: all of the wine snobbery nonsense about good and bad years, what food goes with what wine, etc. made it simply too much trouble to be sure you don't make a faux pas by ordering or serving the "wrong" wine. (Recall our buddy Walter at the beginning of the episode, telling Dan what to serve the wine with, and that he paid too much. And then it turned out to be lousy anyway.) Nobody thinks about "What's a good year for Jim Beam?" or "What food pairs well with Budweiser?" So they skip the wine and just order a Bud. Then Blue Nun came along and hammered home the message "It's the white wine that's correct with any dish. It goes as well with meat as it does with fish." I'll bet it's at least 25 years since I've heard that ad, and I still remember it. Today, American wine consumption is way up from 40 years ago, and even though I still don't like liebfraumilch, I give Blue Nun a big piece of the credit for that. Most wine drinkers I know all have pretty much the same attitude: "I don't know much about wine and I don't really care about what goes with what, I just drink what I like." Now, if we could just get rid of those stupid corks...

I mean, isn't that interesting that when time travelers arrive at a place at a different time, people are wearing the clothes of that time period, the cars are from that time, the music is the latest hit... Come on, he could appear in a medieval fair or something, just for it to be confusing.


OK, now you've done it! Is this payback for all the Voyagers! references? I recall something like that happening in some TV show, movie, etc. filed away in the dusty recesses of my memory. But I can't pull back the details, and now it's going to bug me until I figure it out.

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"Dan (a few moments after arriving at the 1970s key party): “I'm late for dinner with my wife.” But Dan forgets time is relative. He could get back to 2007 several days later, and then he would have a reason to worry. He could get back at the same second he left. He could get back before he left, meet himself, and since he didn't before, that would cause a time-ending paradox that would implode the universe!"

My impression is that Dans' present day life is synchronized to his biological chronometer. Whatever time Dan is aware of passing is what's passing in his real life wherever or whenever he is while it's happening. In other words, for every minute that ticks by on Dans wristwatch while he's wearing it, is ticking by in his present day life independent of the time travel.

I like the imploding universe idea, if I were a writer and found out the destiny of the show, I would have opted for that ending, loose ends neatly wrapped up.

"if it was any good they'd have made an American version by now." Hank Hill

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by - f-ascaso on Wed Jun 13 2012 18:07:00
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My impression is that Dans' present day life is synchronized to his biological chronometer. Whatever time Dan is aware of passing is what's passing in his real life wherever or whenever he is while it's happening. In other words, for every minute that ticks by on Dans wristwatch while he's wearing it, is ticking by in his present day life independent of the time travel.

True enough. A bit too conveniently neat though. Shouldn't be that neat, when we have more time-difference problems on a simple coast-to-coast air travel these days. And didn't he stay away for one or two days in the pilot (when he comes back home dirty and disheveled) even though he spent just a couple hours in the past?

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Episode 8 Winterland

This one was a trip down memory lane for me growing up in the seventies. I think they were a little over the top on the Hippies but that’s O.K. I’m not a crook who could forget that speech. Jack seems to have figured it out that Dan is really a time traveler he’s connected all the dots. Can’t figure the X-Files FBI man out my feeling he not worried about the money but maybe he suspect Dan is a time traveler too. Did Dan mention at the end that the more missions he does the longer he will have to stay in the location he travels to? I didn’t understand what he was telling his wife at the end. I know someone will fill me in on what I missed. Who next we’ve covered DB Cooper, and now Patty Hearst will Dan next assignment prevent the Sharron Tate murders. So Olivia can only go to the future and Dan to the past what a tangled web our writer are writing. Dr Langley needs to sit down and explain what’s going on to me I can’t keep up.

Darn I like this show I feel like I missing a lot of good prime time T.V. I just never watch anything on the networks anymore. Something about the twenty minutes of commercial I have to wade through. Why can’t it be like in the past when there were fewer commercials?

I really like my Boxee Box from DLink. If they
only had a Hulu hack I would have it made.

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Wow with out a doubt the best episode yet for me. Livia from the past but only travels forward, Dan from the future but only only travels past, very interesting indeed. Dr. Langly is definitely my favorite character. I love the dialogue between him and Dan. I could watch a whole episode based on that.
The stories in the present are becoming very interesting and are now starting to hold my attention quite well. As some have already mentioned it seems Jack is finally starting to put it all together and has now disposed of the incriminating 20. Way to go Jack.

The Livia thing has now become very interesting. She told Dan that she showed up in the late 80's and just stayed for a long time and had to fend for herself. I believe her whole job was to somehow keep an Eye on Dan and in someway or another get him ready for what is going on even if he had no idea. It may have been as simple as not letting him do stupid things. I believe this prove interesting if we get a chance to see it.

Yes as some have already mentioned. I too lived through the Nixon speech live. Someone made a comment about what a surprise Americans taking no interest in politics. It was much to the contrary. Everyone I knew was glued to the tv, this speech concluded a long episode of very heated politics (remember the Saturday night massacre)My parents had a huge sign over their bed that read Impeach the Pres. You never know it's history when it's happening....lol.

All in all my Favorite episode. I'll give this one 9 dirty hippies and a wife swap.......

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Yes as some have already mentioned. I too lived through the Nixon speech live. Someone made a comment about what a surprise Americans taking no interest in politics. It was much to the contrary. Everyone I knew was glued to the tv, this speech concluded a long episode of very heated politics (remember the Saturday night massacre)My parents had a huge sign over their bed that read Impeach the Pres. You never know it's history when it's happening....lol.

Well, *someone* listed that under "things I learned in Journeyman." Then, blame the TV show for always showing uninterested Americans.

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Well, *someone* listed that under "things I learned in Journeyman." Then, blame the TV show for always showing uninterested Americans.

Ah yes I guess it would make sense it was you madp. I read all the comments at once in kind of a long review format. Yes you are right the show made it out that no one was interested and I guess if I was at a wife swap party I would not have been interested either :)

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The "I'm not a crook" speech was seen at the key party. But Dan saw the presentation of Nixon's resignation letter in a café and nobody was interested either. Ok, then, wife-swapping and diner food can divert an American's attention from important political events... Har, har.

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Other places all it takes is a soccer game or scantily clad women dancing to a repeating beat for much more agregious political behavior to turn into "pizza".......

"if it was any good they'd have made an American version by now." Hank Hill

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by f-ascaso 6 hours ago (Wed Jun 13 2012 14:29:27)
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Other places all it takes is a soccer game or scantily clad women dancing to a repeating beat for much more agregious political behavior to turn into "pizza".......

That can't be true, since that hasn't been mentioned in Journeyman... Which, just to be clear again, is where I'm getting all this US political background. By no means my personal opinion, of course. In other words, blame the show and leave our pizzas out of it (which are quite good I must admit, and now you made me hungry.)

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Really late to this one, almost didn't make it, but VERY glad I did.

By far the best episode so far, had the previous episodes been of this caliber I believe the series would have had much longer legs.

Dan is not the brightest bulb, and he demonstrates it every single week, this week in the opening scenes, to establish it.

His brother got that one wrong too. GOOD! His brother is out there somewhere in his own world, psychologically seeking revenge or somehow even the score.

This was the character definition episode; we got behind the facade of Dan's brother, Olivia, Dan and his wife too. There are parts of these characters we haven't seen before, and were broadsided with.

The storyline moved right along, FBI, Time Travelers, Swingers, Hippies, Murderers and a puke colored Gremlin thrown in for good measure. Great stuff. Did not see the Olivia revelation coming, and there were so many tangents thrown in this one that I thought for a while that maybe Dan was there to straighten out the timeline for the guy in the pickup truck.

I'm going to go ahead and pronounce this one 10 out of 10. It will take some quality programming to surpass this episode. I am hoping that I get to use my new improved Journeyman meter, it's better, it "goes to 11."

I will likely be absent or do a quick drive by for the next few; I'm going to be out in the field for about a month in a number of god forsaken spots, if I have time I'll try and do a capture of the next few before I leave.

"if it was any good they'd have made an American version by now." Hank Hill

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I will likely be absent or do a quick drive by for the next few; I'm going to be out in the field for about a month in a number of god forsaken spots, if I have time I'll try and do a capture of the next few before I leave.

Where are you, Iraq? (The thought crossed my mind because of the shows I've been watching.)

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I have been there, but many moons ago. How long ago. You might pinpoint it, at the time I was there we used to pass the time watching as the thousands of "Sadaam" Passats made by VW do Brasil were offloaded. I don't feel all that old anymore after reading a previous post or two though, as I was a young lad in elementary school when Nixon made his famous crook speech.

I am going to be off the coast of Angola for 2 weeks, fun, fun, fun...NOT. I'm taking a side trip to Mozambique to visit a friend working a construction project there. I should be back to civilization in a month or so. Things get hectic, last time the skat hit the fan and I ended up missing the entire tailing end of the "Tales of the Gold Monkey" excursion. Which reminds me....I should take those DVD's along so I can watch the episodes I missed.


"if it was any good they'd have made an American version by now." Hank Hill

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The reason I asked about Iraq is because I was watching Sleeper Cell. Now that would be a cool, controversial show to comment on.

Have a nice trip then! Angola and Mozambique, huh? I see some Portuguese might come in handy.

As for feeling old, first I took you for a bunch of Internet hipster kids or something, but now I think I am the kid here, which is nice for a change in an online reality.

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f-ascaso

Be careful on your journey we will miss your comments.

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How was your trip to Africa? There's a PM awaiting you in your inbox.

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Are you "conductor" from the John Ford/Searchers board?!? If you are, I'm glad they let you out and have you back on your meds!

Seriously though, I actually took time to get into it with the locals, and I love the places I visited. We managed to clean up the mess we found at the job site and get the hell out of there before the workers could retaliate against us for making them do their job, and do it safely.

My friends project was going into vacation mode (European material deliveries are going to be non-existant for a while thanks to Euro Collective month vacation), so we somehow ended up in a beach house in Sicily. No internet as it's ridiculously epensive to use an outside cell, and you can't get one in this country without an identity card, proctology exam and first born as a good faith deposit. The places that do have free internet, well, there are MUCH better things to do that don't involve devices.

I'll join up with the group again when I get back to "civilization."

"if it was any good they'd have made an American version by now." Hank Hill

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No, I'm not. Not even close. But I did leave a little post on his board. Glad you had a good time, but I think you're partly mistaken about Italy. You can rent a cell or smartphone with no hassles.

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