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Is there any upside to Jon's heritage being revealed at this point?

posted 7 years ago by bohemianroxie (2478)
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So here Jon Snow is...his loyal followers from the North believing in him as the eldest living son of Ned Stark. The bastard status that has haunted him all his life is no longer relevant.

He has met and made an alliance, both politically and emotionally, with Daenerys Targaryen whom he respects and is willing to bend the knee to..She is much more interested in her claim to the throne than he ever was in ruling as King and he's chill with that. He's willing to support her and ally his forces with hers. They could marry and create the ultimate power couple even if they weren't smitten with one another.

But wait...Jon is not really Ned Starks son..He's a Targaren and the legal blood heir to the Iron throne (which he doesn't even want)..The chosen one..How will this be a positive reveal at this point? Will the North really be cool with all that? Will Daenery be willing to abandon what she felt was her destiny? And how romantic and allied will they feel with all these obstacles on top of her really being his Aunt ..I don't see Jon being cool with it..And how will Sansa feel?

And you know, of course, that once Jon knows the truth that there's no way he's going to lie about it even if he wanted to (which he probably would want to at this point...or rather not know at all).
This seems to me, at this time, a reveal that's only going to cause chaos at a time everyone needs to be coming together and I'm sure GOT will make the most mileage out of the difficulties involved in the big reveal.

So can there be a positive outcome from this revelation?

[–] TexasJack (12516) 7 years ago

I don't know, I actually think the revelation makes it easier for the North to again accept a Targaryen ruler. I think the North will be ok with it. He is still the son of a Stark, he was raised by Ned at Winterfell and he remains a selfless and inspirational leader.

I don't know if Dany has it in her to stand aside, and I could definitely see Jon\Aegon ceding his claim because he doesn't have any particular desire to rule. (Of course, that makes him the best choice, quite apart from his superior claim.) I could also see them marrying and attempting to rule together. Then the question is: are Jon and Tyrion enough to subdue Dany's "burn them all" tendencies?

[–] BigTulsa (25) 7 years ago

I think really, Dany has softened that 'burn them all' stance since seeing the kind of man/leader Jon is.

I'm not sure why all the hate for this season. Did they expect it to drag out at this point? They have a lot of resolution to do and they had 13 episodes with which to do it. Some of the 'fast time' stuff I think is a little silly, but it hasn't taken away from the season. Not for me anyway.

I'm still curious about the 'three-headed dragon' theory. Is the third Targaryen going to be a baby? Is it possibly Tyrion? That's why I love this show. It keeps you guessing. Well, except for the whole last season and R+L=J(A)

[–] TexasJack (12516) 7 years ago

I didn't hate this season. Far from it. But I think it has fallen from its heights and I do understand and agree with a lot of the criticism.

I really didn't like the whole Winterfell subplot. It felt very forced and pointless (other than giving the Stark girls some screentime) and the payoff wasn't the least bit surprising.

In fact, there was little to no surprise in anything that happened with the exception of the series beginning to deploy a "deus ex machina-of-the-week" crutch.

[–] BigTulsa (25) 7 years ago

But my point is I think in part the attraction of the series is that in the first five seasons or so, the story telling was very slow paced and deliberate. Starting with season six I think they knew they were on borrowed time as far as needing to wrap up the series so the pacing was pushed which will detract when you compare it to the previous seasons. I understand that complaint. What I don't like are people just complaining about for the sake of complaining. Loose ends need to be tied up.

And I liked the Winterfell subplot with Sansa/Arya/Petyr. Kept me guessing. Always hated Littlefinger the character but the actor did superbly.

[–] adam-176 (32) 7 years ago

He is still the son of a Stark, he was raised by Ned at Winterfell and he remains a selfless and inspirational leader

That may well be the significance of his speech to Theon about being both Stark and Greyjoy; he may have the blood of one house, but he was raised with the morals and outlook of another. The same is also true of Jon, and he needs to hope that the Stark allies see this in him the way he saw it in Theon.

[–] TexasJack (12516) 7 years ago

Yes, although Theon was only raised as a Stark. Jon has the blood of both houses. He is both the dragon and the wolf.

[–] Otter (24464) 7 years ago

"Then the question is: are Jon and Tyrion enough to subdue Dany's "burn them all" tendencies? "

When it comes to a war between the living and the dead, what the living need most is a leader with "burn them all" tendencies! And the dragons to do it with!

Tyrion is right to worry about Dany falling in love with Jon. His track record as a general is very poor and hers is pretty damn good, but because she's a woman and he's a warrior she's probably going to let him take charge of the war. If he not only makes another bonehead move but keeps her from being as ruthless as she can be and will need to be, he'll be a massive liability to the living.

[–] TexasJack (12516) 7 years ago

I doubt there will be arguments about burning the wights. But burning the Randall Tarlys of the world -- the very men you need to fight the army of the dead -- may still be a problem. Of course, now that Dany has seen the dead for herself, she may adjust her priorities.

[–] Otter (24464) 7 years ago

Burning the Tarlys was a valid strategic move, even Dickon. If she'd let him live, he'd had spend the rest of his idiot life thinking it was his honorable duty to carry on a blood feud and be her enemy even during a zombie apocalypse, and if anyone doesn't get that then they don't understand how things are done in Westeros, or were done in England circa War of the Roses.

She adjusted her priorities the moment she found out the threat of a zombie apocalypse was real, stopped the invasion, offered Cersei a truce, and called her troops north. So she may be ruthless, too much for a lot people, but I myself hope that love doesn't cost her her ruthless edge, not yet.

[–] Apis (1624) 7 years ago

Not to mention that Sam won't like the fact that the queen Jon bent a knee to burned his family alive. He wasn't crazy about them, but they were still family.

[–] TexasJack (12516) 7 years ago

He wasn't crazy about them,

That's a bit of an understatement. Sam's father was going to murder him if he didn't join the Night's Watch. I doubt he will be all that troubled by it.

[–] Otter (24464) 7 years ago

My guess is that The Big Reveal will cause romantic complications that will be spun out for a few episodes. They'll be engaged, he'll break it off when he finds she's his aunt, she'll want to marry him because she's fine with marrying relatives and because he's ahead of her in the line of succession, eventually love wins the day and boy gets girl and she wears something fabulous and fun-trimmed to her winter wedding.

But it has to happen, the big reveal has to happen and everyone has to get through the chaos, for the true king to return like a proper Fantasy story.

[–] Aafox90 (37) 7 years ago

I don't really think it would change much in Danys eyes in a negative way, she'd still be queen if he somehow became king and they married, which I'm thinking she's ok with after the -((climactic)))- finale.....ok that was pure cheese....but anyway....

[–] not_a_virus.exe (1267) 7 years ago

Maybe amidst the chaos, it will make it easier for the white walkers to take over the continent. Perhaps that's the point.

[–] fishpan (544) 7 years ago

I can't actually see any positives for Jon apart from making the fans go skewww right now.

The North has had enough poison dripped in its ear by Littlefinger to be pissed at Jon so finding out about his true linage combined with everything else may cause them to turn from Jon completely. Remember most haven't seen the Wight's. What they have seen, combined with Littlefinger's stirring, is a King who has been gone and now resigned his kingship, bent the knee without talking to them even before they find out he is now not the person who anyone they thought. Where as they've seen Ned's true born children turn into a day to day leader so is a much more capable warden of the North, a warrior not afraid to put herself in the firing line and a true born son touched by the old gods. The northern lords are a wildcard right now for Jon and Dany.

Mind they say that they know no King but the King of the North and his name is Stark - Jon isn't a Stark now and he doesn't have dragons for them to bow to either.

Dany will have problems with it as like it or not her claim rises on her being the true heir of the Targeryans, which we now know she is not especially in a patriarchal society. The knowledge of Jon's claim maybe enough to shake the South's willingness to bend its knee to her in the future. Even if Jon doesn't push his claim killing or discrediting the sources who are stating Jon is her trueborn nephew maybe her best shot as all the sources are loyal to the Starks or Jon and may have a major beef with the Targeryens (Howland and Sam) or in turn pissed at Jon (It wouldn't take much to make those who haven't seen Bran to believe Ned's trueborn son is trying to get rid of the bastard who usurped his claim for Winterfell and the North)

Also Dany needs to shut down Cersai before she finds out as she'd make major inroads into the Southern lords by spinning Dany and Jon will basically bring a new version of a dance of dragons to their shores if they don't band together behind her to stop both of them and the monsters they are bringing with them.

If anything Jon being a true born Tarygeryen may be them basing it a bit on Perkin Warbeck.