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The Good Intentions of Jon, Dany and Ned


One of the more interesting things about this last episode is the direct parallel you can draw between the plan to capture a wight and Ned Stark in the tail end of season 1.

Despite their experience, Dany and Jon decided on a half baked wartime decision that was guided by honorable intentions. Remember that the whole point of capturing a wight was all in service of convincing Cersei to cease hostilities long enough so they can all unite and beat back the greater enemy first. In doing so, people died and they unwittingly and ironically provided the NK with the exact advantage he needed to destroy the wall and march south. They essentially made the growing threat more dangerous in service of an armistice with Cersei.

Back in Season 1, Ned Stark lost the Game of Thrones because he was unwilling to be underhanded with the information he uncovered. In deciding to take the honorable route, he lost his head and Cersei won. So there is clearly a direct parallel you can draw between their actions now and Ned's actions then. The cool about that contrast is that back then, Cersei won because she had a better handle on understanding political maneuvering. Now, she has no handle on the WW at all and the greater implications for the realm. This isn't situation in which she can expect the WW to destroy Jon and Dany since any army the NK takes out is essentially recruited to his. I wonder if anyone is going to point out this huge advantage the NK has during the parlay.

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I think cersei would rather kill everybody in westeros including herself than give up the iron throne.

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Happily she doesn't have that kind of power anymore to back a play like that

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Seems to me they are giving her more power by trusting her with the knowledge of the white walkers. She will pretend to be on their side

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The knowledge they have isn't giving them the winning edge right now so its not going to be much benefit to her.

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Except now she knows they face a threat besides her

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Agreed.

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Jon's plan was stupid and risky, if he wanted a wight he could have just send a condemned criminal to the Wall to be hanged, there's no shortage of those. Hang him beyond the Wall, and bingo! Next morning you've got a wight!

Ned was an honorable fool, everyone likes to say that Cersei's an idiot but when Ned tried to play the Game of Thrones she ran rings around him and played with him before totally defeating him. Jon takes after his dear foster father when making decisions, which does serve him well when he's not making military decisions, but now he's going to meet Cersei! What could go wrong...

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Yeah, Jon's honorable and a good fighter, but bad at making decisions as a leader. Its good that he'll be backed up by a lot of firepower and smart people when he goes to meet Cersei. In fact I'm less inclined to give Dany any credit for the half-baked decision since she was against it at first. And if she had known that the NK could take out one of her dragons quite easily she might not have gone.

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What does NK stand for? N- King??

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Night King

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Oh, of course. But why do they call him that. I'd think of his as the dead king, or the ice king ... when we see him he is always in the day, so why the night king?

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I touched on this in a previous thread asking the same question. They essentially used the name of a similar character from the books, but the character origins are different. So within the logic of the narrative, I don't know why they call him that other than a book call back.

https://moviechat.org/tt0944947/Game-of-Thrones/599dd98f5c792c0011b0b59f/A-Night-King-centric-episode?reply=599df070a97eb90011629f86

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Good post ... I agree. But Ned hardly "lost" the Games Of Thrones ... he never wanted to play it in the first place.

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You’re right, he did not want to play it.
But he joined it when he became Robert’s Hand.

(added later:)
… and when he changed the words of Robert’s last will – Robert said: "until my son Joffrey
comes of age" and Ned wrote: "until my rightful heir comes of age" – he took an active role in the game of thrones.

So yes, he played it. And he lost.

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