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Thoughts/Questions on S7E1 (Spoilers)


A good start to the season overall. Here are my reactions, not in any particular order:

1. Arya murdering the Freys was epic. Great speech. I've commented on further length on other posts on that subject, so I'll leave that as it is.

2. Euron was a joke. Amusing, but not really threatening. Just absolutely insane. And his outfit was ridiculous. Hopefully he gets some violence under his belt in addition to his quips.

3. Enough with the chamber pots and retching, Sam. We get it. Please just stop. Ew.

4. Jorah's greyscale... Why is it bloody? I thought he was a wight or something. One of the tests in the books for greyscale was to poke fingers with a needlepoint: if you bleed, you're fine, otherwise you're a goner. Could he be healing?

5. Why was Dragonstone abandoned? It made no sense, other than maybe for emotional weight.

6. 🎶"For hands of gold are always cold, But a woman's hands are warm"🎶 Nice addition, and very catchy tune. It's still stuck in my head. Is it referring to Jaime and Cersei now instead of Tyrion and Shae?

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1. and 2. Agreed.

3. About Sam and his big discovery that there's dragon glass on Dragonstone: didn't Stannis brag in front of Jon (when he was on the Wall) that there's a lot of dragon glass on Dragonstone? I guess they all forgot about it.

4. Maybe maesters in Oldtown found the way to cure Jorah and bleeding is a side effect of a healing process? Fingers crossed.

5. It made no sense that Dragonstone would be abandoned. What happened to wives and children of Stannis' soldiers that lived in the castle, what happened to maids and cooks? They didn't go to war with Stannis. Where did they disappear? Did they just collectively pack up their bags and leave? That part didn't make sense.

I'll add one more point to yours:
7. Was letting Bran through the Wall a big mistake? He was touched by Night's King and three-eyed raven told him this annulled the protecting spells and that's why wights were able to enter the tree. Does that mean that now the spell of the Wall is also broken and White Walkers can enter as they please? (on a positive side, now Benjen can enter as well)

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1 & 2: 😁

3: Hm. I do vaguely remember that. Maybe they didn't believe Stannis? Or maybe he was excited to find the exact location of the dragonglass?

4: Here's hoping!

5: Exactly. It made no sense for it to be empty. The only thing I can think of is maybe it's a trap, and Jaime or Euron ordered an ambush somewhere. But that's pushing it.

7: I forgot about that, but good point. Maybe the Wall magic is stronger than the cave/tree?

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Maybe the Wall magic is stronger than the cave/tree?


Maybe. But if not, we might soon get scenes of wights building a human pyramid to get to the top of the Wall (like in World War Z) which will be awesome to watch, but bad news for everyone south of the Wall.

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Wishful thinking. *shrug*

But they wouldn't need to make a pyramid; they could just have their giants tear down the doors.

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You're right. I got carried away imagining a wight pyramid and forgot there's an easier way to do it. 😋

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I don’t think tearing down the doors does the trick.
After all, Benjen said he couldn’t pass and that was probably assuming they would open the doors for him.

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7. Was letting Bran through the Wall a big mistake? He was touched by Night's King and three-eyed raven told him this annulled the protecting spells and that's why wights were able to enter the tree. Does that mean that now the spell of the Wall is also broken and White Walkers can enter as they please? (on a positive side, now Benjen can enter as well)


I was thinking the same exact thing. When they were letting him through I was thinking what a big mistake it was, how this is probably what's going to allow the army of the dead to finally come south. And I was wondering why this didn't occur to Bran in the first place.

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Maybe Bran doesn't know that the Wall is protected by a spell. Has anyone ever told him that? Maybe he thinks that the Wall is just a physical barrier. He was just a kid before the war, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't know.

I was thinking that if White Walkers can sense that the Wall spell is broken, maybe Benjen can sense it too and will come to the Wall to warn them what happened.

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Benjen told him the wall is protected by spells.

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Right, I forgot about that.

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3. Sam sorta covered it. He recalled what Stannis told him, but said he didn't think it was important at the time. It may not have clicked for him at the time that he was talking about enough to arm the entire North.

5. Dragonstone is on an island that depends on goods and supplies to be shipped in. Stannis had ships and some money, but he went in the hole just to get his army to The North. Some of the deserters could have made it back to Dragonstone after Stannis was defeated and given the word for everyone else to GTFO or starve to death.

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5. That sounds like something known to book readers. Too bad they didn't mention this fact in the scene of Daenerys coming to Dragonstone. One brief sentence could've cleared all the confusion many of us have regarding Dragonstone being abandoned.

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It will probably be addressed in the coming episodes, because Melisandre is there in the trailers, and knows what happened.

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I don't remember life on post-Stannis Dragonstone being addressed in the books. It could be that all the support personnel left the castle because they weren't being paid and they'd stripped it of everything portable, or maybe the few remaining caretakers left hopped it when they saw the dragons.

AWESOME opening scene, BTW, and I'm so glad the writers gave the audience credit for being able to figure out what was going on.

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»7. Was letting Bran through the Wall a big mistake?«

I guess so.
After all, I don’t think that the White Walkers will arrive and go: »Geez, we forgot there’s a giant wall in our way… Damn!« and then, sit in front of the wall until summer arrives and they go home again, waving good-bye and calling: »See you next wiiiin-ter!«
That would be a trifle less exciting than them having a way to get past the wall. ;-)
And on that account, the Bran ticket seems likely to me.

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I think that WW originally planned to go around the Wall. Hound confirmed it when he saw "the dead marching where the Wall meets the sea" in the flames. But now that Bran broke the spell, they have an easier way of crossing. Still, a part of them will probably try to cross along the seaside cause Hound saw it happening.

What's going on at the end of the Wall? Do they have to sail around it, or what? Is the sea frozen during the winter? I'm asking book readers.

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I’ve read the books, but it’s a while ago…
If it’s mentioned there, I’ve forgotten about it.

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I'm going to assume that even if the seas don't freeze during s normal winter, they'll freeze when the Night's King wants them to.

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This sounds plausible, but if so, it begs two additional questions:

1. Why build such a high and mighty Wall and protect it with spells if WW can simply freeze the water around it and walk to the other side?

2. Why didn't WW do this earlier, like in the first season? Why did they wait for the winter?

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1) Just a guess, but maybe in the Good old Days the NW was powerful enough to send armies out onto the frozen seas to fight? Or magical enough to extend the Wall somehow?

2) I think the WW are getting more powerful and magical as the superwinter comes on. Twice at least they've shown an ability to manipulate local weather conditions, and that was before winter got serious.

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I’d vote for #2 – the WW really needed the superwinter.
After all, the ice has to be thick enough so that an army of thousands of wights can cross. And probably, the WW’s power to manipulate the local weather isn’t strong enough for that on a »normal« winter.

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5. I was also wondering why Dragonstone was deserted, where did everybody go?

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1. Not sure if this was really murder, but righteous vengeance. In uncivilized times, blood vengeance is the law. Someone murders your kin, you have the right to kill them.

2. Those Greyjoys are a crazy bunch, but essentially water taxi drivers for the other families. Euron is comic relief destined for an unpleasant end, probably at the point of Yara's sword or under a shower of dragonfire.

3. Best part of that montage was the rhythm; it was almost like a red band Stomp! video.

4. He's likely in maester town looking to be cured, undergoing some kind of experimental treatment. Who knows what effect it will have?

5. I would have expected the Lannisters to occupy it after Stannis' army was annihilated, especially considering its strategic location and proximity to King's Landing. Jamie knows that Dany's invading army is going to land there, but it sat empty. If they wanted to spring a trap, it would be a lot better to meet them on the beach with the Lannister army inside the castle than vice versa.

6. Hands of gold could refer to any Lannister, but especially Jamie with his metal hand. The woman's hands could be Cersei, but could also be Dany (woman + fire/warmth).





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1: Nice way of looking at it. Yes, it was more like revenge and justice, in a certain light.

5: Yeah, that would have made more sense. Maybe they didn't have enough men to face her head-on?

6: In the books, I believe the golden hands of the song were referring to [spoiler] the necklace of gold hands that Tyrion killed Shae with, which belonged to Tywin as Hand of the King [/spoiler]. I think Jaime is the most likely subject this time, though. Interesting point about Dany.

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2. It looked like Euron stopped by Hot Topic on his way to King's Landing.

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I think Euron is meant to appear ridiculous and drunken like, just another way to show us--the viewer that Cersei's days are coming to an end. She has no friends and enemies in every direction.

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Yeah, I think Euron meant to land in Charming, California.

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1. That was an awesome opener! Go Arya (though you're killing a whole bunch of people lol)!

2. I agree, Euron was a bit of a joke, but maybe that was the point. When Cersei was doing the whole “Enemies to the west. Enemies to the south. Enemies to the north.” thing, all I was thinking was "Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right...", which is basically all she has left at this point.

3. It was disgusting, but I also really liked that montage. Poor Sam though, he went to learn how to stop the white walkers, and all he's doing is cleaning sh!t and serving it in the dining hall. Good thing he stole those books!

4. I don't remember what happened to Jorah last season (beyond the greyscale). Do the maesters at the Citadel have treatment for it? Anyway, I'd like to see Sam and Jorah interact more, and maybe hook up John with Deneriss to get that Dragonglass (though that'd be too easy for GoT).

5. If there are no more masters (Stannis dead, no heirs, right?), I don't see why anyone would stick around at Dragonstone. But why hasn't anyone claimed it by now? It would have been easy pickings for a lesser lord to just swoop in and take it. Or for anyone, really.

Side comments:

I really like how Tormund is hanging around Brienne, all eyes and appraisal.

Little Lady Mormont is back! Great point that they need all hands on deck, so to speak, in the war with the white walkers. And at this point, after all the fighting, there're probably only children and old men left anyway, so why cut half you fighting power. Though, I wonder, when will this nonsense with the Iron Throne finaly end, and anyone with a proper army left, is going to start looking North, at the real threat.

Also, how far South can the white walkers get?

P.S. I really should have watched all those re-runs HBO was airing before the new season started. I've forgotten half of the damn show!

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The last we saw of Jorah before this was when he told Daenerys he was going to travel the world and find the cure. The citadel of the masters does seem like a logical place to go.

A pity that nobody seems to have asked Stannis how he managed to stop his daughter's greyscale, and of course it's too late for him to tell.

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Thanks for the refresher :)

Yes, too bad noone knows how Stannis stopped the grayscale. Typical Stannis, he'll come up with a "cure" and won't tell a soul lol. Or maybe it is known, but information travels so slow, that it hasn't reached the "masses" yet?

Melisandre came to the scene later, right, so it wasn't her. But, if it was done once, that means it can be done again, so there's hope for Jorah still.

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Thanks for the detailed response!

4: If anyone has a cure, I think the Maesters would. Someone did help Shireen with her greyscale, but I forget how. I agree that it would be cool for Sam and Jorah to team up, maybe even "escape" together!

5: I think someone should have been at Dragonstone. I don't really care who. Some fisherman, servants, a handful of guards, heck even pirates!

Tormund and Brienne's "relationship" is one of the high points of the show, lol.

Lady Mormont steals the show whenever she appears. Feisty little bear cub!


There are articles and videos that recap the last 6 seasons if you need a refresher. Just google it.

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The show's done unlikely pairings in the past, so it'd be fun to see Jorah and Sam on the road together. Also, if they do get to the North, there's going to be an interesting family reunion with Lady Mormont and Jorah.

I'm just thinking that even though getting the Seven Kingdoms back is what's been driving Daenerys all those years, she will eventually join in on the fight with the White Walkers, as a bigger priority. There's Dragonglass at Dragonstone, plus aren't her dragons a factory for Dragonglass themselves? That's in relation to Jorah potentially finding his way to her, if Sam informs him of the situation, and updating her about what's going on up there. (I just want everyone in the same place already lol).

As for Dragonstone itself, with Winter here, I think the servants and anyone dependant on Stannis had to be quick to find a new master. Aren't the lords who have all the food? People are starving as it is, also there's danger of invading forces coming to take the place by force (and Daenerys did come with a sh!t tone of ships and such). So I can see how it was abandoned from the former inhabitants.

Anyway, I have to go watch some of those recap videos :)

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I wonder how Lyanna Mormont and Jorah would react to each other. I doubt she'd remember him very well, since he was exiled a long time ago, perhaps even before she was born.

Dany would be a fool not to join in on the fight against the White Walkers. Her dragons would be a huge help, and I think she had a vision of the army of the dead way back in season 1 or 2. Dragonglass is obsidian, so I'm not sure if dragons can actually create it.

Hm. I guess that's a good point about the smallfolk leaving to find a new lord with food.

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Since Jorah was exiled I don't think her initial reaction would be very favourable. As for him, I think he'd like his feisty little cousin. If he just stops pining over Daenerys for 5 seconds, I can see him being a good mentoring figure for her as well. I doubt that's very likely to happen though.

And, yeah, Daenerys did have a vision way back. And since fire can kill the Dead, the dragons would be a huge help in the war.

Good point about the Dragonglass. Since it has Dragon in the name, and fire/extreme heat makes glass, I just assumed that's how you make it lol.

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»Dragonglass is obsidian, so I'm not sure if dragons can actually create it.«

While I’ve seen obsidian, I have to admit I never knew what it actually is. Wikipedia says:
»It is produced when felsic lava extruded from a volcano cools rapidly with minimal crystal growth.«

Lava is molten rock, and we know the dargon fire is hot enough to melt stone. So while dragons surely can’t produce dragonglass, it’s thinkable that you can get dragons to melt (the right kind of) rock, and then take care that it cools fast enough to build obsidian…

Aaah, well. This might be a bit far-fetched. Dragonstone looks like a volcanic island, so it probably is and has a lot of natural obsidian. No need for dragons. ;-)

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Perhaps they could make it under the right conditions, but there is a mountain of it right there on Dragonstone, so I don't think it's necessary.

However, dragons might be essential to making Valyrian steel, another thing that can be used against White Walkers.

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4: If anyone has a cure, I think the Maesters would.


In one of the recap videos for this episode someone took a closer look at the pages Sam was reading and noticed that it says that "dragonglass can be used as a cure for illness". Jorah being present there could mean that he's already being treated by Maesters, or that Sam will read that passage, connect the dots and try to heal Jorah. This makes their random encounter not so random anymore.

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That would be cool.

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I'm also puzzled about Dragonstone. Of course it's far from the richest area of Westeros, but the books made it clear that people do live there, it's not just the castle and nothing else. There were lords in Dragonstone, though not many. There should at least be fishermen or something living there. I don't see why Stannis would have evacuated the entire population.

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Yes, that’s in the books.
But this is Dragonstone of the TV show, so here, it could be that there’s just the castle. But we don’t know that because we haven’t seen much. Even if there are still fishermen on the island, it’s entirely possible that just weren’t seen yet.
Think about it: You’re a fisherman living your life on an island that has been deserted by its former lord, and suddenly an armada shows up. What do you do?
Run to the beach, armed with sticks and stones, to throw them back into the sea?
Run to the beach, to hail some people you know nothing about and who might have planned to kill everybody they meet?
Or retire to your cottage to wait and see what happens next?

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That's a very good point that never crossed my mind. The few inhabitants left could have just run and hid once they saw the armada coming. Sometimes the simplest explanations are the best.

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I just watched the opening scene for this episode for the second time, and I want to say that I think Maisie Williams' acting was perfect. I've a good imagination, and I can't imagine the scene being done better by any other actress. Her vocal tone and body language to the widowed Frey wife was spot-on: kind, matter-of-fact and unthreatening. The smile she allowed herself as she left the hall (how often does Arya smile?) came off La Giocanda. Bravo!

PS Clearly Arya is not as large as Walder Frey. Upon rewatching, it was plain that she stepped down off of something pursuant to leaving, and that she was wearing padded costuming. What refreshingly thoughtful touches when contrasted with so many comic book and sci-fi films that have characters morphing into others who are of a significantly different size from the morpher.

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I'm not sure if I would call her kind in that scene, but it was definitely good acting and a great opening scene.

I didn't notice that she was standing on something and had padding, but good find!

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