Will There Ever be Someone Whom We Hate More Than Ramsay?

I agree with both of you on the points you raise. Tywin had more time, and brains, to orchestrate (nice to be among literate posters) more evil than Joffrey and Ramsay combined. And i agree about Dance's acting chops. He makes a great antagonist, e.g., The Golden Child or Last Action Hero. There are two reasons why Tywin doesn't fill me with the same visceral urge to kill as the two younger men: First, out of sight, out of mind. I didn't SEE the Hound do the scouring. I didn't KNOW Tywin was behind the Red Wedding until after the fact. Second, Tywin has some admirable traits. His support of the Lannister name moved him to hideous acts, but did not blind him to what a damaged, defective creature Joffrey was. Tywin was not delusional, except for the incest beneath his roof. Second, he was kind to Arya. Kindness to Arya wins massive R_Kane points. He obviously knew she wasn't the peasant daughter of a stonecutter, but, instead of suspecting the worst he actually coached her on how to maintain her ruse. He saw the special young lady behind the disguise, and clearly enjoyed her company. These facts mitigate my judgement of Tywin. They need not mitigate yours.

Cersei clearly made her move into monster status with the incineration of the High Sparrow, her daughter-in-law and eight percent of everyone on the GoT payroll. She will grow increasingly insane, caring about nothing other than venting her rage and grief. That is why her reign of terror will be brief. She's not doing any thinking at all. She's got the life expectancy of a brownie at a stoners' convention.

Littlefinger, on the other hand, will be among the last players standing in this game. He is a survivor. He plays several moves ahead, and he is ruthless and unscrupulous. He threw his betrothed out the Moon Door, for menacing Sansa! Then he sold Sansa, daughter of the only woman he ever loved, into slavery to the Boltons!!

Ramsay and Joffrey are at the top of my personal list for a reason they both share: singularity of purpose. Joffrey's only reason for doing the things he did was because he COULD do them. He didn't behead Ned Stark, murder prostitutes, have the Hound ride down a butcher's son, rape Sansa for any agenda beyond exercising his right to do so. Ramsay was worse. His only agenda was to make people suffer great pain. Joffrey was an solipsist. Ramsay was a sadist.

EDIT Another factor is that Jack Gleeson is a great actor and MADE us hate him. When he was on the show, I often joked, "He must have the world's biggest bodyguard with him when he goes out because there are so many people who want to kick the crap out of Joffrey." He may STILL need that guy!

And what the fuck does that have to do with this topic, you nutless wonder?

I see your point, and respect it. Joffrey was a badly twisted human, but still a human. Ramsay was pure Evil, and, as Hannah Arendt was the first to observe, Evil is banal. Speaking personally, I will always oppose Evil more than a severely twisted human being.

I don't know who will replace him in the Villain of Villains role, but I hated Joffrey more than I hated Ramsay, as well. And I have to admit I was a bit sad when they killed off Joffrey, only because I loved hating him so much. Not that Ramsay didn't get my blood boiling, but a child capable of such vile acts is more bone chilling imo. And he was a spoiled brat to boot.

This. What makes GoT so special for me is that the antagonists are not pure evil. They feel like humans, albeit some crazy broken people, but still are humans. They are shaped by their world.

Ramsay at first was quite interesting, but the show went overboard and made the character super mega ultra evil, which took me out for awhile. He was not even a king like Joffrey, how can he get away with that amount of atrocious things he done to people. He should have been killed much earlier in a sudden unexpected death, GoT style, instead of a cliche'd taste-your-own-medicine scene. That was so obvious and boring, very un-GoT-y.

I totally agree on Euron's casting. Additionally, it feels like he's just kind of forced into a space where he doesn't fit. Like, the books go more in-depth on him, but in the show he just kind of drops out of nowhere, his story feels rushed and his presence feels out of place. Like a puzzle piece forced into the wrong spot. I guess the show is already so packed with characters and with so little time, there just isn't much room for Euron. And to top off the disappointing casting, he's given terrible writing IMO. What was that silly locker room talk at the kingsmoot? Boasting to what seemed like half a dozen guys that he's gonna give Daenerys his "big cock", and he wins them over with that. I cringed. Even the best of actors would have struggled to squeeze some quality out of that ridiculous scene.

The perfect character for that is actually ... [drum roll] ... Arya!

Seriously. She started out as a nice kid and is still being played by a super-likeable actress, but she's become a remorseless killer. She fed a man his own son in a pie, and is presumably just beginning a campaign of mass slaughter. All in the name of revenge and family honor, of course, but IMHO it's going to become clear that she's now a psychopathic monster.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe if she's reunited with Jon she'll get some of her better self back, but I suspect she's beyond redemption.