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Issue with the backstory


I have yet another issue.
Did Shaun inquire stuff along the time about Zack
because there is that scene after they surf , when they talk about Shaun's book and Zack says he read it and then Shaun says "Gabe never told me" ,why would Gabe tell him that and after that he just plays it down "like whatever" .
That to me implies he talked about Zack with Gabe , checking up on him from time to time . For example when he watches that old skate video of Zack and Gabe.
Did he have a crush on Zack since then and just did not act because he thought Zack was strait?
Does anyone else think it is possible?

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I always thought that Shaun had a crush on Zach but didn't act on it because of Zach's age and also probaly yes because he assumed he was straight.

I have to agree about backstory, I absolutely love this film - almost as much as I love Maurice - but I would love to know just a little more about Shaun and how he felt about Zach in the past. Did he just see him as Gabe's best friend or was it more that that?

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I always thought the main point in that conversation was that Shaun didn't realize Zach knew he was gay and I didn't really think about anything else. But watching it again now he does seem a little flustered when Zach asks "Why would Gabe tell you?" Which could either mean that yes, he talked about Zach with Gabe and didn't want him to know that or just that he felt awkward talking about the fact that he was gay and Zach knew about it. Nothing really conclusive there.

Nothing entirely conclusive in the scene where he's watching the old tape either. Yes, I think by the time we see him watching it, he's interested in Zach but that doesn't necessarily mean he was interested in him back when the footage was shot. It's just a fun, sentimental look back at Zach when he's younger. Lots of people would enjoy looking at old movies of the person they like, even if they hadn't known them back then. But since Shaun did know him and would remember those days, it would be even more enjoyable for him to look at it and reminisce than someone who hadn't known Zach back then. So...

I got nothing. It's possible he had a crush on Zach back in the day or we might have just been seeing his developing interest from having bumped into him again now that he's all grown up. Either one seems plausible to me. I can't remember if they say anything about it in the commentary. I might have to watch that again too.

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It is never made clear how much older than Zach, Shaun is supposed to be. At the time setting of the film, Zach is supposed to be 22 and we can assume Shaun is probably no older than 30 -- probably 28 or 29. Zach and Gabe were friends in high school and someone in Gabe's family, probably his father, made the home video of him and Zach skateboarding. At this time Shaun is in his early to mid 20s and is finished with college and probably living it up in his apartment in L.A. and writing his first book.

When Shaun and Zach meet in the backyard of Shaun's home, it is clear they knew each other before Shaun left home for college. He well may have been attracted to Zach even then but knew better than to make a pass at a 16 or 17 year old boy. However, Zach at that age must already have been aware of certain urges that he did not yet fully understand and certainly would not admit even to himself. Hence, his ongoing relationship with Tori that probably started when they were still in high school.

Later, Shaun asks Zach about his sister Jeanne and her son Cody. "Cody must be getting big." So Shaun probably knew Jeanne and Zach when Cody was an infant. When Zach and Shaun go the beach party, Shaun sees Zach's girl friend, Tori, and says, "Yeah, I remember you."

In a later conversation when Shaun tells Zach that he is writing a second book but is having trouble with it, Zach tells him he read and liked his first book. Shaun asks, "You read it?" Zach replies, "Who knew there was so much drama inside the gates of "Pacific Bluffs"? I never knew." This suggests Zach realized the book was semi-autobiographical, "You changed a few names." Shaun says, "I never knew you knew about me." Shaun is in fact saying that he didn't realize that Zach knew that he was gay. At this point Zach looks just a bit flustered and looks away as they are walking together and changes the subject. Shaun has, in fact, opened the door to Zach and although he is not sure how Zach feels about him, he is certainly becoming attracted to Zach.

In the commentary track, Brad Rowe says: "Character Shaun is doing his best to hide the fact that he has great lust going just now."

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Exactly. Well stated.

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Also, remember the scene when they are throwing the frisbee and Tori comes by. Apparently the last time she saw Shaun was when she was 13 and Shaun asks her "You're still putting up with this guy's *beep* or something similar, implying that they were together already back then. Even though Shaun probably knew that highschool sweethearts do not mean somebody is straight (since everybody tries to date and appear straight), but considering they're still together after all this years might mean that Zach really likes her.

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Zach'a final conversation with Tori is very touching. Zach is still in turmoil and she is kind and generous and her encouragement to him to follow his heart, in spite of her fondness for him, is going to result in her losing him.

Zach: "There's something I really need to tell you."
Tori: "I already know. I've known for awhile."
Zach (very close to tears): "You're the only reason I wish I wasn't, you know? None of this other ---- matters. You know, what really sucks -- is that I've always wanted to be everything to you. I always dreamed of providing you with anything you ever wanted or needed."
Tori: "Do you love him?
Zach: "Oh, come on."
Tori: "Seriously. He a good guy, Zach. You don't belong to people forever."
Zach: "Then why bother?"
Tori: "Isn't it worth it?"
Zach (sighs): "Yeah."

Very well written scene.
This and the previous conversation Zach has with Gabe in the diner are pivotal in moving Zach to restore his relationship with Shaun.

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Upon a second viewing, I caught that something is implied in the argument they have when they break up.Zach tells Shaun:

-"I’m sick of being your childhood wet dream, Shaun. Find another f----ng fantasy."

We are led to believe that Zach was at least partially aware of how Shaun would look at him over the years.

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The breakup scene between Zach and Shaun is, of course, initated by Zach. Shaun has said or done nothing to deserve the harsh remarks and treatment to which Zach is subjecting him. However, that scene is the direct result of the conversation between Zach and his sister and her disapproval at her discovery that Zach is definitely gay and is in love with Shaun.

I have to think that Zach's remarks to Shaun are impetuous, albeit unkind and uncalled for. During this scene we see that there are tears in Zach's eyes as he is making those remarks to Shaun, realizing that what he is saying is hurtful to both of them and may permanently end their relationship.

The following scenes depict Zach's sense of loss and we discover that Shaun, being the older and more mature of the two, is prepared to overlook Zach's remarks and had, in an act of kindness, sent Zach's portfolio and application to Calarts, leading to Zach's being given another chance at a scholarship.

It is particularly touching that it is Zach's two straight friends, Tori and Gabe, who set Zach back on the right track.

In the diner, Gabe actually seems a little hurt when he asks Zach: "Why didn't you tell me?"
Zach says, "Tell you what?" (He is still trying to deny his homosexuality).
Gabe: "I don't care -- at all." He leaves telling Zach that they are still friends: "We're still bros, right?"

In her final scene, Tori asks Zach: "Do you love him?" This is the only time the word "love" is used in the film.
Zach replies, "Oh, come on."
Tori: "Seriously. He's a good guy, Zach"

After they are back together, director Johah Markowitz adds the last little scene of Shaun, Zach and Cody playing happily on the beach. This was added some months after the scene of Jeanne's departure which was originally intended to end the film. I think Markowitz wants us to believe that their future lives will be generally happy.

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