He was a patriot and from what we could tell, full of integrity. Then all of a sudden after he finds out his wife was killed by Sarah he turned into this cold, unfeeling and unreasonable evil villain. I hate how they just wiped the old Shaw off. I felt like they owed this character something better.
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...and some people are STILL ticked that "Arrow" had an insane character do the same thing.
Always feel free to attack someone as a substitute for thinking.
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So go watch "Arrow". When you get into season 2, you will.
Always feel free to attack someone as a substitute for thinking.
He was badly turned. He went after the Ring because they killed his wife and then when he finds out Sarah killed her during her red test he turns almost instantly when logic follows that the RING, which had infiltrated the CIA for quite a while and which his wife was infiltrating herself was responsible for making Sarah kill his wife. But he just up and joins them completely and with no question. I get they needed to get rid of him for the Sarah/Chuck story but that made no real sense.
shareand...i want to know WHO filmed her red test? the CIA or the RING?
I think I actually blame the audience for this. I remember Shaw being seriously hated for being the new block in the Sarah/Chuck romance, when he was introduced as a pretty decent guy. But I think Shaw joining the ring was just the writers feeding on the hate for the character that was coursing through the Internet. They made him full villain so it was easier for good guys to beat him, without a messy character-based resolution.
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I thought he was a great character all the way. He STILL loved his wife. And I think that was made pretty clear early on. The bad turn was forcing a relationship between Shaw and Sarah.. it just felt off. And I felt his unemotional response might have been even more logical if he felt that CIA betrayed him. Which it did, but the Ring was responsihle too. But the thing is Shaw had no answers for years and such anger. Even though the Ring was responsible they didn't pull the trigger so to speak.
So I think with some more development this could have been a great tragic story at how the spy life destroyed a man to the point that revenge is all he had left. Jamming in some silly romantic triangle was a bad call on the writers' parts though.
he spent 5 years trying to infiltrate and take down the ring, AND lost his wife in that time. that would have changed him in some ways, it would be hard to be a part of something that long knowing you have to take it down, becoming "friendly" with the enemy and acting like an enemy to the "friends".
then to find that your new teammate was the ONE who killed your wife.
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to me, he was already on the edge--he was not quite "right" when we first meet him.
i NEVER liked his character, and after his treatment of Chuck, sending him on that Paris mission not telling him it was on the plane and alone on that plane....i didn't trust to much to start and not at all after.
it also seemed as though he was trying to replace his wife with Sarah, STILL looking at his wedding ring......
he was nuts BEFORE he found that Sarah had killed his wife.
and then there is this: http://chucktv.net/2016/02/15/chucktoid-whats-in-a-name/
this is the article, since that link woule have to be copied/pasted:
This post is part of a series of mini insights into Chuck – Chucktoids, if you will – courtesy of G. Walter Bush, author of Unpacking Chuck and Unpacking Chuck 2.0.
What’s in a name? In the case of “Chuck”, often more than you may think. Prior Chucktoids have linked Orion and Frost to the ancient mythological figures they parallel, but the monikers of several other characters also imply deeper meanings. Sarah Walker is aptly named, given her 5-season pilgrimage from an isolated, independent, and itinerant individual to a married woman who cherishes home and family.
Alternatively, Casey’s name suggests his famous emotional encasement for the bulk of the series, a disposition mirrored in his prize possession: his armored Crown Vic.
Given that a lark can be defined as a “carefree adventure”, it further makes perfect sense that Sarah enjoys her escapades as ‘Mrs. Anderson’ with Bryce Larkin, frolicking with him in Cabo & other exotic destinations before ultimately choosing (with great difficulty) a real home and family that Chuck promises.
It also seems like no coincidence that the Castle Crew is at the constant beck and call of General Beckman, always ready to follow her instructions and do her bidding.
Even Shaw’s name contains subtle clues. Its English root traces back to “thicket”, hinting at the initial mystery of his character, while in Scottish the surname derives itself from “wolf”, foreshadowing his ultimate role as a villain in sheep’s clothing.
Hey, found someone else who also thought that Shaw was not quite right and nuts, I found it right from the start of almost seeing him in Beckman s office, to seeing him and "killing" himself, something was just off.
His telling Chuck he dont like guns, really ?
To have "done all" to run Castle, did not fit.
I go to the getting coffee for Sarah, and even Casey, yet never for Chuck. The plane, ya was not good, but agents can and do things alone.
Replace wife with Sarah, yes see sorta, though will give him this, he did/does appear to really love his wife.
I just found the whole of how he could be this "so powerful" in control, and repeating self, in Beckman s office, something in her tone, the way she says something like "its not fair" as he leaves, tone had me wonder if she to thought something was off with him but she was following orders.
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I don't know about that. They way the writers handled it may have been half-assed, but it wasn't out of character. The guy was TOO perfect from the beginning.
Plus, it's nothing compared to the abuse of Morgan, which precipitated the downfall of the show.
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I'm re-watching them at the moment, and I have to admit, the turning of Shaw's character was a little abrupt. On the plus side, they did have a reason for it. It could've been handled better, and worked up to more organically, but at least he didn't turn bad for no reason completely out of the blue.
Having said that, I agree as someone else said, that possibly fan reaction was part of the reason. After the build up of seasons one and two, the love triangle got annoying. I'm still loving every episode, but the first part of season three leading up to Sarah and Chuck finally telling each other how they feel, felt a bit forced after the way they both felt by the end of season 2.
Shaw was an interesting character, but as soon as they had him start to fall for Sarah for the love triangle, it meant his character had to be removed or turn bad at some point. He should have been a more tragic character that remained loyal to his wife, which would've kept it more interesting, perhaps even having Shaw help Chuck get Sarah back by the end of it.