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Pat Tate the reason they were killed??

posted 16 years ago by btownsend8366
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Three Credible people two of whom hung out with the infamous Tate, Tucker, and Rolfe all point the finger at Tate as being the main reason why the trio were killed. If anybody feels differently please voice your opinion

1)According to Bernard O'Mahoney in his book bonded by blood Pat Tate's outta control behavior was the reason why so many people were pissed off with the firm, When Tate went to Jail after the gun was found under his bed, O'Mahoney claims Tucker and Rolfe went back to being a lot more decent or as decent as this pair could be. Bernard also claims Tucker looked up to Tate and his drug use got outta hand went Tate was let out of jail in '94. Carlton Leech backs this up in his book as well.

2)Julian Gibley Director of ROTFS also state's in his director commentary that Tucker and Rolfe took a deep downward spiral once Tate got his hooks into the firm. Tucker's turn towards violence was increased heavily by wanting to put on a show for Tate. Again Gibley Claims Tucker idolized Tate, he was impressed by his Sizs, strength, and ability to pretty much do whatever the *beep* he wanted. and of course Rolfe looked up to both Tucker and Tate.

3) Carlton Leech also backs up the the statements that i've mentioned above in his book Muscle.

It seems clear that if there is no Pat Tate then Tony Tucker and Craig Rolfe may very well still be alive, alot of other people feel that including the families, Tucker and Rolfe might be in jail, but alive.

[–] gunners1987 16 years ago

Pat Tate was a catalyst in his and Tucker and Rolfe's deaths but he wasn't fully to blame he ended up in jail for the guna being found in his bedside drawer in the hospital not his bed as Carlton Leach tell us in Muscle he also says in that book that Tony was a completely different person when not with Tate and Bernard O'Mahoney backs that up in his book Essex Boys.

When Tate and Tucker where together they would do copious amounts of drugs and not care who they hurt Rolfe wasn't a bigger factor as Tucker and Tate he used to get bullied and tortured by Tucker as you should no from Muscle when Pat was in jail Tucker tried to get clean and get his head screwed on but he was drawn back by drugs. Tate has a factor in the deaths but to put the blame on him alone is wrong when it was all 3 of them that ultimatley caused there own deaths by acting the way they did I am not saying they should be dead not in the slightest but the choices they ALL made lead them to Workhouse Lane on 7th Dec 1995 where they were brutally murdered not just Pat Tate.

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[–] btownsend8366 16 years ago

To Julian Gibley hello from America, the movie was on pay per view these past couple of months. Therefore the buzz about the movie is just starting to get across the pond, a lot of people here in america are just now getting to know about the case and movies and books based off Tucker,Leech, Tate, O Mahoney, Rolfe, mark murray, etc. The case is so rich in detail and the characters are so off the rails i would'nt be surprised if O'Mahoney tried to get a movie made from his side of the story.

Awesome Dvd, the loads of extras made it well worth the purchase of 17 dollars.

[–] tracee-garside 16 years ago

Yeah, I have to say, one of the best DVD packages out there - great film, plus really great in-depth special features.

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