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I've never been impressed with Brad Pitt. He's the Kevin Costner of the last couple of decades. I understand his ability to exude star power and magnitude, sure, but that's not the same thing as acting....

So, "Burn After Reading" - he plays a dolt. It was a joy to behold - he was perfectly cast and lived up to the role. I have no idea as to whether the Coens share the same sentiments, probably not - Pitt has good taste in the roles he takes and obviously takes his role as a producer and actor seriously, despite the performance ultimately onscreen. Here, he is essentially milked for that Pitt-essence - the sideways glances at the camera, the utterly self-conscious, off-timed delivery - deliberate or not, it works.

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Pitt was awkwardly hilarious in this movie. You gotta love his character.

IMHO, Pitt's finest acting role was in Kalifornia. So underrated. I can't think of too many actors who could have pulled that one off.

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Haven't seen Kalifornia. But I recently did see "Snatch", and I disliked the film quite a lot but thought Pitt was actually not too bad.

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Pitt's never been my favorite actor, but he's certainly not a bad actor IMO. Malcovich, however, is one of my favorites...but Pitt was fantastic as Chad, and though it was kind of a short role, it was made for him. (It really was...the Coen's wrote it with him in mind). We've never seen him as this character before and it was quite befitting.


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You obviously haven't seen Brad Pitt in 'Fight Club'. Now that is acting.

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I have indeed seen Brad Pitt in 'Fight Club'. All the more reason for that original post to remain.

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Talking of current Hollywood superstars, Cruise and Di Caprio, for instance, are much blander and more limited than Pitt who is hardly a great actor, but ultimately a rather capable one. BAR does probably represent his most enjoyable work, though.



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I tend to champion DiCaprio, but then again I do enjoy Scorsese's recent work more than I know you do :) I do agree that this film represents the "best" work he's ever done - the Coens exploit his doltishness without really being obvious. I think Pitt's smart enough to "get" what is going on here - maybe that's the mark of a good actor, no matter the ultimate quality of the performance - to know how one is useful to the film.

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He seems to excel when playing a bit of a dolt. This, along with stuff like 12 Monkeys or Se7en are what come to mind when considering his best work. His smooth straight-man roles (Mr. & Mrs. Smith, Ocean's series) I find pretty dull.

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Can't say I agree - Brad's "what's in the baaaaax?" stuff at the end of Seven is ridiculous, and 12 Monkeys, despite that film's excellent overall quality, has him playing the lunatic like a frat boy "trying" to be weird. An Oscar nomination for that one?

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He does comedies the best. He has a natural raw talent in this genre. But he lacks dramatic talent. Still there are far worse actors out there. I do find Brad quite good at non serious roles. He shines in comedies. Take True Romance for example. In that very small role he owns that entire two and a half minute scene.

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I'll agree with you there. He doesn't do comedy too often but maybe he should. I liked his sort of "central presence" in Inglorious Basterds because that film was basically a comedy.

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Di Caprio: his work in The Departed is probably the best I have seen from him (of course, coincidentally or not, The Departed is also the only Scorsese film post-2000 I consider truly good); sure, he mostly has this need-to-go-to-the-bathroom-bad expression on his face, but ultimately there´s just enough rawness & authenticity. On the other hand, he´s monumentally miscast in The Aviator and in Sh-tter Island... he´d just kinda there. Just as in Inception. There was ´almost´ something interesting coming off in Revolutionary Road... but still not quite.

Pitt: I don´t really care much for him in Se7en, either - and the thing he does in 12 Monkies, is indeed more like a stunt than acting (compare it to Crispin Glover´s similarly unhinged turn in River´s Edge - there one senses some actual desperation and confusion behind the manic act, but here... Although I guess the comparison is somewhat unfair as Pitt was merely a small supporting player and never even had the time to develop the personality he was portraying). He is rather engaging though in Snatch - in another comedic role - even though I have sort of come to hate the film itself, its so-so desperate attempt to be "hip" at any cost.



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I absolutely agree re: The Departed and DiCaprio. I think his performance is completely overlooked, maybe because of the sheer volume of that A-list cast, but it does represent his best work, I think. I do think it is quite telling that Scorsese didn't cast Pitt, who produced the film. Maybe there were some other reasons, politics or whatnot, but you do almost expect Pitt to turn up, Oceans-style, alongside all these other Alphas.

You know, now that I think about it, Pitt was really a kind of refreshing oasis in the middle of that miserable film, Snatch. I won't even begin to go into the obviousness of Ritchie's style, except that there is no other director out there whose work is so clearly desperate (if he was deliberately *trying* to lampoon "hip", he'd be onto something - but no, he's just jostling for elbow room). I remember he played a gypsy or something, and he was there strictly for laughs, ala Floyd the Stoner, and it worked. Pitt had at least learned a great deal since 12 Monkeys on how subtlety can occasionally work.

The thing about Pitt, is that he has this innate tendency to sideways-glance, like Mike Myers. He's so self-conscious and paranoid when he's onscreen that "acting" takes really a back seat to his trying to *convince*. There's a huge difference. Look at that great scene in BAR in the car with Pitt and Malkovich. What Pitt, under the direction of the Coens, has learned is that he's NOT the Alpha in this scene - Malkovich OWNS every aspect of this - from the characters, the dialogue, AND the surrounding sort of voodoo of the fact that he's clearly the better all-around actor. Malkovich's presence is so effortless, and hilarious, because he doesn't bring any baggage to any scene - it's all about the characters and the dialogue. Pitt has at least learned "his place" in scenes like that - the Brad Pitt of "Sesevenen" wouldn't have been able to pull it off - he had too much to prove in those days, and not the acting chops to back up his ego.

I think Pitt's working with fine directors who decide to give him a break for whatever reason - Tarantino, the Coens, Soderbergh, etc., has helped him to develop into at least a *better* actor. There are some actors in films who long ago figured out their limitations and go ahead with what they're good at doing. Pitt became an A-lister on nothing more than his good looks, let's face it - there isn't any reason otherwise why this guy shouldn't be relegated to certain supporting roles ala Burn After Reading as a regular job. The sort of white-elephant comic hilarity of his role in this film is the fact that he's BRAD PITT playing a total dork. The Coens eagerly exploited that fact - they didn't *need* Pitt for the financial backing the way Tarantino might have for IB. They self-consciously took one of the biggest stars in the country and, maybe even a little cruelly, put him in a role that suits his acting chops. But, again, Pitt seems to "get it" on some level - he exhibits a humility and understanding that really does work here! If Hollywood was a just and ethical place, Pitt would have been relegated to roles like this long ago.

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"The Departed is also the only Scorsese film post-2000 I consider truly good"

You didn't care for GANGS OF NEW YORK?

I don't think he was miscast at all in THE AVIATOR, in fact I couldn't stand DiCaprio until I saw THE AVIATOR. For me, it was a brilliant performance, his best in my opinion and also what Leo himself said he considers to be his best performance too.

After THE AVIATOR I went back and watched GANGS OF NY and CATCH ME IF YOU CAN, two films I avoided because of the fact Leo was in them. He isn't very good in GONY, that Irish accent comes and goes. And when you put Leo next to DDL, it's like putting Clint Eastwood next to Marlon Brando in the 1960's or 1970's, you're not going to look good next to a DDL or a Brando unless you're ready for it and Leo wasn't yet. The Brando's, Nicholson's and DDL's will make you perform better most of the time but if you're not on your game you will be buried.

CATCH ME IF YOU CAN was a brilliant performance. Possible Oscar snub there. He took Tom Hanks to acting school.

SHUTTER ISLAND was a film I enjoyed a lot and I enjoyed Leo's performance as always. I don't see how he was miscast in that film either.

REVOLUTIONARY ROAD was an unbelievable performance and I don't think he missed the mark. His exchange with Michael Shannon at the dinner table was enough for me, "Not well my ass" LOL and his shock at the end when he realizes that Winslet self aborted their unborn child. Oscar snub #2 or 3 after not nominating him in at least the supporting category for THE DEPARTED and a possible snub for CMIYC.

His biggest miscasting in my opinion, is his work in J. Edgar. You just don't get the essence that Leo is playing a man 20-25 years older than he is now. And when he aged in THE AVIATOR I bought it, every minute of it. Like James Dean aging in GIANT. But in J. Edgar he just kind of plays Leo caked in bad make-up.

INCEPTION was INCEPTION, nothing great going on there. BODY OF LIES saw good performances by Leo and Crowe, but it was such a boring film, that you just wanted it to end. At least that's how I felt in the theater.

The biggest Oscar snub of all is DJANGO UNCHAINED. I could not believe they f'd him again. I'll never get over this snub.

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As for PITT, 12 monkeys was directed by Terry Gilliam, not a director who leaves comedy at the front door. He wanted that Pitt character to be funny, out of his mind, comic relief. It was written that way. Anybody who wants to view the script, download it and try and picture delivering that dialogue and following the stage direction without a comedic tone.

Pitt was brilliant in SE7EN, I could watch it everyday. He's such a visual actor, which Tarantino remarked on. Not his looks but just what Pitt does physically on screen is as close to James Dean that we've gotten, though Dean was a much more talented dramatic actor.

Pitt's best performance is his portrayl of an everlasting character named Tyler Durden in FIGHT CLUB, today the Academy is allowing all kinds of performances in but back in 1999 this film was probably too commercial and certainly too cool for the Academy voters. But Pitt was at his best and certainly looked his best. It's the coolest performance possibly ever, at least since Dean in Rebel back in 1955 and Pitt does use a lot of comedy in it but most of it was his preparation for this role. He really invented a character. He didn't just show up, get in wardrobe, spike that hair up like a crazy man and walk to set. He put thought into Tyler Durden and when actors do that, it's always a performance that is great, for example, Ledger in The Dark Knight, Depp in Pirates, DDL in anything and plenty more.

I think Pitt uses comedy the same way he uses his physical ability to be always charismatic no matter what he is doing. It's just another tool that makes Pitt not just a pretty face, but a real great actor. MONEYBALL, JESSE JAMES, TREE OF LIFE, LEGENDS OF THE FALL, all different performances but all great and dramatic.

This is your life and it's ending one minute at a time. - Fight Club

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