Obviously you didn't follow the evolution of this thread. If you did, then you would see my point. I'll explain further, if you need me to.
Let's see...
It starts with you spreading the wrong notion that The crew is what irks people the most about Bear Grylls and MvW.
When people reply to your post, you go berserk. Dropping off names that have little relevance to the topic at hand. Claiming that words that have come straight from Bear Grylls' mouth don't count.
Then you go into "Super Villain Rant mode" (You know, when a Villain has the hero trapped in some death machine and the villain starts a long-winded speech in which he reveals his evil master plan to the hero, but in reality is just an excuse for the villain to hear his own voice.)and started that Speck on Space speech. It would've been fine if you stopped after that, but then you tried to "win" the arguement with the snobbish "Yeah, that's what I thought". Because nobody replied to your little off-topic speech. And we've landed on your new rant.
But like I've said before, I can't waste much more time on these boards proving the facts again. I've been doing so for the past 2 or 3 generations of Bear-haters. I respect Bear and enjoy his shows and surviving expertise, but all of that pleasure is not worth another round of day-by-day theses explaining all of the misconceptions about Bear and his show that have been perpetuated on the internet. It's sad, but most people think because they see a few vids on YouTube and an article or two bashing Bear that they have found the "proof" they need to tear Bear down. For most it all stems from a jealousy issue with Bear, but not all. Some aren't threatened by him, per say, but they still latch on to the Bear-hater bandwagon and think they know what they're talking about.
I guess that this is not on the IMDB... Cause all you've got here is: This thread, the Bear's Been injured=Uber Badass, Bear injuried in antartica, and Can you eat tree leaves if you're starving?
Misconceptions!? THE FRIGGING FIRST SEASON OF THE SHOW had to be RE-EDITED with SCENES CUT OUT and NEW VOICEOVERS explaining SOME THINGS that were PORTRAYED DIFFERENTLY on the episodes.
When the whole "Bear is a fake, he slept in hotels" news broke I fully bought into all of the dogma preached on message boards and video sites. But when I had the fortune of meeting Man vs. Wild staff, speaking to the BBC producer and looking at the facts of the show it's just easy to realize that Bear's skills as a survivalist hold extremely true to form. Not to bash on other survivalists, but just simply realizing that Bear is as versatile and competent as any of the best survivors out there - that's my role on thee boards.
Um, How come Born Survivor (Man Vs. Wild)is not listed under any programs from the BBC?
At least
this time you're not trying to turn Les Stroud into the biggest wuss in the universe.
The problem is that no one believed people on the internet. And rightly so - there are a lot of dishonest and suspicious characters on the internet. So me just saying "I've had behind-the-scenes knowledge.", "I've spoke with crew and publicists.", etc. won't cut it. And I'm not going to go through the extreme efforts in trying to prove my points. It's just honestly not worth it. So I use words. And if people don't want to believe what I have to say (and since "video evidence" on YouTube is so much more "convincing") it really becomes a chore to keep up with the logic. I just don't have the time or desire to keep convincing people who would rather cling to what seems like a high perch to deride from than to look at the facts presented by on-the-ground sources.
Then, since you're so "close" with the crew and have "behind-the scenes access" ask them what's the deal with the re-edited and re-cut episodes and don't forget to ask if you can eat leaves when starving.
So, that was the point of my "soliloquy" (??? Do people know what a soliloquy is? If so, you'd realize it wasn't a soliloquy - I was obviously DIRECTLY referencing others around me, not talking to myself). Just to show that it all really doesn't make much sense. It all really isn't worth it. The world keeps spinning and the facts remain as they are, whether or not a few haters on here are convinced or not. And I really don't care if they're not anymore.
Nope, no point there...
Soliloquy: an utterance or discourse by a person who is talking to himself or herself or is disregardful of or oblivious to any hearers present (often used as a device in drama to disclose a character's innermost thoughts)
a (usually long) dramatic speech intended to give the illusion of unspoken reflections
Hmm! sounds similar to:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0883772/board/nest/126830722?d=127030077#1 27030077 except for the first line... which is the only part really addressed to other members.
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I can't wait for Michael Bay to direct Care Bears. Using real bears so it can be more realistic.
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superstringy
16 years ago
"Hmm! sounds similar to:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0883772/board/nest/126830722?d=127030077#1 27030077 except for the first line... which is the only part really addressed to other members."
I need to comment on this because it's soooooooo full of it. Can you read, Doc? Can you COUNT the half dozen times which I said "we" and the many times I said "you"? How can you possibly be so out of touch that after reading that you can still claim that the first line was the "only part" which was addressed to other members? It causes me to totally doubt your ability to critically read anything at all.
And the last topic I'd like to settle is the whole BBC vs. Channel 4 issue. I quote the BBC because they are truly the force behind Channel 4. Channel 4 (which is the station that airs Man vs. Wild, or as you should probably better know it - Born Survivor) is a commercially self-funded network. However it's an essentially publicly owned station. And who is the #1 contributor to Channel 4's funding. Yeah, the BBC. For all intents and purposes the BBC has a major impact on the development and production of the majority of programming on Channel 4. So before you go accusing me of getting my facts mixed up do a little research yourself. If you think wikipedia is going to give you all you need to make a claim, think again.
So now that that is settled (though I can already hear people planning their rebuttals) I'll just go on to say...
I apologize if some of my posts seemed a bit scattered at times. I did my best to keep my posts as coherent as possible, but if it seemed I "bounced around" a tad it was probably because tapping out a comment while eating a bowl of cereal in the morning whilst being attacked from four or five other users was a bit beyond the scope of my desire. Typically for every one post I made there was 3+ responses. Was I going to reply to each one individually? No, sorry. I don't care that much. I've been there and done that to many-a-Bear disliker. And to be honest, the claims against Bear were often just re-hashing of what I've heard a thousand times over from the generations prior who thought they've finally exposed Bear. And where are those people now? They've either conceded or moved on because they realized they couldn't honestly defend their points of view. And so many of you continue to fight the fight. That's fine. You're entitled and good luck - and I don't mean that sarcastically. I mean it.
I just know many of the claims against Bear are false. Some are true, of course. Just not to the degree everyone on here claims. And I can't spend another minute on here explaining why. I've got to live life, you know? Everyone has their own views and who am I to change them? Sometimes it's fun to debate, but when it turns to banging your head against a wall it's charm ceases.
Best of luck to all of you. It's been fun. I'll go my way, you yours. You'll see me on these boards occasionally discussing Bear. But for the most part I'm "retiring". I hope you have fun trying to convince others of your views - a healthy debate never hurts anyone. Just keep it objective and stick to the facts and there's no harm done.
Cheers.
ANAGah.
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Doc_ock_4mugen
16 years ago
The speech had a couple of WE but it seemed more like:
a (usually long) dramatic speech intended to give the illusion of unspoken reflections.
one of the definitons for soliloquy. Do you understand? The only part addressed to the other posters was OK you win part. The rest of the post was the window into your thoughts about humanity.
By the Way I used the search engines from BOTH Channel 4 and BBC offical websites for my Born Survivor/Man vs Wild... Curiously enough, On the BBC website the search results for Born Survivor The FIRST Bear Grylls related link was to the BEAR=FAKE news article...
It happens, one's got to eat... but that is not an excuse for your writing, neither is saying that you don't care... If you really didn't care yuo would've let this topic die before the Cosmic Speech... Here's the funny thing... I love The show. I think that Bear is a really cool guy, BUT I DISLIKE the excessive way in which some people defend him. There is faked stuff... He does his stunts under the supervision of experts and there is a network of "safety nets" to avoid Bear's death. But some people here run off their mouths (no offense sstringy) and claim that Bear's the ULTIMATE Human... bordering on Superhuman... almost like the Internet versions of Chuck Norris, Vin Diesel, and Mr. T... combined... yet that's not even enough to reach Bear's awesomeness... You know the type of fan that I'm talking about... the one that gives beinga fan of Bear a bad name...
It's been fun... But I still won and you recognized my victory... Before the Cosmic rant ;P
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I can't wait for Michael Bay to direct Care Bears. Using real bears so it can be more realistic.
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